14:00:20 RRSAgent has joined #tt 14:00:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-irc 14:00:22 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:00:22 Zakim has joined #tt 14:00:24 Zakim, this will be TTML 14:00:24 ok, trackbot 14:00:25 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 14:00:25 Date: 28 April 2016 14:00:31 chair: Nigel 14:00:34 Present: Nigel 14:00:36 scribe: nigel 14:02:08 Present+ Mike, Pierre 14:03:54 Regrets: Glenn, Frans 14:04:19 Topic: This Meeting 14:04:50 nigel: I don't think we have any Action Items unrelated to agenda items, nor anything 14:05:36 tmichel has joined #tt 14:05:47 I am coming ... 14:05:51 ... to report on Charter. So I propose we cover TPAC, IMSC, Profile Registry and anything else we have time (and people) for. 14:05:59 ... AOB? 14:06:13 Topic: TPAC 14:06:30 nigel: As per my email yesterday, we have draft schedule dates for TPAC, being the 14:06:48 ... Monday and Tuesday. Draft schedule is at https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html 14:07:29 ... It's a shame that we overlap the Web & TV IG, as for me anyway it was useful to attend 14:07:32 ... both last year. 14:07:58 Present+ Thierry 14:09:08 nigel: We did ask not to overlap, on the WBS survey, but we do. 14:10:00 nigel: I'd like to ask this group how many people would prefer to attend both, so we can 14:10:07 ... get an idea of how big an issue this is for us. 14:10:40 Action: nigel Ask TTWG who would really prefer to be able to attend Web & TV IG as well as TTWG at TPAC 2016 14:10:47 Created ACTION-464 - Ask ttwg who would really prefer to be able to attend web & tv ig as well as ttwg at tpac 2016 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2016-05-05]. 14:10:49 pal has joined #tt 14:11:05 pal: Note that moving TTWG would be really bad for me! 14:11:44 tmichel: Don't expect the Web & TV IG to move, because it's huge. They've requested 40 participants! 14:11:52 nigel: Yes, their once a year meeting is well attended. 14:12:22 nigel: There's common interest amongst Web & TV IG members and out members. 14:13:47 Topic: IMSC 14:14:32 nigel: Notes that there's still no press release for IMSC, due in part to the comm team being busy I'm told. 14:15:20 Action: tmichel Ping plh privately regarding IMSC Rec press release 14:15:20 Created ACTION-465 - Ping plh privately regarding imsc rec press release [on Thierry Michel - due 2016-05-05]. 14:21:16 group: Voices strong concern at this situation on behalf of those organisations which they reached out to for content for the PR. 14:21:40 action-461? 14:21:40 action-461 -- Thierry Michel to Add an acknowledgment section to the imsc 1 errata section. -- due 2016-04-28 -- OPEN 14:21:40 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/461 14:22:19 tmichel: I started to wrap this up with a single errata with the acknowledgment section. 14:22:35 ... The first paragraph thanks and names current participants of the TTWG, in alphabetical order. 14:22:54 ... The 2nd paragraph includes special thanks to some people, those from the WG that 14:23:03 ... I'm aware of (might have missed some names). 14:23:09 ... The 3rd paragraph thanks DECE. 14:23:23 ... I had feedback from Pierre saying that the 1st para should probably not name people 14:23:39 ... and just thank current participants of the WG. I think that's a good way to go; it's easier 14:23:50 ... not to mention names because there are lots of participants listed who never come 14:24:02 ... to the meetings nor send any emails and have never participated in IMSC 1. 14:24:13 ... I agree that it's probably best not to mention those people. The suggestion is to remove 14:24:35 ... the names from para 1, review the 2nd para adding any missing names, and keep 14:24:47 ... the thanks to DECE. We name them because they made the Member Submission. 14:25:02 s/made/contributed the document for 14:25:13 pal: And contributed test vectors too. 14:25:17 tmichel: I should add that. 14:28:16 tmichel: I made a pull request: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/179 14:29:30 tmichel: I'll change the 1st para to take out individual names, and add more detail on the 3rd para. 14:29:39 ... What do you prefer for the 2nd para? 14:31:03 pal: As Editor I don't think we can exhaustively list the people who need special thanks. 14:31:07 ... My preference is not to do that. 14:31:46 nigel: I think we can and should add specific names. 14:32:01 pal: I think John Birch added meaningful text, so we should add his name. I'd have to go 14:32:52 ... back through all my notes. 14:33:03 nigel: I'd acknowledge people who have contributed text or feature requests. 14:33:18 tmichel: This errata isn't normative - if we notice later that we missed someone then we 14:33:21 ... can add it later. 14:34:32 tmichel: I'll review this and add John Birch. 14:34:46 nigel: Yes, and reviewing, I think this is a pretty good list. 14:35:13 mike: So the clear test is that people contributed text? 14:36:33 nigel: I'd open it up slightly further, and include anyone who added requirements even 14:36:36 ... without proposed wording. 14:36:41 pal: For the record, I would do none of this. 14:37:22 nigel: This is partly a cultural thing for W3C, right? It's normal for W3C specs to acknowledge contributors. 14:37:34 tmichel: Yes, it's normal to do that for W3C specs. It's not a requirement, but it's nice. 14:38:11 Action: nigel Review notes to see who if anyone should be added to IMSC acknowledgements for special thanks. 14:38:11 Created ACTION-466 - Review notes to see who if anyone should be added to imsc acknowledgements for special thanks. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2016-05-05]. 14:38:36 Action-461: Note also Action-466. 14:38:36 Notes added to Action-461 Add an acknowledgment section to the imsc 1 errata section.. 14:38:59 pal: I'm thinking of reorganising the repo to have an imsc1 subfolder and an imsc.next folder. 14:39:07 ... Is it possible to check we have no links that will break if I do that? 14:39:15 tmichel: Yes, I'll check that. 14:39:30 pal: I really like the process that /TR publications should never link back to github. 14:39:45 tmichel: I've never seen that, but now people in W3C want to use github as much as possible... 14:39:54 ... I think the errata should be something stable. 14:40:03 pal: Or if you do link to github link to a particular changeset. 14:40:19 tmichel: I was thinking of moving a snapshot of the document that has been agreed by 14:40:33 ... the working group to a W3C server. Then we can work on the github page for future 14:40:51 ... erratas and when we have agreed to publish a new version I will publish it on the same 14:40:59 ... URI on the W3C server linked from the Rec document. 14:41:02 pal: That makes sense. 14:41:18 pal: Another topic on IMSC.next - I'm planning to start working on this soon. The first 14:41:29 ... task is to come up with a tentative list of features for IMSC.next. 14:44:05 nigel: We should cover the extant requests e.g. from ATSC, and also I'm expecting at least 14:44:18 ... one more request from another group. I'll encourage them to tell us ASAP! 14:44:35 pal: I plan to create an informal list at first, and then we also need to think about using 14:44:47 ... TTML2 concepts. Do we know when TTML2 will be done? 14:47:46 present+ plh 14:47:59 nigel: Way back when we decided to make IMSC1 and IMSC2 we said we'd wait for TTML2 14:48:05 ... before publishing IMSC2. 14:48:21 ... I'd like to publish the low hanging stuff in an interim e.g. IMSC 1.1. 14:48:31 tmichel: Are you suggesting we tie the version numbers between IMSC and TTML 14:48:52 nigel: Yes, at least for the major version numbers. There's a certain elegance there. 14:50:19 pal: I plan to start this ASAP. 14:50:33 nigel: A github wiki page might be a good way to capture this. 14:50:43 pal: Sounds like a good place to start, okay. 14:52:08 Topic: Profiles registry 14:52:11 action-459? 14:52:11 action-459 -- Thierry Michel to Process the PR at https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/3 and post for review to the reflector -- due 2016-04-21 -- OPEN 14:52:11 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/459 14:53:21 tmichel: I was waiting for approval before inviting review. 14:53:27 nigel: Okay, I think we can go ahead with that. 14:54:46 Mike: I added https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/9 14:54:58 nigel: I reviewed this 6 days ago. Any objections to merging this? 14:55:42 mike: I did a copy/paste of the registration text from TTML1 and added the new codecs 14:55:48 ... parameter and its syntax. 14:56:09 ... The intent is to work with plh to register this with IANA. 14:56:21 https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination 14:57:52 plh: I see that the pull request gives a link to further information regarding processor profile combination pointing to rawgit not /TR 14:58:48 nigel: That's because we can't update the TTML2 WD due to the new stylesheet. 14:59:30 tmichel: I could put some energy into manually modifying the ToC if that's the only thing 14:59:39 ... blocking this. 15:00:43 Action: tmichel Ask Glenn if a manual modification of the ToC would be feasible to publish a new WD of TTML2 15:00:45 Created ACTION-467 - Ask glenn if a manual modification of the toc would be feasible to publish a new wd of ttml2 [on Thierry Michel - due 2016-05-05]. 15:01:14 https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination 15:01:22 https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination 15:02:00 plh: The two linked sections look the same. 15:02:13 tmichel: I'm more concerned with initiating the conversation with IANA. 15:02:19 plh: I suggest we change the link and merge the PR. 15:02:22 mike: That's fine too. 15:02:39 nigel: Okay with me too. 15:03:38 mike: Okay I'll do this, using the first of plh's two links above, the /TR/ one. 15:03:58 nigel: This one: https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination 15:04:19 mike: Okay I'll deal with it. 15:04:42 nigel: Thierry please could you wait for that to be merged before circulating for review? 15:04:44 tmichel: Yes. 15:05:24 nigel: Thanks everyone, we're out of time. 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