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13:58:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:58:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:58:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:58:18 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2016
13:58:29 <shawn> agenda?
14:03:05 <shawn> Chair: Jim
14:03:07 <shawn> Present+
14:03:12 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-lvtf-minutes.html shawn
14:06:43 <allanj> agneda?
14:07:28 <shawn> agenda?
14:08:27 <allanj> Agenda+ Legibility and Readability and ???
14:08:38 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 34: Scope question
14:08:50 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 38: re-word 3.1.1.
14:08:57 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 39: color wheel image locations
14:09:02 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 40: 3.3.2 fonts
14:09:08 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 41 3.3.3 - avoid italics
14:09:15 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 42 3.5.1 - poor example illustration
14:09:24 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 45 Note to tool developers not a user need - delete or edit?
14:09:30 <allanj> Agenda+ Issue 43 figure descriptions
14:09:54 <shawn> agenda 2 = Legibility and Readability and ??? Issue 37: https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/37  draft Note & paragraph https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#user-needs
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14:30:28 <shawn> present+ Jim, Wayne, JohnRockford
14:30:34 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:30:34 <Zakim> Present: shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRockford
14:31:00 <shawn> shawn has changed the topic to: WebEX https://mit.webex.com/mit/e.php?MTID=m865d07f18564023c0b100df85eb0a694   meeting number 649 045 716  password lvtfnow
14:31:06 <ScottM> Working on getting on the phone
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14:31:59 <shawn> s/Working on getting on the phone//
14:32:35 <allanj> regrets: Jeanne
14:32:37 <shawn> present+ScottMcCormack
14:33:15 <shawn> present+ Alan
14:33:20 <AWK> +AWK
14:33:24 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:33:24 <Zakim> Present: shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRockford, AWK, ScottMcCormack, Alan
14:34:11 <AWK> present- JohnRockford
14:34:20 <AWK> present+ JohnRochford
14:34:56 <allanj> scribe: wayne
14:35:38 <Wayne> zakim, take up item 1
14:35:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Availability for Upcoming LVTF Teleconferences <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/LVTF-telecons/>" taken up [from shawn-off]
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14:38:50 <laura> + Laura
14:39:45 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:39:45 <Zakim> Present: shawn, Jim, Wayne, AWK, ScottMcCormack, Alan, JohnRochford, Laura
14:39:57 <shawn> q+
14:40:05 <shawn> ack me
14:40:53 <allanj> close item 1
14:41:15 <Wayne> zakim, take up item 2
14:41:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Legibility and Readability and ??? Issue 37: https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/37  draft Note & paragraph
14:41:17 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#user-needs" taken up
14:41:31 <allanj> topic: Legibility
14:41:55 <allanj> scribe: allanj
14:42:33 <allanj> wayne: legibility and navigation. Half of user requirements are legibility.
14:42:44 <allanj> ... 4 points
14:43:00 <allanj> ... 1 recognize something - eye test
14:43:21 <allanj> ... 2 acuity limit - can read - lots of errors
14:43:49 <allanj> ... 3 font - line spacing - read at max speed with few errors
14:45:21 <allanj> ... 4 duration (fatigue) - read at speed, with few errors, for long time to get work done.
14:46:26 <allanj> scribe: wayne
14:49:15 <shawn> draft https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#user-needs
14:49:24 <shawn> the Notes and the paragrpah under it
14:50:31 <allanj> scott: folks have different triggers for fatigue. how do we provide technical guidance
14:50:38 <allanj> scribe: allanj
14:50:51 <shawn> long version: https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/37
14:50:55 <allanj> shawn: see first paragraph
14:51:50 <allanj> wayne: legibility based on vision issue and how individuals deal with it
14:52:31 <allanj> shawn: refine long version as a separate piece.
14:52:54 <allanj> ... is the note and paragraph sufficient in the requirements?
14:53:32 <allanj> wayne: note and para are ok
14:54:19 <laura> https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#h-note1
14:56:14 <allanj> scott: is distinguishing between similarly colored items covered
14:56:19 <JohnRochford_> +1 to info in section "3. User Needs" being sufficient
14:56:45 <allanj> wayne: that is covered under element level styling, so user can configure colors
14:57:39 <Wayne> +1
14:57:45 <allanj> +1
14:57:48 <laura> +1
14:57:58 <shawn> Scott: looks good to me
14:57:59 <shawn> +1
14:58:01 <AWK> +1
14:58:15 <shawn> +1 (possibly with minor copy editing)
14:58:24 <shawn> Alan: looks good to me
14:59:37 <allanj> RESOLUTION: Note and para. after covering legibility approved 	https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#h-note1
14:59:45 <allanj> scribe: wayne
14:59:58 <Wayne> zakim, close item 2
14:59:58 <Zakim> agendum 2, Legibility and Readability and ??? Issue 37: https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/37  draft Note & paragraph
15:00:00 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/user_need-legibility/requirements.html#user-needs, closed
15:00:00 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:00:00 <Zakim> 3. Issue 34: Scope question [from allanj]
15:00:06 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/34
15:00:09 <Wayne> zakim, take up item 3
15:00:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue 34: Scope question" taken up [from allanj]
15:00:19 <allanj> Topic: Scope Issue 34
15:01:29 <AWK> q+
15:01:45 <Wayne> allenj: There are many definitions of electronic content. Do we make one.
15:01:56 <shawn> q+
15:02:00 <shawn> ack a
15:02:26 <shawn> q+ to say web content, elec content, WCAg2ICT
15:02:30 <Wayne> AWK: every thing will be in the context of WCAG. We should take the WCAG definition.
15:02:35 <shawn> ack me
15:02:35 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say web content, elec content, WCAg2ICT
15:03:17 <Wayne> Shawn: There is web content, electronic content (broader than web). We talked about broader than web content.
15:03:23 <laura> WCAG: content (Web content) defintion: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#contentdef
15:03:24 <ScottM> +1 AWK
15:03:44 <allanj> -1 to defining 'electronic content'
15:03:52 <Wayne> ... Do we need to define it. There are lots of reasons not too. Should we not define it.
15:04:32 <shawn> WCAG2ICT "WCAG... can be applied to non-web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT)"
15:04:40 <shawn> -1 to defining 'electronic content'
15:04:48 <Wayne> JohnR: Does it relate to the web of things. Can we define it in that way. it it is connected to the web. Yes/No
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15:05:18 <Wayne> allenj: Do we not define electronic content and move on.
15:06:04 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: The group deciided not to define electronic content.
15:06:22 <Wayne> zakim, close item 3
15:06:22 <Zakim> agendum 3, Issue 34: Scope question, closed
15:06:23 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:23 <Zakim> 4. Issue 38: re-word 3.1.1. [from allanj]
15:06:40 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/38
15:06:43 <jon_avila> present+jon_avila
15:07:05 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:05 <Zakim> Present: shawn, Jim, Wayne, AWK, ScottMcCormack, Alan, JohnRochford, Laura, jon_avila
15:08:25 <allanj> topic: Issue 38 re-word 3.1.1 brightness vs. contrast
15:08:26 <Wayne> Shawn: Is being able to increase brightness over all a special low vision need.
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15:09:03 <Wayne> Scott: We need to say both issues are possible within the spectrum.
15:09:57 <Wayne> AllenJ: Even when contrast is high, and then they set brightness up. There is a combination of the two.
15:10:40 <jon_avila> +1
15:10:55 <Wayne> Scott: For me the brighter the better.
15:10:55 <shawn> no objection to adding it
15:10:57 <laura> +1
15:11:00 <Wayne> +1
15:11:15 <Wayne> Wayne: For me the dimmer the better.
15:11:42 <ScottM> We want to drive home that there is a wide spectrum and flexibility is key'
15:11:48 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: Edit 3.1.1 to include brightness.
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15:12:29 <Wayne> zakim, close item 4
15:12:29 <Zakim> agendum 4, Issue 38: re-word 3.1.1., closed
15:12:30 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:12:30 <Zakim> 5. Issue 39: color wheel image locations [from allanj]
15:12:38 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/39
15:13:12 <Wayne> AllanJ: The color wheel may be duplicated.
15:13:34 <allanj> topic: Issue 39: color wheel images
15:13:35 <Wayne> ... Leave it as is.
15:14:11 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: Leave the color whels images as is.
15:14:35 <Wayne> zakim, close item 5
15:14:35 <Zakim> agendum 5, Issue 39: color wheel image locations, closed
15:14:36 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:14:36 <Zakim> 6. Issue 40: 3.3.2 fonts [from allanj]
15:15:17 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/40
15:16:09 <Wayne> AllenJ: Use of serif fonts and different font families.
15:16:14 <ScottM> +1 Shawn
15:19:50 <shawn> q+
15:19:59 <allanj> s/Allenj/Allanj
15:20:00 <shawn> q+ to say best practice & comic sans and that's the point
15:20:29 <shawn> ack me
15:20:29 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say best practice & comic sans and that's the point
15:20:32 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#font
15:20:54 <Wayne> Discussion: Use clean fonts. This is similar contrast minimum.
15:21:52 <ScottM> +1 Shawn
15:22:08 <Wayne> Shawn: the user can choose for many fonts are variable.  A single font might be a best practice.
15:22:10 <JohnRochford_> +1 to Shawn's last commentary
15:22:35 <Wayne> Alan: This seems latin letter specific.
15:23:20 <Wayne> allanJ: I can ping about different alphabets.
15:23:45 <ScottM> +1 for putting in best practice
15:23:46 <shawn> s/ the user can choose for many fonts are variable.  A single font might be a best practice./The User Need is that people can pick a font that works for them. Making the default font a clean one is a best practice  or technique
15:23:54 <Wayne> ... do we need to change our user needs?
15:24:30 <allanj> +1 putting this issue in best practice document
15:24:34 <JohnRochford_> +1 for putting in best practice
15:24:34 <Wayne> Alan: WCAG 2.0 many things aer tchniques etc.
15:24:54 <allanj> s/aer/are
15:25:28 <ScottM> Entering Microsoft license keys
15:25:31 <ScottM> :)
15:25:45 <laura> +1 for putting in best practice
15:26:09 <JohnRochford_> Gotta go, folks. Ciao.
15:27:05 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: Leave section 3.3.2 as it and cover specific fonts in best practice.
15:28:27 <shawn> [Wayne presentation for CCLV used APH font - and a lot of people didn't like it. switch to verdana and was better.]
15:29:09 <Wayne> zakim, close item 6
15:29:09 <Zakim> agendum 6, Issue 40: 3.3.2 fonts, closed
15:29:10 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:29:10 <Zakim> 7. Issue 41 3.3.3 - avoid italics [from allanj]
15:29:19 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/41
15:29:37 <allanj> Topic: 3.3.3 Avoid italics Issue 41
15:33:35 <Wayne> JonA: This should be two items: You should avoid italic and you need to be able to change font style semantically.
15:33:45 <ScottM> +1 JonA
15:34:07 <Wayne> ... Style should convey meaning instead of for semantic reasons.
15:35:25 <shawn> q+
15:36:40 <shawn> q+ to say 1. comment resolution, 2. style (3.3.3) & element-level points need attention
15:36:42 <shawn> ack me
15:36:42 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say 1. comment resolution, 2. style (3.3.3) & element-level points need attention
15:36:50 <Wayne>    There are semantic meaning that are assigned to meeaning. italic emphasizes it and bold emphasizes it more. Using something for look alone is confusing and difficult.
15:37:19 <Wayne> Shawn: Avoind the use of italics when possible.
15:37:35 <Wayne> ... 3.3.3 needs work.
15:37:37 <allanj> s/Avoind/Avoid
15:37:57 <shawn> s/Avoind the use of italics when possible./ /
15:38:12 <shawn> s/Avoid the use of italics when possible./ /
15:38:50 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: Leave 3.3.3. Cover italics in best practices.
15:38:53 <shawn> ack me
15:40:22 <shawn> q+
15:40:50 <allanj> wayne: italic for citation or book title. italic usage semantics
15:41:12 <shawn> open issue for for LVTF comment https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/labels/question
15:41:17 <Wayne> Shawn: List of open issues see above.
15:42:05 <Wayne> trackbot, end meeting
15:42:05 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:42:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRockford, AWK, ScottMcCormack, Alan, JohnRochford, Laura, jon_avila
15:42:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:42:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/06-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
15:42:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:42:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items