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14:48:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:48:40 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2016
14:48:54 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/DCA57555-8379-4BC7-BCFF-CA7417D474B2@gmail.com
14:49:10 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda telco 2016-05-02: http://www.w3.org/mid/DCA57555-8379-4BC7-BCFF-CA7417D474B2@gmail.com
14:49:21 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:49:48 <ivan> Regrets+ Ayla, Heather, Daniel, Vlad, Jean
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14:59:11 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
14:59:14 <dauwhe> present+ dauwhe
14:59:29 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
14:59:35 <ShaneM> present+
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15:00:58 <mgylling> present+ Markus_Gylling
15:01:28 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
15:01:40 <astearns> present+ astearns
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15:02:37 <brady_duga> present+ duga
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15:02:55 <dauwhe> mgylling: major topic today is annotations
15:03:00 <laudrain> present+ Luc Audrain
15:03:02 <dauwhe> ... but rob is stuck in traffic
15:03:15 <dauwhe> ... tim, ivan... is this a reason to reschedule?
15:03:23 <dauwhe> ivan: I think we can manage
15:03:32 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: can we move it to the end?
15:03:35 <dauwhe> mgylling: sure
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15:03:51 <dauwhe> ... OK. Let's do everything else first
15:03:57 <mgylling>  https://www.w3.org/2016/04/25-DPUB-minutes.html
15:03:58 <dauwhe> ... minutes from last week
15:04:05 <dauwhe> ... any objections to approving?
15:04:21 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved.
15:04:40 <dauwhe> ... it's conference season. Next week many of us will be in Chicago for IDPF
15:04:48 <dauwhe> ... so I suggest we cancel the meeting on the 9th
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15:05:02 <dauwhe> ... and there's another conference in Stockholm the next week
15:05:03 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
15:05:13 <lrosenth> present+ Leonard
15:05:15 <dauwhe> ... let's wait on deciding about the 16th
15:05:17 <pkra> present+ Peter Krautzberger.
15:05:24 <ivan> Regrets+ Tzviya
15:05:33 <dauwhe> ... we should be back to normal week of May 23
15:05:45 <dauwhe> ... which is the week of the virtual F2F
15:05:52 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2016_Virtual_F2F
15:05:54 <dauwhe> ... so we need to work on the agenda for the virtual F2F
15:06:25 <dauwhe> ... so let's spend some time on this
15:06:38 <dauwhe> ... they are sometimes great and sometimes not
15:07:01 <dauwhe> ... which topics are most critical to cover?
15:07:18 <dauwhe> ... we've already mentioned documents that are nearly finished
15:07:29 <dauwhe> ... Charles, Deborah, and their team finished the a11y note
15:07:39 <ivan> q+
15:07:45 <dauwhe> ... the main topic would be the use cases collection
15:07:51 <dauwhe> ... are there other things we should add?
15:07:52 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:08:00 <dauwhe> ivan: on the previous comment
15:08:08 <dauwhe> ... I've made a new version of the pwp draft
15:08:23 <dauwhe> ... which merged with locator work and jettisoned the use cases
15:08:30 <dauwhe> ... it's on a separate branch
15:08:37 <dauwhe> ... if you think it's ok I can merge
15:08:45 <dauwhe> ... or I can merge now then respond to issues
15:08:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: is this a f2f topic?
15:08:58 <dauwhe> ivan: no, this is about documents
15:09:14 <mgylling> q?
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15:09:47 <dauwhe> ivan: I think that the use case document is the absolutely highest priority document
15:09:51 <cmaden21> cmaden21 has joined #dpub
15:09:58 <dauwhe> ... i don't mind if this is the only topic
15:10:01 <cmaden21> +present Chris_Maden
15:10:02 <dauwhe> mgylling: i agree
15:10:10 <dauwhe> ivan: we can talk about the manifest format
15:10:15 <dauwhe> ... but that has a lower priority
15:10:26 <dauwhe> lrosenth: and we need a straw man
15:10:36 <dauwhe> mgylling: straw man of what?
15:10:40 <dauwhe> ivan: manifest
15:10:50 <dauwhe> ... the real issue is format and syntax of manifest
15:11:48 <dauwhe> mgylling: we could ask dave and hadrien to discuss BFF manifest work
15:12:04 <ivan> q+
15:12:04 <dauwhe> ... in order to see what topics within the use cases we should focus on
15:12:09 <dauwhe> ... manifest is one
15:12:16 <dauwhe> ... we've talked about portability and packaging
15:12:25 <ivan> q-
15:12:31 <dauwhe> ... why do you need portable docuemnts when you have the web?
15:12:36 <dauwhe> ... what are those high-level use cases?
15:12:50 <dauwhe> ... we've been touching on what are the requirements of the package itself?
15:13:01 <dauwhe> ... like streamability, random access, digital signatures, etc
15:13:06 <dauwhe> ... we have some work to do there
15:13:13 <lrosenth> q+
15:13:14 <dauwhe> ... and maybe manifests is a sub-discussion there
15:13:17 <dauwhe> ivan: I think so
15:13:28 <mgylling> q?
15:13:51 <dauwhe> ... when you talk to web people, the question is why isn't the web enough?
15:14:08 <dauwhe> ... that's the general question to which we have to have very good answers
15:14:18 <dauwhe> ... including business cases, production flows, etc
15:14:30 <dauwhe> ... the packaging format (zip vs nonzip) is secondary
15:14:31 <mgylling> ack lrosen
15:14:35 <dauwhe> lrosenth: I agree
15:14:43 <dauwhe> ... i think the use cases will address a lot of that
15:14:55 <dauwhe> ... to both package and offline cases
15:15:12 <dauwhe> ... one of which being stuff we put to the side--the package and offline scenario
15:15:29 <dauwhe> mgylling: packaging, manifest... do we want a 3rd and 4th topic?
15:15:32 <dauwhe> ivan: security
15:15:45 <dauwhe> ... i'm not taking about the D-word
15:15:48 <dauwhe> mgylling: privacy?
15:16:06 <dauwhe> ivan: the security in terms of hacking into a publication, javascript as security issue, etc
15:16:10 <laudrain> security in terms of rights
15:16:23 <dauwhe> lrosenth: in some ways they're related
15:16:47 <dauwhe> ... both fall into the category of surprising the user
15:16:58 <dauwhe> ... they're used to web pages, and what they can and can't do
15:17:08 <dauwhe> ... they're used to publications, and what they can and can't do
15:17:12 <dauwhe> ... but now we're blending
15:17:22 <dauwhe> ... are people used to movies in publication, touch events
15:17:31 <dauwhe> ... but how do users feel about analytics?
15:17:38 <dauwhe> ... about publications that phone home?
15:17:47 <dauwhe> ... that's where security and privacy come together
15:18:00 <cmaden21> present+ Chris_Maden
15:18:01 <dauwhe> ... we're creating publications that are different than they've ever been
15:18:07 <dauwhe> ivan: these are all important points
15:18:14 <dauwhe> q+
15:18:40 <mgylling> ack dave
15:18:45 <mgylling> ack dau
15:18:55 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre
15:19:12 <lrosenth> q+
15:19:22 <mgylling> ack lros
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15:19:36 <dauwhe> dauwhe: we should learn from the problems of EPUB. Single origin is core of web security, and that might not work here
15:19:50 <dauwhe> lrosenth: we also need to consider the environments, like package and manifest
15:20:05 <dauwhe> ... how is this material exposed? The origin model may vary
15:20:31 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK. packaging with manifest as sub-discussion. Security/Privacy. Those may be enough.
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15:20:41 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to be shallow. We want to work and prose and materials.
15:21:04 <dauwhe> ... so we probably want an interactive editing environment, like google docs
15:22:24 <dauwhe> mgylling: Dave, would you agree that the f2f is is a good time to do an introduction to manifest?
15:22:42 <dauwhe> dauwhe: I'm worried we'd get lost in the weeds
15:22:46 <clapierre> q+
15:22:50 <mgylling> q?
15:22:54 <mgylling> ack cla
15:23:06 <dauwhe> clapierre: do we just go and add ourselves as participants to the f2f?
15:23:12 <dauwhe> mgylling: On wiki page? Sure.
15:23:19 <dauwhe> ... ivan, is that the intent?
15:23:20 <rebecaruiz> q+
15:23:25 <dauwhe> ivan: yes.
15:23:34 <ShaneM> BTW I would be happy to talk about note / noteref / notegroup at the f2f if the agenda feels thin.
15:23:51 <mgylling> ack rebe
15:24:25 <rdeltour> q+
15:24:29 <mgylling> ack rdel
15:24:36 <dauwhe> mgylling: we probably have enough of an agenda so we probably couldn't get to noteref
15:24:40 <dauwhe> rdeltour: can you hear me?
15:25:03 <dauwhe> ... remind us of the timeframe for the f2f on the wiki page? Starts at 12 UTC?
15:25:09 <dauwhe> ivan: yes, it lasts four hours
15:25:28 <dauwhe> brady_duga: does it conflict with epub meeting
15:25:30 <dauwhe> mgylling: yes
15:25:36 <dauwhe> ... but they should move :)
15:25:39 <mgylling> q?
15:25:44 <dauwhe> ... anything else about the virtual f2f
15:25:49 <brady_duga> s/brady_duga/???/
15:26:09 <clapierre> s/???/Charles_LaPierre
15:26:27 <rdeltour> q+
15:26:36 <mgylling> ack rdel
15:26:44 <rdeltour> q+
15:27:10 <mgylling> ack rdel
15:27:13 <rdeltour> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp-ucr/index-update/index.html
15:27:18 <dauwhe> rdeltour: quick comment on use cases
15:27:24 <dauwhe> ... heather is working on this branch
15:28:10 <pkra> that never happens!
15:28:31 <dauwhe> mgylling: we've wanted to talk with annotations wg for a while
15:28:48 <dauwhe> ... can you describe where you are? A brief recap?
15:29:00 <dauwhe> rebecaruiz: hello
15:29:19 <dauwhe> mgylling: can you introduce yourself
15:29:31 <dauwhe> rebecaruiz: I work for cormac, a publishing service company
15:29:43 <astearns> s/cormac/Cornac Servicios Editoriales/
15:29:49 <dauwhe> ... we are very focused on syntax and typography in Spanish text
15:30:07 <dauwhe> ... we hope to work in this group a lot
15:30:15 <TimCole> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/
15:30:20 <rebecaruiz> It's Cornac, not Cormac… Sorry
15:30:23 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/
15:30:27 <TimCole> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/
15:30:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: tim, would you like to give us an intro
15:30:36 <astearns> present+ rebecaruiz
15:30:39 <TimCole> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/
15:30:47 <dauwhe> TimCole: (silence)
15:31:03 <dauwhe> ivan: why don't I start
15:31:09 <dauwhe> ... I hope he hears us
15:31:36 <dauwhe> ... I have put in the URL for the github because that includes the references to the three docs we've published
15:31:45 <dauwhe> ... we had a charter that included some other items
15:32:03 <dauwhe> ... we could not get on with them as we didn't the right people etc
15:32:14 <dauwhe> ... the work that we started
15:32:33 <dauwhe> ... we started with the work done in the CG
15:32:40 <rebecaruiz> present+ rebecaruiz
15:32:56 <dauwhe> ... that's more-or-less what we went on with, the data model and the vocab
15:33:16 <dauwhe> ... plus we have the annotation protocol between a server and client exchanging annos and data structures
15:33:29 <dauwhe> ... the biggest difference between what we have now and the CG doc
15:33:40 <dauwhe> ... is that we've made a cleaner separation between the model and vocab
15:33:50 <dauwhe> ... and between the serialization in JSON, and the RDF vocab
15:33:58 <dauwhe> ... the main reason being we wanted to have a doc
15:34:09 <dauwhe> ... that is readable acceptable useable by web app devs
15:34:24 <dauwhe> ... the web anno data model is describing data model in pure json
15:34:45 <dauwhe> ... we had lots of discussion on what terms to use to make it palatable to json users and js
15:34:53 <dauwhe> ... it's actually json-ld but we don't fuss about that
15:35:05 <dauwhe> ... we also have web anno vocab, which is clearly rdf
15:35:10 <dauwhe> ... with examples in turtle
15:35:25 <dauwhe> ... there is also a json-ld context file which maps between json and rdf
15:36:08 <dauwhe> ... i will hand it over to tim in a minute, for the diffs between the cg and the current doc
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15:36:16 <dauwhe> ... the fundamentals of the models is the same
15:36:33 <dauwhe> ... an anno is a small json structure
15:37:37 <dauwhe> azaroth: the model is quite straightforward
15:37:45 <dauwhe> ... there's an anno, which is a web resource
15:37:48 <Bert> present+
15:37:52 <dauwhe> ... it has a body, which is the comment or the tag
15:38:01 <dauwhe> ... and it has the target, which the comment is about
15:38:09 <dauwhe> ... there's the intention, the body, and the target
15:38:26 <dauwhe> ... each of those can have provenance, such as creator, license, intended audience
15:38:37 <dauwhe> ... there can be multiple bodys and multiple targets
15:38:46 <dauwhe> ... and any could have any format
15:38:53 <dauwhe> ... you could have a video about an image
15:39:01 <dauwhe> ... that hasn't changed from the CG work
15:39:08 <dauwhe> ... we've just added some more metadata
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15:39:28 <dauwhe> ... the new work is based around the community group's efforts on descriptions of parts of resource
15:39:44 <dauwhe> ... most annos will be about some fragment of something
15:39:55 <mgylling> q?
15:40:04 <dauwhe> ... like a range of text on an html page
15:40:14 <dauwhe> ... so we have several selectors to find the content of interest on a page
15:40:26 <dauwhe> ... and there are workflow stuff like a state class
15:40:40 <dauwhe> ... that lets you record the http headers that were sent
15:40:53 <dauwhe> ... so if you had a single resource with a uri which gives both html or pdf
15:41:08 <dauwhe> ... then the selectors for how to retrieve the text would be different
15:41:23 <dauwhe> ... so you need to know if user was looking at html or pdf when they made the anno
15:41:45 <dauwhe> TimCole: we've also clarified how to do very simple text annotations, made easier for json
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15:42:07 <dauwhe> ... we also refined the idea of motivations, the role of the body esp. if you have multiple bodies
15:42:13 <dauwhe> ... like in a copyedit environmen
15:42:27 <dauwhe> ... you can distinguish between replacement text and commenting on substance
15:42:52 <dauwhe> ... we anticipate that communities may focus on parts of the model most interesting to them, and develop them further
15:43:08 <dauwhe> azaroth: talk about protocol?
15:43:08 <ivan> q+
15:43:24 <dauwhe> TimCole: you can do server to server...
15:43:39 <dauwhe> ... the question is how this would play out in pwp, take books offline, then come online
15:43:47 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:43:48 <dauwhe> ... we don't quite know how this will play out
15:43:53 <dauwhe> ivan: one more thing
15:43:59 <azaroth> Model: https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/
15:44:11 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/selector-note/index-respec.html
15:44:12 <dauwhe> ... rob has already talked about the selectors and states as being very powerful in selecting parts of a resource
15:44:18 <azaroth> Protocol: https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/
15:44:31 <dauwhe> ... we also made a separate note which makes it clear that that part of the model can be used outside annotations
15:44:42 <dauwhe> .... it's general approach to selecting parts of a complex resource
15:45:01 <dauwhe> ... it extracts it and makes it available to people who aren't interested in annotations
15:45:05 <TimCole> q+
15:45:21 <dauwhe> ... could be an alternative to CFI
15:45:36 <mgylling> ack TimCole
15:45:38 <dauwhe> ... we've also put CFI as a possibility to express a fragment
15:45:44 <dauwhe> TimCole: in terms of where the group is
15:45:48 <dauwhe> ... charter ends oct 1
15:45:54 <dauwhe> ... we have these three mature WDs
15:46:00 <lrosenth> q+
15:46:12 <dauwhe> ... we have an upcoming f2f in berlin to move these forward, get them to CR this summer
15:46:25 <dauwhe> ... try to get to rec by the end of the charter
15:46:31 <dauwhe> ... we don't have as much on client side API
15:46:39 <dauwhe> ... we may have a note about html serialization
15:47:05 <dauwhe> ... and there is work on privacy, on publishing annotations that everyone see
15:47:29 <dauwhe> ... you can signal behaviour with robots.txt, but this is beyond our scope
15:47:31 <mgylling> ack lrosen
15:47:47 <dauwhe> lrosenth: could you talk about implementation status?
15:47:55 <dauwhe> ... how many are known, both client and server?
15:48:08 <dauwhe> azaroth: because of the CG's work in the past
15:48:16 <dauwhe> ... there are a lot of implementations of the CG spec
15:48:28 <dauwhe> ... there are fewer implementations of the WG spec, as it's not yet CR
15:48:42 <dauwhe> ... Europeana has implemented the model and the protocol
15:48:51 <dauwhe> ... for cultural heritage
15:49:03 <dauwhe> .... ??? has upgraded from the CG to the WG, they have a client
15:49:14 <ivan> s/???/pund.it/
15:49:18 <dauwhe> ... Hypothesis has not yet released their version that implements the model
15:49:24 <dauwhe> ... but I've seen it
15:49:35 <ivan> q+
15:49:38 <dauwhe> ... that's the client, and they're working on the protocal
15:49:57 <dauwhe> ... the AAAF?? community is commited to moving from the CG spec to the WG spec
15:50:04 <mgylling> q+
15:50:10 <dauwhe> ... that would be both model and protocol
15:50:17 <azaroth> s/AAAF/IIIF/
15:50:18 <lrosenth> that was great - thanks!
15:50:28 <dauwhe> mgylling: does this mean your exit criteria fears are no longer something to fear
15:50:39 <dauwhe> azaroth: I'm still a bit afraid, but we hope to
15:50:44 <dauwhe> TimCole: lots of work to do on testing
15:50:54 <dauwhe> azaroth: there's still work around the edges
15:51:19 <dauwhe> ... things like intended audience and license and provenance that we've added in the WG, there are fewer implementations
15:51:20 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:51:26 <ShaneM> there are some concerns about testing ;-)
15:51:29 <dauwhe> ivan: let me add to the long list two items
15:51:46 <dauwhe> ... one is that I had a discussion with EDRL lab
15:51:56 <dauwhe> ... it's on their plans to implement and add to readium
15:52:01 <dauwhe> ... it's not clear when it will happen
15:52:15 <dauwhe> ... we are hopeful they can do it, and help with testing for CR
15:52:27 <dauwhe> ... the other one which is more a kind of hope
15:52:41 <dauwhe> ... the new version of bluefire will have very good annotation facilities
15:52:41 <azaroth> IIIF: http://iiif.io/  and in particular:  http://iiif.io/api/presentation/2.1/ is the spec that uses the Annotation work
15:52:54 <dauwhe> ... for the time being this is their own thing, but might migrate to spec
15:53:08 <dauwhe> mgylling: there are a few other epub implementations that use the CG version
15:53:16 <dauwhe> ... I can try to dig up the list
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ... rob and tim, rob, you helped us with epub adoption of CG spec, which is still a draft
15:53:41 <Jean_K> @dauwhe: Please do!!! I'm interested to know the extent of implementation.
15:53:48 <dauwhe> ... which is now waiting to be updated to the WG
15:53:58 <mgylling> q?
15:53:59 <dauwhe> ... is it ready now?
15:54:12 <dauwhe> azaroth: I don't think there are significant areas that will change
15:54:29 <dauwhe> ... maybe after Berlin F2F would be the time to start work on that, it's when we hope to go to CR
15:54:38 <mgylling> ack mgylling
15:54:47 <dauwhe> ... there are a few minor things we need to discuss that might result in trivial changes
15:54:50 <dauwhe> mgylling: cool
15:55:12 <dauwhe> ivan: the epub version put the emphasis on JSON, which is part of our current rec
15:55:26 <dauwhe> ... the other thing is that one of the work items
15:55:38 <dauwhe> ... the json schema done for epub should be reused and updated
15:55:49 <lrosenth> q+
15:55:51 <dauwhe> ... the testing mechanism will use that schema
15:55:53 <ShaneM> (maybe).
15:55:58 <mgylling> ack lros
15:56:04 <mgylling> q+
15:56:32 <dauwhe> lrosenth: your comments are around EPUB, but we're not far enough along with PWP to talk about that
15:56:40 <dauwhe> ivan: the rec is about anything
15:56:43 <mgylling> ack mgyl
15:56:58 <dauwhe> mgylling: so you have this note with frag selectors
15:57:06 <dauwhe> ... so you won't require implementation
15:57:20 <dauwhe> ... but 90% of it is exactly the same as the rec itself
15:57:40 <dauwhe> ... the only thing which is not in the rec is a mapping onto fragment identifiers
15:57:57 <dauwhe> ... so people who are not interested in annos can use the same stuff for other uses
15:58:13 <dauwhe> mgylling: so an implementaiton of the rec will have to support xpath and css selectors
15:58:19 <dauwhe> ivan: that is correct with one caveat
15:58:30 <dauwhe> ... is that not all selectors make sense with all media types
15:58:36 <mgylling> q?
15:58:44 <dauwhe> ... so implementions may concentrate on particular media types
15:59:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: the w3c has tried before to introduce new selectors
15:59:21 <dauwhe> ... and it hasn't gone well
15:59:31 <dauwhe> ... do you see a dependancy on browsers here?
15:59:39 <dauwhe> ivan: long term, yes. It's a big unknown.
15:59:51 <dauwhe> ... implementations can do internally what they want
16:00:01 <dauwhe> ... ideally this would be implemented in browsers
16:00:13 <dauwhe> azaroth: in the meantime, everything can be implemented in JS
16:00:23 <dauwhe> ... if browsers were to take up heavy lifting
16:00:32 <dauwhe> ... it would make impl much easier
16:00:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: have you had any expression of interest with browsers
16:00:55 <dauwhe> TimCole: we've had a long conversation about text
16:01:02 <dauwhe> ... interest but no action
16:01:07 <mgylling> q?
16:01:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: we're at the top of the hour
16:01:37 <dauwhe> azaroth: this is a good time for feedback
16:01:43 <azaroth> s/azaroth/TimCole/
16:01:45 <dauwhe> mgylling: review the EDs
16:02:03 <astearns> possible new avenue for dealing with new selectors: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-extensions/#custom-selectors
16:02:13 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks everyone
16:02:24 <dauwhe> ... next week meeting is cancelled
16:02:38 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/02-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:02:43 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:02:43 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, dauwhe, Tim_Cole, ShaneM, Markus_Gylling, astearns, duga, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, Audrain, Ben_De_Meester, Leonard, Peter, Krautzberger.,
16:02:44 <clapierre> clapierre has left #dpub
16:02:47 <Zakim> ... Chris_Maden, Charles_LaPierre, rdeltour, rebecaruiz, Bert
16:02:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/02-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:02:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items