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17:07:45 <jamesn>  present+ Teresa, Matt, Ann, James, Jemma
17:07:52 <jamesn>  regrets+ Michiel, Leonie, Birkir, Bryan
17:07:55 <jamesn> present+ Jon
17:08:05 <jamesn> Agenda+ 10-minute discussion: Review actions needed to finish landmarks and math
17:08:05 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review section 2.13 Grid (Simple Data Tables) https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#grid
17:08:05 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review section 2.14 Actionable, Sortable Column Header in a Grid https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#sortablegrid
17:08:05 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review new examples and update pattern work assignments https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
17:08:11 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
17:08:19 <jamesn> scribe: jemma
17:08:26 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:08:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "10-minute discussion: Review actions needed to finish landmarks and math" taken up [from jamesn]
17:09:02 <jemma> *thanks james
17:09:33 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA APG TF
17:10:25 <jemma> mk: landmark works looks good
17:11:03 <jemma> ann: I am fine with as far as html5 section there
17:11:21 <boerst> I'm fine with that
17:11:39 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/JN_Landmarks/practices/aria-practices.html
17:11:49 <jemma> mk: suggest to move landmark as resolution
17:12:17 <jemma> is there way to merge/pull the landmark work to the spec
17:12:32 <jemma> jn: he will do merge the doc
17:13:03 <jemma> s/spec/guide
17:13:19 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
17:13:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
17:14:11 <jemma> group agrees to merge the work
17:14:30 <jemma> s/resolution/guides
17:15:26 <jemma> mk:should math be part of this aria discussion?
17:16:36 <jemma> jg: birker and bryan are trying to get information for best practice for math role
17:17:04 <jemma> mk: math role has a place for guide
17:17:18 <jemma> jn:  there is github issue about math role
17:17:47 <jemma> mk:would we bring this to the agenda item?
17:18:12 <jemma> jg: I will help to bring this to agenda items
17:18:59 <jemma> ann: how about AT for the math role?
17:19:41 <jemma> jn: role=math is not brand new in aria 1.1
17:19:58 <jemma> jg: will bring the math role agenda in three weeks
17:20:39 <jemma> jg: after all my travel
17:21:14 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/290
17:21:46 <jemma> mk: created the issue and will assign to jon gunderson
17:22:05 <jongund> jongund
17:22:11 <jemma> ann: why do we assign the issue to jon?
17:22:12 <jongund> I don't know
17:22:31 <jongund> OK
17:22:57 <jemma> mk: this, math role is agenda for May 9
17:23:13 <jemma> ann: math role is not in design pattern
17:23:33 <jemma> jn:section 1.0 version has math role as a separate section
17:23:39 <jemma> next topic
17:24:06 <jemma> next item
17:26:46 <jemma> jn: james already set up a github issue in github
17:26:56 <jemma> jn: for this
17:27:23 <jemma> jn: we are trying to move issue to github from mozila
17:27:31 <jemma> s/issue/issues
17:27:54 <jemma> jn: we can put multiple labels for the issues
17:28:05 <jemma> mk:apg label for now
17:28:05 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/323
17:28:24 <jemma> s/mozila/bugzilla
17:29:11 <jemma> mk:actionable/sortable would not be easy to be integrate "grid"
17:30:38 <jemma> mk: I would prefer not to see different section for each layout grid/sortable grid/
17:30:42 <jemma> jn: good point
17:31:34 <jemma> jn: ie. dialog - there are common part such as keyboard nav..in spite of different dialog type/usage
17:32:30 <jemma> jn: grouping for grid will help people to see whole picture first rather than sticking to one specific grid example
17:32:42 <jemma> mk:editorial work will be needed
17:32:54 <jemma> mk: merging the same content section
17:33:09 <jemma> into one such as keyboard and more
17:34:02 <jemma> jn: we can show general section, not only subset of the grid
17:35:35 <jemma> ann: grid is now usable as generic layout container for interactive element
17:35:45 <jemma> s/ann/mk
17:36:13 <jemma> mk: take out tabular data and reward it
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17:37:54 <jemma> mk: explaining generic feature which distinguish grid from table and then talk about different usage of grid
17:39:10 <jemma> mk: then keyboard features..
17:42:43 <jemma> mk: title is rid starting with generic description and talk about one for layout grid and the other for data grid
17:42:52 <jemma> s/rid/grid
17:43:14 <jemma> mk:that way we can capture UX designer attention James is talking about
17:43:28 <jemma> s/designer/designers'
17:43:58 <jemma> jn: made a git hub issue for this
17:46:18 <jemma> mk: how would we want to address focus management strategy inside grid?
17:47:35 <jemma> mk: different case when using jaws and voice over for grid
17:47:49 <jemma> s/case/screen reader case
17:49:19 <jemma> mk: if it is more about focus management, not screen reader management,  the description will fit into non keyboard section
17:52:15 <jemma> mk: will try to make one keyboard section for now for both type of grids
17:53:03 <jemma> mk: will see how the group think
17:53:09 <jemma> s/think/thinks
17:54:07 <jemma> jn: the same behavior for excel - tab in and make the cell active and edit the data
17:54:25 <jemma> s/for/like that of
17:54:59 <jemma> jn:use tab to edit the cell
17:55:24 <jemma> or box
17:55:56 <jemma> s/box/edit box
18:00:24 <jemma> mk:will add a link to tree grid from grid section
18:01:22 <jemma> ann: need distinction of table from grid
18:02:54 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#grid
18:06:29 <jemma> mk: need to rewrite the grid description such as removing the paragraphe "This can be achieved by ...." and more
18:06:39 <jemma> mk: I will take this action item
18:07:49 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/323
18:08:11 <jemma> Re-title to "Grid" Have 2 sub-sections within the description for "Data Grids" and "Layout Grids" Keyboard Section Need to add something about navigating to the cell or the content (Matt to write) Re-write description section to remove information which is no longer relevant in ARIA 1.1 and to add content about new features in ARIA 1.1
18:09:34 <jemma> next item
18:09:45 <jemma> next item
18:10:29 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 4
18:10:29 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review new examples and update pattern work assignments https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
18:12:07 <jemma> jn: taking out drag and drop from pattern status
18:12:22 <jemma> mk: drag and drop is deprecated
18:13:50 <jemma> mk: we may do something better - control pattern in aria 2.2
18:14:04 <jemma> s/2.2/2.0
18:15:02 <jemma> jn: we will update Grid section in design pattern table after we edited authoring practice guide
18:17:42 <jemma> jg: any update on combo box so that we can add combo box example?
18:19:05 <jemma> mk: very close to be done with combo box
18:20:33 <jemma> mk: in apg
18:28:34 <jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
18:28:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html jemma
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