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15:27:08 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Susann Keohane ,E.A. Draffan, ayelet seeman
15:28:25 <Lisa_Seeman>  Meeting:The Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:28:27 <Lisa_Seeman>  Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:28:28 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:28:30 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review actions, and timelines
15:28:31 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  proposal for wcag https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
15:28:33 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  Tables for roadmap - https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/voice-menus.html added to https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html#table8
15:28:34 <Lisa_Seeman> (also see https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAGand https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html)
15:28:36 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ What have we missed for issues page, discalilia shopping app, voice ml, globish etc
15:28:37 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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16:00:36 <JF> Present+ JF
16:01:28 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Susann Keohane ,E.A. Draffan, ayelet seeman, john rochford
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16:02:20 <janina> present+ Janina
16:02:26 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: mike_plike
16:02:34 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: mike_pluke
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16:03:09 <Lisa_Seeman> next item:
16:03:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review actions, and timelines" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:04:17 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:05:30 <kirkwood> kirkwood+present
16:05:41 <kirkwood> present+kirkwood
16:05:56 <ddahl> present+ Debbie_Dahl
16:06:30 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/symbols-non-verbal.html
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16:07:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Pre-publication_checklist
16:08:35 <Mike_Pluke> Symbols work from Chaohai ongoing - needs to be processed according to the checklist of how to format etc.
16:11:04 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:11:56 <Mike_Pluke> John's distractions section he has gone through the checklist waiting for second pull request
16:13:20 <ddahl> original emotionML description https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0046.html
16:13:21 <Mike_Pluke> Debbie - Emotional markup - not written an issue paper (but should close original action)
16:15:30 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/links-buttons.html
16:15:30 <Mike_Pluke> Rich - Links and Buttons - done link to follow
16:16:51 <Mike_Pluke> Not just links and buttons (despite name)
16:17:34 <Mike_Pluke> The potential features in section 11 is floating - but not removed because someone originally added it
16:18:32 <Mike_Pluke> Rich suggesting that other documents should follow the proposal format that he has adopted
16:19:08 <Mike_Pluke> Maybe the linksa nd buttons and "Easy personalisation" sections should be separated out as they are different
16:20:33 <Mike_Pluke> Not everything has followed the original proposed "Issue Paper" template
16:21:23 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Open_Issues
16:22:59 <Mike_Pluke> Personalization issue papers are, together, a mess - may ask Ayelet to rationalse these
16:24:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:26:14 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa, Ayelet and Mike to work togather to try to produce a coherent personalization section
16:27:11 <Mike_Pluke> May Jo - Flat Design - paper "lacks a lot of meat" and is missing sections that are included in other papers
16:28:26 <Mike_Pluke> Correction - Mary Jo not May Jo!
16:28:37 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/voice-menus.html
16:29:24 <Mike_Pluke> The "voie menu" issue paper is a template that can be used to help improve flat design
16:29:39 <JF> s/May Jo/Mary Jo
16:29:52 <Mike_Pluke> Janina not finished with Web of Things paper - needs another week.
16:30:38 <Mike_Pluke> Modality issue paper - think John Rochford has completed (not on call)
16:31:10 <Mike_Pluke> Thaddeus has already accepted the "numbers" paper
16:31:44 <Mike_Pluke> Providing graded help - Thaddeus has volunteered
16:33:45 <Mike_Pluke> Michael has agreed to check the "numbers" paper and come back to Lisa
16:34:29 <Mike_Pluke> Volunteer needed for Metadata - come back to this later
16:35:11 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
16:35:47 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa has asked people to look at "Proposal for WCAG" (above)
16:38:27 <Mike_Pluke> Readers need to undertand what is meant by "testable" - not machine testable but will be the case for most people
16:39:00 <Mike_Pluke> Plenty of exceptions are added in several requirements
16:41:45 <Mike_Pluke> Trys to avoid reference t ocurrent "hot" issues like "flat design" requirements given in more generally applicable terms
16:43:15 <Mike_Pluke> John Foliot querying how the COGA work will be handled - rolled into WCAG 2.1 or an extension (John used the term "profile")
16:44:40 <Mike_Pluke> John's use of "profile" refers to WCAG 2.0 + COGA extension (for example)
16:46:56 <Mike_Pluke> The extension model has the disadvantage that it appears discriminatory - i.e. it is acceptable to not include people with certain impairments
16:49:05 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
16:51:23 <Mike_Pluke> Michael: This discussion is best held in the WCAG group and not the Task Force (with representatives of the COGA TF present).
16:51:31 <JF> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_Next_Possible_Models
16:52:50 <Mike_Pluke> John Posted the above link as it discussed the issues being discussed.
16:54:15 <Mike_Pluke> Michael proposing how to move the material forward from the wiki to a Github draft.
16:56:07 <Mike_Pluke> Michael expressed concern that WCAG will say that the material is too detailed and not suitable as WCAG Success Criteria.
16:56:22 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa suggesting that techniques can be separated out.
16:57:56 <KurtM> Kurt dropping
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17:00:42 <Mike_Pluke> Michael: Perhaps one solution may be to move some of the bullet points as part of definitions, thereby tightening the success criteria
17:01:23 <Mike_Pluke> Michael: The problem is likely to be that WCAG will focus on the non-standard way of writing success criteria and not on the substance
17:03:52 <Mike_Pluke> Lisa suggests asking the chairs to give the document a pre-review before deciding to submit the document for a full review
17:04:53 <Mike_Pluke> John has volunteered to give a quick review
17:18:31 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/links-buttons.html
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17:39:03 <Lisa_Seeman> action: ddahl	to write up understanding emotions   as issue paper following the template from flat design
17:43:17 <Lisa_Seeman> action: mike ayelet lisa to work on personlisation issues papers and what needs to happen is https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/pre-publication_checklist.
17:43:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Ayelet lisa to work on personlisation issues papers and what needs to happen is https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/pre-publication_checklist. [on Mike Pluke - due 2016-04-25].
17:45:29 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:45:38 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:45:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:46:05 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:46:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JF, Janina, kirkwood, Debbie_Dahl, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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17:46:31 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:46:31 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-coga-actions.rdf :
17:46:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ddahl	to write up understanding emotions   as issue paper following the template from flat design [1]
17:46:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-coga-irc#T17-39-03
17:46:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mike ayelet lisa to work on personlisation issues papers and what needs to happen is https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/pre-publication_checklist. [2]
17:46:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-coga-irc#T17-43-17