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18:45:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:45:10 <trackbot> Date: 03 May 2016
18:45:32 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:46:18 <clown> agenda: this
18:46:24 <clown> agenda+ Administration:  Joseph away for the next two weeks -- meeting?
18:46:33 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-2043 (Joseph/Cynthia) Review UIA mapping of role="status".
18:46:40 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1025/ACTION-2054 (All) Reminder re: mappings for new values of aria-haspopup.
18:46:51 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1569 (Cynthia/Jason/Joseph) Section that describes AAPI differences -- latest suggestions from Jason.
18:46:59 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Quick checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI.
18:47:08 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1668 (All) Use IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK and ROLE_LANDMARK (ATK) for role="form".
18:47:15 <clown> agenda+ Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23 (start with ACTION-1409)
18:47:21 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:47:28 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:47:35 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:47:41 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:56:55 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:00:27 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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19:04:17 <joanie> regrets+ Richard_Schwerdtfeger
19:04:34 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
19:06:13 <joanie> scribe: joanie
19:07:31 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:07:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Administration:  Joseph away for the next two weeks -- meeting?" taken up [from clown]
19:07:45 <joanie> JS: I'm not here for the next two weeks.
19:07:51 <joanie> JS: If you want to meet, you can do so.
19:07:57 <joanie> JS: Is there any interest in meeting?
19:08:08 <joanie> BG: I don't think it would be especially productive.
19:08:19 <joanie> JS: Rich is driven since he wants to get ARIA 1.1 out.
19:08:33 <joanie> present+ Cynthia_Shelly
19:08:45 <joanie> JS: Do you want to chair, Cynthia? :)
19:08:56 <joanie> CS: I'm pretty busy these days.
19:09:21 <joanie> JS: So I'll send out an email saying no meeting the next two weeks.
19:09:34 <joanie> JS: If you change your mind, contact Michael to set up WebEx.
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19:09:55 <joanie> JS: So the next meeting will be on May 24th.
19:10:07 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:10:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-2043 (Joseph/Cynthia) Review UIA mapping of role="status"." taken up [from clown]
19:10:12 <clown> action-2043?
19:10:12 <trackbot> action-2043 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify UIA mapping of role="status" -- due 2016-03-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:10:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2043
19:10:19 <joanie> JS: This has gone through one set of reviews.
19:10:31 <joanie> CS: Didn't we talk about this last week?
19:10:44 <joanie> JS: We talked about it two weeks ago.
19:11:03 <joanie> JS: You wanted to make the localized control type be status.
19:11:04 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-status
19:11:06 <joanie> JS: I made that change.
19:11:15 <joanie> JS: The URL above has the update.
19:11:24 <joanie> s/You wanted/Cynthia wanted/
19:12:32 <clown> 	•	Control Type: Group
19:12:33 <clown> 	•	Localized Control Type: status
19:12:33 <clown> 	•	LiveSettingProperty = Polite (1)
19:12:37 <joanie> JS: I'll copy the full text (above)
19:13:36 <joanie> JD: We need to do something similar for ATK and IA2 I bet.
19:13:45 <joanie> CS: This looks fine for my platform.
19:13:53 <joanie> JS: I think there's an issue in github for this.
19:14:01 <joanie> CS: Yes, I opened one.
19:14:17 <joanie> JS: We'll wait until things settle down to have that discussion.
19:14:49 <joanie> JS: I will close action-2043.
19:14:52 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:14:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-1025/ACTION-2054 (All) Reminder re: mappings for new values of aria-haspopup." taken up [from clown]
19:15:02 <clown> action-2054?
19:15:02 <trackbot> action-2054 -- Matthew King to Expand aria-haspopup to support a token list of values -- due 2016-04-28 -- OPEN
19:15:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2054
19:15:22 <joanie> JS: I know that Matt King has put forth a proposal for aria-haspopup.
19:15:27 <joanie> JS: I think it's reached CfC.
19:15:30 <joanie> CS: It has.
19:15:39 <clown> issue-540
19:15:39 <trackbot> issue-540 -- Should the UAIG have a section to describe the API differences -- open
19:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/540
19:15:39 <joanie> JS: I think on Thursday it will go through.
19:15:44 <joanie> JS: So we'll need mappings.
19:15:54 <clown> issue-1025
19:15:54 <trackbot> issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated type values for aria-haspopup -- open
19:15:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025
19:16:04 <clown> action-1026
19:16:04 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1026 does not exist.
19:16:16 <clown> action-2056
19:16:16 <trackbot> action-2056 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-05-17 -- OPEN
19:16:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
19:16:27 <joanie> JS: Rich has an action to coordinate the mappings for this.
19:16:31 <joanie> JS: He'll be contacting you.
19:16:49 <joanie> JS: So it's a reminder.
19:17:02 <joanie> CS: I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have anywhere to map it.
19:17:12 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
19:17:18 <joanie> JS: Not even in ARIA properties?
19:17:28 <joanie> CS: It will be in ARIA properties, but that's not a real mapping.
19:17:39 <joanie> CS: What we do now is use the expand/collapse pattern.
19:17:43 <joanie> CS: I'll keep looking.
19:17:53 <joanie> JS: I wonder what AXAPI is going to do.
19:18:06 <joanie> JS: I think ATK and MSAA will use the object attribute technique.
19:18:32 <joanie> JD: Confirmed.
19:18:35 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:18:35 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-1569 (Cynthia/Jason/Joseph) Section that describes AAPI differences -- latest suggestions from Jason." taken up [from clown]
19:18:44 <clown> action-1569?
19:18:44 <trackbot> action-1569 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a section that describes AAPI differences -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
19:18:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1569
19:18:59 <joanie> JS: I had sent email to Jason Kiss a while back about the API differences section.
19:19:30 <joanie> JS: He replied that he has some minor suggestions for the UIA content, which Cynthia wrote.
19:19:38 <joanie> JS: I forwarded Cynthia the email.
19:19:46 <clown> Fwd: Re: Section of Core-AAM that describes AAPI differences (ACTION-1569)
19:20:26 <joanie> JS: Essentially, he wants to capitalize some technical terms.
19:20:27 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#uia
19:20:30 <joanie> CS: That's fine.
19:21:05 <joanie> JS: Special font or just capitalized?
19:21:12 <joanie> JS: Capitalized is fine.
19:22:08 <joanie> JS: I will try to do this by the end of the week so we can close this out.
19:22:33 <joanie> JS: If I make this change, can I just close the action?
19:22:36 <joanie> CS: Yes.
19:22:50 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:22:50 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ACTION-1409 (Joanie) Quick checkin: Add group position interface to ATK/AT-SPI." taken up [from clown]
19:22:58 <joanie> JD: Thanks for the ping. :)
19:22:58 <clown> action-1409?
19:22:58 <trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position, level, and other api be added (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
19:22:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1409
19:23:39 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:23:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, joanie
19:23:45 <joanie> Zakim, close this action
19:23:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close this action', joanie
19:23:58 <joanie> Zakim, close this item
19:23:58 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
19:23:59 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:23:59 <Zakim> 6. ACTION-1668 (All) Use IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK and ROLE_LANDMARK (ATK) for role="form". [from clown]
19:24:03 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:24:03 <Zakim> agendum 6. "ACTION-1668 (All) Use IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK and ROLE_LANDMARK (ATK) for role="form"." taken up [from clown]
19:24:04 <clown> action-1668?
19:24:04 <trackbot> action-1668 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add a ia2_role_landmark to ia2. this will tell ats to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:24:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1668
19:24:15 <joanie> JS: I have a question about this one.
19:24:20 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form
19:24:34 <joanie> JS: Rich had a dialog with Alex about the IA2 mapping of the role form.
19:24:45 <joanie> JS: Alex accepted mapping it as a landmark.
19:24:54 <joanie> JS: And use the xml-roles object attribute.
19:25:04 <joanie> JS: This makes the mapping consistent with the other landmarks.
19:25:12 <joanie> JS: So I've done it. I think I can close it now.
19:25:33 <joanie> JS: Last week we discussed whether the WebAim folks thought the form element should be treated as a landmark.
19:26:03 <joanie> JS: One other thing I've done is because the landmark roles have all changed drastically, I've put an ARIA 1.1 tag by each landmark.
19:26:03 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-banner
19:26:17 <joanie> JS: For instance, if you look at banner (above), you'll see the ARIA 1.1 tag.
19:26:34 <joanie> JS: I think we'll need to test the landmark roles for 1.1 due to the changes.
19:26:43 <joanie> JS: And this tag will help me find them.
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19:26:48 <joanie> JS: Any objections?
19:26:54 <joanie> Group: None.
19:27:10 <joanie> JS: It doesn't mean the role was introduced in 1.1; just that we need to retest.
19:27:18 <clown> action-1668
19:27:18 <trackbot> action-1668 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add a ia2_role_landmark to ia2. this will tell ats to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks -- due 2015-07-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:27:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1668
19:27:22 <joanie> JS: Can I now close this action?
19:28:02 <joanie> JD: Was the mapping of ATK made consistent with IA2?
19:28:04 <clown> ROLE_LANDMARK + object attribute xml-roles:form
19:28:32 <joanie> JS: Yes. It's above.
19:28:43 <joanie> JS: Hearing no objections to closing this action....
19:29:02 <joanie> JS: Closed.
19:29:07 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:29:07 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Triage actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23 (start with ACTION-1409)" taken up [from clown]
19:29:13 <joanie> JS: Triage!
19:29:30 <clown> action-980?
19:29:30 <trackbot> action-980 -- Cynthia Shelly to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
19:29:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
19:29:35 <joanie> JS: A new one (action-980).
19:29:52 <joanie> JS: Cynthia, this is the section that describes and defines managed states.
19:29:57 <joanie> CS: Give me another two weeks.
19:30:29 <joanie> action-1533
19:30:29 <trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
19:30:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
19:30:29 <clown> action-1533?
19:30:30 <trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2016-03-15 -- OPEN
19:30:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
19:30:43 <joanie> JS: So, Joanie, how's this coming?
19:31:29 <joanie> JD: I'm busy this week, but plan to start on it next week.
19:31:47 <joanie> JD: Extend two weeks please.
19:33:08 <joanie> CS: Were you going to look at IA2 and Mac as well?
19:33:26 <joanie> JD: Not entirely sure yet. I need to start with my platform firest, of course. But I'll try.
19:34:08 <joanie> s/firest/first/
19:34:12 <clown> action-1593
19:34:12 <trackbot> action-1593 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compare implementations of AAPI managed states and look for gaps. -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
19:34:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1593
19:34:40 <clown> issue-706
19:34:40 <trackbot> issue-706 -- Describe/define AAPI managed states -- open
19:34:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/706
19:35:05 <joanie> CS: This seems like a duplicate of the earlier managed-states action.
19:35:19 <joanie> CS: There may have originally been a distinction, but I don't recall what it is.
19:35:26 <joanie> JS: I'll close this one out as a duplicate then.
19:35:37 <joanie> JS: The other one is action-980, right?
19:35:42 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:36:21 <clown> action-1681?
19:36:22 <trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2016-04-12 -- OPEN
19:36:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
19:36:36 <joanie> JS: I've been trying to do this.
19:36:41 <joanie> JS: I've started, but not finished.
19:36:47 <joanie> JS: I hope to be finished by the end of the week.
19:37:06 <joanie> JS: I'm glad I have Rich's section to point to, but Matt has raised some issues.
19:37:26 <joanie> JS: So I'm going to postpone it for three weeks (one week after I get back).
19:37:41 <clown> action-1686
19:37:41 <trackbot> action-1686 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Drive mapping of aria-errormessage to aapis -- due 2015-07-23 -- OPEN
19:37:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1686
19:37:43 <joanie> JS: We have a bunch of errormessage actions.
19:38:14 <clown> action-1692
19:38:14 <trackbot> action-1692 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
19:38:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1692
19:38:53 <joanie> JD: Aren't we stalled on this?
19:39:03 <joanie> JD: I had proposed new relation types.
19:39:15 <joanie> JD: But then in subsequent discussion, things seemed to have stalled.
19:39:23 <joanie> JD: This is on the IA2 list.
19:40:15 <joanie> JS: It's also on the ARIA list.
19:40:27 <joanie> JS: The most recent discussion was in April.
19:40:33 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Apr/0132.html
19:40:40 <joanie> JS: I think it's the message at the above URL.
19:40:48 <joanie> JS: (Reads from message)
19:41:29 <joanie> CS: I can talk about how we do our error messages which are built into the browser.
19:41:46 <joanie> CS: We have a separate accessible object and a controller-for.
19:41:55 <joanie> CS: And the message is exposed through the help text.
19:42:23 <joanie> CS: So it's both a linked-to object and a descriptive string.
19:42:34 <joanie> CS: Help text is whatever is in the tooltip.
19:42:51 <joanie> JS: I don't see a UIA action for errormessage.
19:42:55 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaErrorMessage
19:42:57 <joanie> JS: Maybe we completed it.
19:43:08 <joanie> JS: Yes, the mapping for UIA is above.
19:43:52 <clown> UIA aria-errormessage mapping:  "Expose pointer to the target accessible object using ControllerFor property."
19:45:20 <joanie> JD: Should the mapping include exposing the string via your help text attribute?
19:45:31 <joanie> CS: I'm ok with it being a SHOULD; not a MUST.
19:46:41 <joanie> JS: Do you want to add anything to the UIA mapping, or leave it as it is?
19:46:47 <joanie> CS: I'm fine with leaving it as it is.
19:46:58 <joanie> JS: I guess we're stuck with the other platforms.
19:47:16 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaControls
19:50:08 <joanie> JD: I think ATK is blocked on IA2's mapping because a number of people want ATK and IA2 to be parallel whenever possible.
19:54:27 <joanie> Group: Discusses and reads specs and API docs on "controls" and "controller".
19:55:15 <joanie> JD + JS: This seems like controls/controller do not quite fit here.
19:55:31 <joanie> JD: We can propose this to Jamie, but I don't think he'll embrace this mapping.
19:56:33 <joanie> JS: Should we bring this up to the group on Thursday first?
19:56:36 <joanie> JD: Fine with me.
19:56:48 <joanie> JS: I'll leave these items as red so they come up next time.
19:57:06 <clown> action-1695
19:57:06 <trackbot> action-1695 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose UIA mapping for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:57:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695
19:57:33 <joanie> CS: I did this a while ago.
19:58:15 <joanie> JS: (Reads from action)
19:58:36 <joanie> JS: So what is the mapping if I were to write it out?
19:59:22 <joanie> CS: AcceleratorKey is the best mapping for now.
20:03:09 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:03:09 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly
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