14:42:16 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #i18n
14:42:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-irc
14:42:21 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #i18n
14:42:26 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:42:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:42:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:42:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:42:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:42:31 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2016
14:49:52 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:49:56 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:49:59 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:50:17 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0011.html
14:50:24 <aphillip> Regrets: Steve, JcK
14:50:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:51:46 <fsasaki> fsasaki has joined #i18n
15:01:03 <aphillip> Present+ Felix
15:01:08 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
15:01:19 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
15:01:38 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
15:01:47 <aphillip> agenda+ (2) publication questions
15:01:58 <aphillip> agenda+ TR#20: What to do about it?
15:02:03 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod
15:03:11 <David> David has joined #I18n
15:04:38 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:07:07 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:07:09 <aphillip> agenda?
15:07:29 <aphillip> agenda+ process stuff
15:07:35 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:07:53 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:01 <aphillip> action-174?
15:08:01 <trackbot> action-174 -- Addison Phillips to Write article about floating times in HTML -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
15:08:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/174
15:08:03 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:14 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/FloatingTime
15:09:00 <aphillip> action-461?
15:09:00 <trackbot> action-461 -- Richard Ishida to Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not -- due 2015-09-10 -- OPEN
15:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/461
15:09:07 <aphillip> richard: should mark as closed
15:09:23 <aphillip> ... looked at another thing
15:09:26 <r12a> yes
15:09:29 <aphillip> we can hear david perfectly
15:09:31 <r12a> we hear you
15:09:58 <aphillip> richard: wrote to ebook list and www-international about quotes
15:10:22 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Apr/
15:10:44 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Apr/0022.html
15:12:29 <aphillip> close action-461
15:12:29 <trackbot> Closed action-461.
15:13:15 <aphillip> action-503?
15:13:15 <trackbot> action-503 -- Addison Phillips to Add unicode-xml to project radar -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
15:13:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/503
15:13:20 <aphillip> close action-503
15:13:20 <trackbot> Closed action-503.
15:14:00 <aphillip> Topic: Info Shhare
15:14:11 <aphillip> s/Shhare/Share/
15:14:23 <aphillip> felix: share progress xliff/its integration
15:14:31 <aphillip> ... xliff 2.1 finalizing in june
15:14:36 <aphillip> ... supports its 2.0
15:14:47 <aphillip> ... ITS-IG has helped move forward
15:15:22 <aphillip> agenda?
15:15:33 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:15:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "process stuff" taken up [from aphillip]
15:16:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:16:03 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0005.html
15:16:27 <aphillip> richard: echidna could work for docs not on req
15:16:37 <aphillip> ... can publish a Note as a Note, but not the WDs :-(
15:16:49 <aphillip> ... shook the cage a bit and maybe in 2-3 weeks could do that
15:17:04 <aphillip> ... meantime need WG agreement to publish using echidna
15:17:41 <aphillip> addison: (waxes enthusiastic)
15:17:48 <fsasaki> big +1
15:18:12 <David> +1
15:18:18 <aphillip> +1
15:18:20 <r12a> big +1
15:18:29 <aphillip> addison: (chair hat) so approved
15:18:44 <aphillip> there were no objections raised over email either
15:19:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:19:21 <aphillip> richard: send your comments by github and against latest dated version in TR
15:19:38 <aphillip> ... can't produce a dated version in github we thought
15:19:47 <aphillip> ... but possible to do for a specific commit
15:20:51 <fsasaki> [sorry, have to go, for this topic either way is fine for me]
15:22:44 <aphillip> richard: 2 scenarios
15:22:51 <aphillip> ... for charmod and clreq
15:22:58 <aphillip> ... TR far behind github
15:23:05 <aphillip> ... textis more up to date
15:23:08 <aphillip> ... closer to issues list
15:23:15 <aphillip> s/textis/text is/
15:23:25 <aphillip> richard: other scenario is unicode-xml
15:23:35 <aphillip> ... it's published as a Note and martin is making edits
15:23:42 <aphillip> ... very messy
15:24:29 <JcK> JcK has joined #i18n
15:25:38 <aphillip> addison:  only use TR for like FPWD or Last Call?
15:25:50 <aphillip> richard: well, the unicode-xml might be a different case
15:26:30 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:27:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:28:11 <aphillip> agenda?
15:31:34 <aphillip> zakim, delete agendum 6
15:31:34 <Zakim> agendum 6, whining, dropped
15:36:54 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:36:54 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charmod" taken up [from aphillip]
15:39:15 <aphillip> Topic: The "Quotation Thing"
15:39:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:39:26 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Apr/0013.html
15:39:48 <aphillip> richard: what do you do whne you have multiple nested quotes in multiple languages
15:39:56 <aphillip> ... clear if in one language
15:40:37 <aphillip> Mais Lucy répond: «Embrassez George de ma part - seulement une fois.  Dites-lui, ‹Embrouille.› ».
15:41:04 <aphillip> Mais Lucy répond: «Give George my love – once only. Tell him, 'Muddle.' ».
15:42:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:42:21 <aphillip> richard: sent do www-international and e-books
15:42:35 <aphillip> ... consensus so far is "if you start the para in say French, you use throughout"
15:42:44 <aphillip> ... avoids confusion
15:42:47 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Apr/0022.html
15:42:58 <aphillip> richard: just sent the above
15:43:12 <aphillip> ... how do you actually make happen
15:43:21 <aphillip> ... CSS and HTML don't produce this
15:43:32 <aphillip> ... wanted to get you thinking about this
15:43:47 <aphillip> ... what punct. goes where?
15:47:42 <aphillip> richard: "am I in a quotation" and then am I dealing with a q with a lang
15:47:57 <aphillip> ... if inside a quote and have a lang, then ignore it
15:48:08 <aphillip> ... not quite sure how to do that in css yet
15:48:52 <aphillip> addison: agenda next week to discuss?
15:49:09 <aphillip> action: addison: remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call
15:49:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-506 - Remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-04-14].
15:49:24 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:49:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Charmod" taken up [from aphillip]
15:49:42 <aphillip> richard: might have come through in my comments
15:49:53 <aphillip> ... not sure, putting some ideas out for feedback
15:50:02 <aphillip> ... starting to wonder if focus of document is clear
15:50:23 <aphillip> ... talking about confusables, is a problem...
15:50:31 <aphillip> ... but wondering how relevant
15:50:54 <aphillip> ... is our focus on the syntactic elements rather than the text content
15:51:11 <aphillip> ... findtext is bigger labyrinth
15:51:20 <aphillip> richard: other question in my mind
15:51:37 <aphillip> ... can see why users might expect visual vs. encoding
15:51:49 <aphillip> ... some many languages where you can expect that
15:56:52 <aphillip> addison: (expounds at length)
16:12:31 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:13:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:15:01 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:15:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Felix, Addison, Richard, JcK
16:15:01 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:15:05 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:15:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:15:08 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:15:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:15:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call [1]
16:15:08 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/07-i18n-irc#T15-49-09