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12:54:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
12:54:54 <trackbot> Date: 13 April 2016
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12:55:35 <eparsons> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160413
12:55:49 <eparsons> Chair: eparsons
12:55:59 <eparsons> present+ eparsons
12:56:02 <eparsons> Chair: eparsons
12:56:33 <robin> present+ robin
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12:57:17 <eparsons> waiting for phila to open the webex ?
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12:58:59 <phila> Coming..
12:59:13 <eparsons> No rush :-)
12:59:13 <phila> Grr, you shouldn't need me to do this.
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12:59:30 <eparsons> Don't look at the Topic line !!!
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13:00:58 <phila> Should be worky now
13:01:05 <phila> Will join shortly
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13:02:41 <eparsons> Regrets: Andrea, Andreas, Scott, Bart, Danh,Rachel, Lars, Frans
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13:03:01 <ahaller2> zakim, code?
13:03:01 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW
13:03:10 <jtandy> zakim, code
13:03:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', jtandy
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13:04:32 <eparsons> Welcome jonblower !!!
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13:05:22 <jonblower> Thanks Ed! Just trying to remember the Webex link after a long absence from these calls...
13:05:24 <joshlieberman> present+ joshlieberman
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13:05:55 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
13:06:59 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
13:07:02 <eparsons> scribe: billroberts
13:07:07 <kerry> present+ kerry
13:07:13 <phila> present+ phila
13:07:24 <Linda> present+ Linda
13:07:46 <eparsons> Topic : Approve last week's minutes
13:07:52 <kerry> regrets+ Andrea
13:07:55 <jonblower> OK I am being very thick - what is the meeting number for Webex?
13:08:01 <eparsons> Proposed : Approve last week's minutes
13:08:08 <billroberts> on the meetings page jon
13:08:09 <kerry> regrets+ Andreas
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13:08:14 <eparsons> http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-sdw-minutes.html
13:08:20 <billroberts> 642 889 345
13:08:27 <RaulGarciaCastro> present+ RaulGarciaCastro
13:08:29 <billroberts> +1
13:08:29 <eparsons> +1
13:08:31 <ScottSimmons> +1
13:08:33 <Linda> +1
13:08:34 <MattPerry> +1
13:08:36 <ahaller2> +1
13:08:40 <joshlieberman> +1
13:08:41 <robin> +1
13:08:43 <kerry> regrets+ Bart
13:08:56 <eparsons> RESOLUTION : Approve last week's minutes
13:09:00 <kerry> regrets+ Danh
13:09:06 <ChrisLittle> +0 not present
13:09:06 <billroberts> Topic: OGC Patent call
13:09:08 <eparsons> Topic : Patent Call
13:09:22 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
13:09:27 <kerry> regrets+ Rachel
13:09:33 <kerry> regrets+ Frans
13:09:42 <kerry> regrets+ Lars
13:09:46 <billroberts> Topic: OGC coordination and communication to the TC
13:09:46 <eparsons> Topic : OGC coordination and communication to the TC
13:10:47 <billroberts> joshliebermann: activity in the group so far has mostly been in W3C hosted forums such as these calls.  Possible for OGC members to keep up, but we haven't actively promoted it to OGC membership
13:11:05 <billroberts> ...consequences are not getting as much feedback and input as we might
13:11:23 <billroberts> ...look at ways of getting this group's activity more into view of the OGC members
13:11:55 <phila> regrets+ Andrea, Andreas
13:12:45 <billroberts> joshliebermann: some 'translation' is needed for OGC people who may not be familiar with the group's ways of working, or background on use of web etc
13:12:59 <billroberts> ...so not only deliver material but also bridge the divide in terms of backgrounds
13:13:02 <phila> Meeting number: 642 889 345
13:13:02 <phila> Meeting password: sdw
13:13:33 <billroberts> eparsons: we make use of the OGC geosemantics working group as a mechanism for feeding back SDW work to OGC
13:13:42 <ChrisLittle> q+
13:13:46 <billroberts> ...those involved in geosemantics group probably already know about this stuff
13:13:48 <eparsons> ack next
13:13:57 <billroberts> ...want to reach out to the broader membership of the OGC
13:14:00 <jtandy> he's just unmuted
13:14:05 <ScottSimmons> q+
13:14:35 <billroberts> chrislittle: there are usually 4 parallel sessions at OGC face to face meetings, so even those who want to get to geosemantics meetings may not be able to
13:14:51 <eparsons> ack next
13:14:56 <billroberts> ...perhaps present at plenary sessions, though agenda may often be full
13:15:24 <billroberts> ScottSimmons: each group gets 5 minutes to present what they've done in a quarter, so not much of an opportunity
13:15:39 <billroberts> ...would be valuable for this group to have a more substantial report at OGC TC meetings
13:16:20 <billroberts> ...invite this group to speak at next TC webinar in May, but can also reserve time at the next opening or closing plenary for a 20+ minute slot for this group
13:16:49 <billroberts> eparsons: asks Josh if that sounds like it would help
13:17:12 <billroberts> joshliebermann: other possibilities include short monthly blog posts on SDW
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13:17:45 <billroberts> ...OGC has made a domain subgroup for this work.  That might get involve in standards development, eg on ontologies
13:18:10 <billroberts> ...the final part of this collaboration could be to charter one or more standards working groups to develop OGC standards that could become W3C/OGC best practices
13:18:13 <jtandy> q+ to refer back to my previous wacky  idea about GeoSPARQL 1.1
13:18:38 <eparsons> ack next
13:18:39 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to refer back to my previous wacky  idea about GeoSPARQL 1.1
13:18:40 <billroberts> eparsons: a challenge is the SDW work cuts across several different working groups of OGC
13:18:42 <jtandy> unmutubg
13:19:42 <billroberts> jtandy: made a suggestion on a previous call that Geosparql could be modified to take into account GeoJSON literals - an example of the kind of thing that SDW is doing, that could be used to illustrate to OGC members what we are doing
13:19:54 <joshlieberman> q+
13:19:58 <billroberts> ...as we define these kind of tasks, use them to help explain what we are doing
13:20:01 <joshlieberman> +1 to jtandy
13:20:02 <jtandy> s/unmutubg//
13:20:23 <billroberts> eparsons: there is some urgency as not many OGC TC meetings left during the chartered time of the SDW group
13:20:44 <eparsons> ack next
13:20:47 <billroberts> ...so frequent blog post idea will help match the tempo of this group to less frequent TC meetings
13:21:21 <jonblower> +1 to use of blog posts (also relevant LinkedIn groups). There are many more people who want to keep in touch with this stuff than can physically attend the TC meetings.
13:22:01 <billroberts> joshliebermann: supports jtandy's suggestion.  The GeoSPARQL example is a good one.  Currently topical at OGC. So a good first standards activity to jump on
13:22:06 <jtandy> +1 to joshlieberman
13:22:15 <Linda> q+
13:22:20 <eparsons> ack next
13:22:27 <billroberts> eparsons: should take advantage of Scott's offer of time at the TC plenary
13:22:32 <kerry> q+ re goesparql standard
13:22:53 <billroberts> Linda: have held SDW subgroup meetings at OGC.  Should I schedule one for the next OGC meeting?
13:23:02 <eparsons> ack next
13:23:03 <Zakim> kerry, you wanted to discuss goesparql standard
13:23:04 <billroberts> eparsons: good idea
13:23:19 <joshlieberman> +1 to Linda, especially as an ad hoc GeoSPARQL SWG session.
13:24:04 <eparsons> action linda to add sdw session to next ogc meeting
13:24:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Add sdw session to next ogc meeting [on Linda van den Brink - due 2016-04-20].
13:24:28 <billroberts> kerry: the work of SDW is crossing both standards organisations.  No objection to OGC picking up on GeoSPARQL, but how does that relate to W3C?
13:24:48 <billroberts> phila: it depends.  Might have to check with the W3 lawyer
13:25:17 <billroberts> ...interested in that kind of OGC activity but formally none of W3C business.  If discussed in SDW forum , then should probably be joint
13:25:48 <billroberts> ...example of it going other way: updated time ontology being developed under W3 auspices and is being 'given' to OGC
13:26:05 <billroberts> ...if there is a definite proposal, phila will check status
13:26:44 <billroberts> eparsons: Josh, where should a blog post go?
13:27:04 <billroberts> joshliebermann: there is a blog as part of the OGC website that Denise publicises
13:27:08 <phila> q+
13:27:15 <eparsons> ack next
13:27:26 <billroberts> action joshliebermann to draft a first blog post
13:27:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'joshliebermann'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
13:27:33 <billroberts> action joshlieberman to draft a first blog post
13:27:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Draft a first blog post [on Joshua Lieberman - due 2016-04-20].
13:27:43 <joshlieberman> only 1 "n" in lieberman
13:28:15 <billroberts> Yes, sorry Josh - I've been spelling your name consistently wrongly till now! will get it right from now on!
13:28:53 <billroberts> ScottSimmons: this group is unusual in its cross-cutting nature
13:28:59 <eparsons> Topic: GIScience Workshop Call for papers
13:29:20 <eparsons> http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sdw16/
13:29:31 <ted> ted has changed the topic to: 
13:29:31 <joshlieberman> http://www.opengeospatial.org/blog
13:29:39 <billroberts> eparsons: for information, Krystof has been organising a workshop in Montreal in September
13:30:11 <billroberts> ...covering spatial data on the web etc.  Ed invites group to submit relevant papers
13:30:40 <billroberts> ...timing of the research meeting may be too late to feed substantially into SDW deliverables, but a good chance to publicise our work and take it to a broadly academic audience
13:31:14 <eparsons> Topic: SSN Publication update
13:31:17 <billroberts> joshlieberman: challenge to people to take on some of the technical issues we have raised
13:32:03 <billroberts> kerry: SSN editors were hoping to get FPWD of SSN deliverable by end of April.  So would like to propose a vote on that in the next SDW plenary meeting in 2 weeks.
13:32:11 <billroberts> ...might not be possible but working towards it.
13:32:36 <billroberts> ...so kerry would like to highight to the group to pay close attention to progress in SSN subgroup so that they are well informed when it comes to a vote
13:33:09 <billroberts> ...so would like to draw attention to the current Github doc: [hunts for link]
13:33:23 <billroberts> eparsons: do you want specific feedabck in next two weeks?
13:33:27 <ahaller2> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
13:34:06 <billroberts> kerry: important issues (1) modularisation work, notably the approach to modularisation
13:34:53 <billroberts> ...and finally the list of issues, which is a statement of what the group plans to do before it finishes.  Would like feedback on priorities
13:35:20 <billroberts> ...and especially anything people disagree with
13:35:36 <phila> q+
13:35:39 <eparsons> ack next
13:36:11 <billroberts> phila: if the document is changing very rapidly, then it may be best to wait until rate of change has reduced before proposing it for FPWD
13:36:32 <billroberts> ...another week or two would help get it together before going to FPWD
13:36:50 <billroberts> kerry: thinks it will be moderately stable in a week, but may be ambitious
13:37:00 <billroberts> phila: that sounds fine
13:37:04 <ChrisLittle_> 17 issues currently
13:37:36 <billroberts> kerry: those issues will deliberately not be resolved before FPWD.  They are there to seek feedback
13:38:08 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160413
13:38:08 <jtandy> [I think that including scoping issues in the SSN draft is fine]
13:38:10 <phila> chair; Ed
13:38:13 <phila> chair: Ed
13:38:15 <billroberts> eparsons: that's very useful feedback from the SSN subgroup
13:38:18 <jtandy> q+
13:38:21 <eparsons> ack next
13:38:25 <billroberts> eparsons: any other subgroup leaders want to report?
13:39:05 <billroberts> jtandy: no BP group meeting last week.  Difficult to maintain momentum at the moment
13:39:40 <billroberts> ...focus is still ta make the narrative around the flooding scenario more concrete.  Several people who want to help but they may not be sure how to start
13:39:45 <phila> q+
13:39:54 <billroberts> ...so down to editors to provide more leadership on a plan of work
13:40:26 <billroberts> ...have talked about a next draft of BP at end of May, but that looks unlikely
13:40:35 <eparsons> ack next
13:40:41 <billroberts> ...though have identified useful OGC content that can help
13:41:24 <billroberts> phila: there is a reason the action tracker requires a specific person to be identified.  Suggests identifying specific tasks for specific people
13:41:48 <jtandy> [i agree with @phila!]
13:42:03 <eparsons> billroberts Coverage early days for subgroup
13:42:27 <phila> q+ to talk about progress in CEO-LD
13:42:28 <eparsons> billroberts email to list sent today has good summary
13:43:08 <eparsons> billroberts Scope focus on extracts of coverage
13:43:42 <eparsons> billroberts Need now to select solution - and criteria to select solution
13:43:58 <eparsons> ack next
13:43:59 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about progress in CEO-LD
13:44:26 <jonblower> q+ about EGU
13:44:36 <billroberts> phila: the Chinese part of the CEO-LD collaboration is making progress
13:44:39 <eparsons> ack next
13:44:39 <jtandy> +1 to to cool
13:44:54 <billroberts> ...and has a way of taking a GeoTIFF and converting it to CoverageJSON
13:44:56 <eparsons> ack next
13:45:11 <billroberts> jonblower: next week's scheduled coverage telecon is during the EGU meeting
13:45:33 <jtandy> +1 to see the presentations please
13:45:36 <billroberts> ...might be an opportunity for a face to face meeting if others are there
13:45:48 <billroberts> ...EGU is European Geoscience Union
13:46:35 <billroberts> ...will try to forward relevant presentations to this group and will aim to call in from the EGU meeting
13:46:47 <billroberts> eparsons: how mainstream is Jon's work for EGU?
13:47:06 <kerry> Action: jonblower to share EGU Austria presentations of relevance to us
13:47:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Share egu austria presentations of relevance to us [on Jon Blower - due 2016-04-20].
13:47:24 <billroberts> jonblower: EGU is 10-15,000 people so it's a niche interest, but within informatics track it's as mainstream as anything.  So definitely within scope
13:47:33 <eparsons> Topic : W3C TPAC and F2F in Lisbon
13:47:49 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings#TPAC_2015.2C_Lisbon
13:48:04 <phila> q+
13:48:11 <billroberts> eparsons: emphasises the value of attending the F2F meeting in Lisbon
13:48:16 <eparsons> ack next
13:48:31 <billroberts> ...and includes an opportunity to meet the broader W3C community
13:48:50 <billroberts> phila: there will also be remote access properly.  Please fill in the wiki page to help the planning process
13:49:06 <billroberts> ...other relevant groups meeting: automotive, web of things and many others
13:49:15 <billroberts> q+
13:49:20 <eparsons> ack next
13:49:55 <billroberts> phila: SDW F2F is the Monday and Tuesday.  Social meetup on Sunday afternoon for those who are there
13:50:30 <eparsons> Topic: Actions
13:50:33 <billroberts> joshlieberman: points out important typo! '2015' should read '2016'
13:50:43 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/open
13:51:14 <phila> action-25?
13:51:14 <trackbot> action-25 -- Jeremy Tandy to Help with glossary -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN
13:51:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25
13:51:15 <billroberts> eparsons: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25 on jtandy
13:51:34 <billroberts> jtandy: the dog ate my homework
13:51:57 <jonblower> can I close one of my actions via this IRC?
13:52:07 <phila> action-58?
13:52:07 <trackbot> action-58 -- Kerry Taylor to Keep in contact with wot re actuation -- due 2015-07-15 -- OPEN
13:52:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/58
13:52:28 <billroberts> kerry: this is a long term process and ongoing.  Was discussed in last meeting.  Keep it open
13:52:38 <jtandy> close action-105 as time expired
13:52:55 <phila> action-101?
13:52:55 <trackbot> action-101 -- Bill Roberts to Compile a list of geospatial vocabularies in rdf -- due 2015-11-25 -- OPEN
13:52:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/101
13:53:14 <phila> billroberts: There was some discussion on the mailing list. I should go through that and summarise
13:53:26 <phila> ... I will treat myself by wrapping that up in the next 2 weeks
13:54:24 <phila> action-105?
13:54:24 <trackbot> action-105 -- Jeremy Tandy to Provide clemensportele a list of further attributes required to describe each data format (relates to action 98) -- due 2015-12-02 -- OPEN
13:54:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/105
13:54:36 <phila> close action-105
13:54:36 <trackbot> Closed action-105.
13:54:46 <billroberts> jtandy: things have moved on, so no longer relevant
13:54:49 <phila> action-107?
13:54:49 <trackbot> action-107 -- Phil Archer to Propose some wording around https cf http -- due 2015-12-09 -- OPEN
13:54:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/107
13:55:36 <billroberts> phila: this has been discussed recently at W3.  Most browsers redirect http to https, but some don't
13:55:51 <billroberts> ...for now please share the http link
13:56:10 <jtandy> thanks to @phila for the clarification
13:56:11 <billroberts> ...assumption that http and https should deliver same content
13:56:13 <jtandy> YES
13:56:16 <kerry> q+
13:56:29 <jonblower> close action-145
13:56:29 <trackbot> Closed action-145.
13:56:32 <eparsons> ack next
13:58:02 <billroberts> kerry: how should we deliver content?  so still use http to refer to the link, even if there is no http (no-s) version available?
13:58:07 <billroberts> eparsons: yes
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13:58:37 <phila_> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html phila_
13:58:47 <billroberts> eparsons: next plenary in 2 weeks time.  Bye!
13:58:51 <RaulGarciaCastro> Bye
13:58:53 <phila_> Thanks billroberts
13:58:57 <billroberts> bye
13:58:58 <ahaller2> bye
13:58:58 <eparsons> bye everone !
13:59:02 <joshlieberman> bye
13:59:03 <ClemensPortele> bye
13:59:03 <kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
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13:59:11 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:59:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html kerry
13:59:16 <ChrisLittle_> bye
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15:51:37 <phila_> zakim, bye
15:51:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been eparsons, robin, ClemensPortele, ScottSimmons, billroberts, kerry, jonblower, ChrisLittle, jtandy, joshlieberman, ahaller2,
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15:51:44 <phila_> RRSAgent, bye
15:51:44 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-actions.rdf :
15:51:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jonblower to share EGU Austria presentations of relevance to us [1]
15:51:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-irc#T13-47-06