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13:44:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:44:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:44:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:44:54 <trackbot> Date: 04 May 2016
13:45:08 <allanj> Chair: JimA and AWK
14:04:24 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:24 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
14:04:30 <shawn> present+ shawn
14:04:41 <allanj> present+ jim
14:05:52 <shawn> shawn has changed the topic to: Please complete Doodle poll on meeting change time! http://doodle.com/poll/c4fmsfgsy2b48fsk
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14:26:39 <allanj> Agenda+ Meeting time and dates
14:26:48 <allanj> Agenda+ Gap Analysis
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14:29:25 <laura> I may be a few minutes late. Finals week here.
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14:31:52 <shawn> +1 for valign top!
14:32:43 <shawn> present+ ScottM, AWK, JohnRochford
14:33:25 <allanj> present+ Wayne
14:34:22 <ScottM> Hey, on Ira again as I am in a noisy place
14:34:35 <ScottM> Irc rather
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14:35:05 <shawn> s/Hey, on Ira again as I am in a noisy place/Hey, on IRC again as I am in a noisy place
14:35:11 <shawn> s/Irc rather/
14:35:23 <AWK> Scribe: AWK
14:35:44 <shawn> doodle poll: http://doodle.com/poll/c4fmsfgsy2b48fsk
14:35:49 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
14:35:50 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
14:35:50 <Zakim> 1. Meeting time and dates [from allanj]
14:35:50 <Zakim> 2. Gap Analysis [from allanj]
14:35:57 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
14:35:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Meeting time and dates" taken up [from allanj]
14:36:11 <AWK> JA: Poll has one time that works for everyone
14:36:29 <shawn> ThursdayProposed new meeting time: Thursdays 10:00-11:30C/11:00-12:30E
14:36:58 <shawn> Proposed new meeting time: Thursdays 8:00-9:30P/10:00-11:30C/11:00-12:30E
14:39:34 <ScottM> I just filled it out
14:40:10 <ScottM> Sounds like I need to move to the east coast :)
14:40:12 <AWK> JA: We need to edit our poll responses to indicate availability for half-hour increments
14:40:25 <laura> present+ Laura
14:41:31 <AWK> The poll indicates specific data but people should answer with regard to their schedule in general
14:45:41 <shawn> Proposed new meeting time: Thursdays 8:00-9:30P/10:00-11:30C/11:00-12:30E
14:46:06 <shawn> starting next week - 12 May
14:46:45 <AWK> RESOLUTION: New meeting time is Thursdays at 8:00-9:30PT/10:00-11:30CT/11:00-12:30ET
14:46:58 <AWK> Zakim, take up next item
14:46:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Gap Analysis" taken up [from allanj]
14:47:15 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
14:48:08 <AWK> JA: Need to start getting the picture of how the LV user needs are addressed or not in WCAG and UAAG
14:48:30 <AWK> q+ to suggest that ATAG isn't needed in this document
14:48:40 <AWK> ack AWK
14:48:40 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to suggest that ATAG isn't needed in this document
14:49:39 <allanj> awk: is ATAG needed, or clutter up document. specifying content creation, LVTF concern with rendering
14:50:17 <AWK> JA: only found one SC from ATAG, fine with removing.  Others?
14:50:22 <Wayne> +1
14:50:33 <AWK> Laura says fine with it
14:50:37 <AWK> JA: will remove
14:52:05 <AWK> AWK will review in the next few days
14:52:28 <AWK> JA: perhaps we can tackle 5 per week and have a fine-grained discussion on them
14:53:25 <AWK> TOPIC: 3.1.1
14:53:54 <AWK> JA: Couldn't find anything in WCAG and only 1 in UAAG
14:54:13 <AWK> UAAG was specific to video
14:54:38 <AWK> TOPIC: 3.1.2
14:56:58 <AWK> TOPIC 3.1.1
14:57:03 <allanj> awk: how do we adjust brightness in browser or content
14:57:16 <AWK> SLH: a hardware issue?
14:57:22 <AWK> WD: not necessarily
14:58:39 <AWK> TOPIC: 3.1.2
14:59:13 <AWK> AWK: Need to add a note to indicate that this is an expansion of the WCAG requirements
15:00:32 <AWK> WD: Seems like partial wrt WCAG
15:00:41 <AWK> JA: I'll add levels also
15:01:47 <JohnRochford> +1 to adding A classifications
15:05:38 <Wayne> AWK: Need a note to indicate that 3.1.2 is not fully met by 1.4.3 and 1.4.6. These are minimums and do not enable choice.
15:06:14 <ScottM> People seem to largely ignore AAA so for most real world situations it might as well not exist but it is important for many people
15:06:34 <AWK> AWK: Thinks that we should split out the "full/partial coverage" into separate WCAG and UAAG columns
15:06:44 <Wayne> ...: We are trying to meet a greater numbers of needs. They are trying to meet the same need, but we want to do a more inclusive statement.
15:08:41 <AWK> JA: Will write notes related to this in the page
15:08:46 <AWK> TOPIC: 3.1.3
15:11:25 <AWK> Will update 3.1.3 to point to only 1.4.1 and indicate fully covered
15:11:32 <AWK> TOPIC 3.2.1
15:13:16 <Wayne> AWK: 3.2.1 extends 1.4.8 (WCAG).  It simply eliminates horizontal scrolling.
15:13:41 <AWK> JA: so there's a gap
15:14:03 <AWK> TOPIC 3.2.2
15:14:38 <AWK> not addressed by WCAG
15:14:51 <AWK> UAAG does address
15:15:33 <AWK> TOPIC 3.2.3
15:16:33 <Wayne> 1.8.15 Linearize Content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-specified formatting of columns, tables, and positioning. (Level AA)
15:17:55 <AWK> AWK: what do we mean by block of text?  What if a page has 3 columns?
15:18:23 <ScottM> The columns should reflow logically
15:19:11 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:19:11 <Zakim> Present: shawn, jim, ScottM, AWK, JohnRochford, Wayne, Laura
15:19:29 <allanj> ja: what is "block of text"
15:19:57 <allanj> awk: wcag - more than 1 sentence
15:20:05 <Wayne> Note: Blocks of text consider text. Div, regions, ...
15:20:35 <AWK> AWK: If there is an assumption of linearizing columns this makes more sense
15:20:54 <allanj> +1 to linearize
15:21:19 <AWK> WD: Should be talking about setting a global em size?
15:21:52 <AWK> SLH: perhaps that this is achievable by changing window size
15:22:26 <AWK> WD: In HTML/CSS terms a person may want a maximum number of characters on a line (ems)
15:24:38 <AWK> SLH: so do we want to specify that 3.2.3 can be met by linearizing and resizing the window, or by using CSS to set maximum widths?
15:25:49 <shawn> ACTION: Shawn in User Need doc, edit 3.2.3 Line Length to address issues from 4 May 2016 telecon
15:25:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - In user need doc, edit 3.2.3 line length to address issues from 4 may 2016 telecon [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-05-11].
15:26:00 <JohnRochford> Gotta go folks
15:26:37 <AWK> AWK: is 3.2.3 necessarily linked to linearization of columns?
15:27:35 <Wayne> AWK: Line length in the context of multi column pages may not be requied, but line lentht make sense in the context of leniarized with one column.
15:27:46 <AWK> There is a definite gap relative to 1.4.8
15:28:06 <AWK> TOPIC: 3.2.4
15:28:11 <AWK> Nothing in WCAG for this
15:31:22 <ScottM> You are either going to have to hyphenate or at worst horizontal scrolling
15:31:49 <AWK> trackbot, end meeting
15:31:49 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:31:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shawn, jim, ScottM, AWK, JohnRochford, Wayne, Laura
15:31:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:31:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
15:31:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:31:58 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-lvtf-actions.rdf :
15:31:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shawn in User Need doc, edit 3.2.3 Line Length to address issues from 4 May 2016 telecon [1]
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