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15:01:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
15:01:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:01:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
15:01:14 <trackbot> Date: 23 March 2016
15:01:34 <eparsons> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:01:54 <eparsons> ClemensPortele you should be able to get the code now
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15:06:42 <phila> zakim, code?
15:06:42 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW BP https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m21f337caa6fb0e9933f1663cadc10141 pw: sdwbp or Dial +1-617-324-0000, access code 643 407 318
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15:09:24 <AndreaPerego> zakim, code?
15:09:24 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW BP https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m21f337caa6fb0e9933f1663cadc10141 pw: sdwbp or Dial +1-617-324-0000, access code 643 407 318
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15:12:07 <billroberts> yep
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15:13:11 <ClemensPortele> regrets+ Rachel, Bart
15:13:11 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:13:17 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:13:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-sdwbp-minutes.html phila
15:13:41 <ClemensPortele> scribe: ClemensPortele
15:13:43 <phila> Chair: jtandy
15:14:05 <jtandy> PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/03/09-sdwbp-minutes
15:14:09 <jtandy> +1
15:14:12 <eparsons> +1
15:14:15 <MattPerry> +1
15:14:17 <billroberts> +1
15:14:23 <ClausStadler> +0 (missed the meeting)
15:14:23 <Linda> +1
15:14:30 <ClemensPortele> RESOLVED
15:14:33 <phila> +1
15:14:38 <jtandy> RESOLUTION: approve last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/03/09-sdwbp-minutes
15:14:38 <joshlieberman> +1
15:14:52 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:14:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-sdwbp-minutes.html phila
15:14:53 <ClemensPortele> Topic: Patent Call
15:15:03 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
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15:16:03 <ClemensPortele> Linda: wants to discuss meeting time when DST starts in Europe
15:16:19 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
15:16:23 <ClemensPortele> Linda: Would be 5-6pm and 1-2 hours earlier would be better
15:16:29 <joshlieberman> UTC?
15:17:02 <jtandy> PROPOSED: new meeting time @ Wed 13:00 UTC
15:17:10 <jtandy> +1
15:17:11 <eparsons> +1
15:17:15 <ClemensPortele> +1
15:17:18 <joshlieberman> +1
15:17:20 <MattPerry> +1
15:17:24 <Linda> +1
15:17:24 <ClausStadler> +1
15:17:25 <billroberts> 0 - can do either time equally
15:17:25 <AndreaPerego> +1
15:17:30 <joshlieberman> Any potential West Coasters?
15:17:42 <jtandy> RESOLUTION: new meeting time @ Wed 13:00 UTC
15:17:42 <joshlieberman> (of US)
15:19:46 <ClemensPortele> TOPIC: Work through flooding scenario from an actor perspective
15:19:58 <jtandy> For each of the actors, work through the flooding scenario (see BP Narrative) to determine how they interact with spatial information - as a publisher or consumer - in order to flesh out the scenario further and [begin to] define the examples we will need
15:20:15 <phila> agenda: www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160323
15:20:40 <joshlieberman> My sense from the last meeting minutes is that use of the Web in the scenario has not been sufficiently explicit.
15:20:53 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: at the previous call, there was general agreement to use the scenario to restructure the best practices
15:21:16 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: ... potentially merging some of the best practices
15:21:22 <Linda> +1
15:21:23 <eparsons> q+
15:21:29 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: do we all agree about this approach?
15:21:50 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: not completely convinced about the merging
15:22:30 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: ... narrative and the best practices could also be read separately in isolation
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15:23:19 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: so the primer may tell a story from a perspective that links bps
15:23:38 <ClemensPortele> (seems to be agreed)
15:24:10 <joshlieberman> q+
15:24:30 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: we probably do not need to make a decision now
15:24:31 <jtandy> ack next
15:24:35 <jtandy> ack jtandy
15:24:39 <jtandy> ack joshlieberman
15:25:08 <ScottSimmons> zakim, code?
15:25:08 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW BP https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m21f337caa6fb0e9933f1663cadc10141 pw: sdwbp or Dial +1-617-324-0000, access code 643 407 318
15:25:17 <phila> joshlieberman: I agree that merging doesn't necessarily make sense. We can work on the narrative and make reference to the BPs as we go along.
15:25:57 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: agrees that the idea of merging does not make sense, but working on the narrative with links to the bp will provide context to a bp to see if it works (going from the narrative to the practice)
15:26:26 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: ok, so we may end up with two different sections in the document
15:26:47 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: another quibble is that the Web is not really part of the narrative
15:27:32 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: agrees about this, the narrative is currently lightweight
15:27:56 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: ... with more text the Web aspect should be included, too
15:28:40 <ClemensPortele> Linda: Bart could not join today
15:29:13 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: Let's follow up with Bart
15:29:43 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: time and uncertainty aspects related to predictions should be added
15:30:20 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: also proximity to the predicted flood extent
15:30:30 <jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative
15:31:05 <jtandy> ACTION: joshlieberman to add thoughts about flood prediction to the narrative at https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative
15:31:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Add thoughts about flood prediction to the narrative at https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/bp_narrative [on Joshua Lieberman - due 2016-03-30].
15:31:23 <jtandy> ACTORS:
15:31:25 <jtandy> professional spatial data publisher
15:31:25 <jtandy> other professionals using this data
15:31:25 <jtandy> citizens using social media
15:31:25 <jtandy> web/app developers
15:31:26 <jtandy> journalists
15:31:26 <jtandy> emergecny responders
15:31:27 <jtandy> citizens who are in danger of being flooded
15:31:43 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: look at the narrative from the actor's perspective
15:32:05 <jtandy> 7 actors
15:32:46 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: 7 actors, eparsons and Rachel offered to take one role
15:33:04 <eparsons> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yVvmwK7kcT9PN7ai2unhvQH_hINGaQBIst4P9WTe4UM/edit?usp=sharing
15:33:31 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: is this the right approach to take?
15:34:26 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: keep it snappy and do not make a long story, just to provide context so readers can emphasize
15:34:47 <jtandy> in terms of level of detail: "does the narrative provide enough information to see if my problem is the same as the one described in the BP"
15:35:09 <Linda> q+
15:35:28 <jtandy> "can you recognise these problems as your problems"
15:35:39 <jtandy> ack Linda
15:35:49 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: question is whether the connection between the narrative, the problem and the bp is understandable
15:36:21 <ClemensPortele> Linda: looking at eparsons's text, maybe take some parts out and rather put it in the bp text
15:36:39 <ClemensPortele> Linda: ... examples are good, looks good in general
15:36:51 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: any other thoughts?
15:37:09 <jtandy> [eparsons also said that we need to have the narrative and best practices grounded in reality]
15:37:16 <Linda> Some info could fit into the 'why' section of one of the BP's. But as editor I don't mind cutting and pasting.
15:37:34 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: this will be more complicated for some of the other actors
15:38:42 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: what is described how information could be found via search engines - in contrast how it works today in sdis
15:39:24 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: ... or in unstructured text only
15:39:58 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: in one of the last meetings we discussed how do we talk about "less than 5 star data"
15:40:11 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: ... this is probably two star
15:40:43 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: yes, and we should not require everyone to jump to 5 stars directly
15:40:50 <billroberts> q+
15:41:12 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: ... eg without the need to develop an ontology first
15:41:18 <jtandy> ack billroberts
15:42:21 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: likes the idea of web pages, but a lot of the time the location of all of the schools may be needed
15:42:45 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: ... so different ways are useful for different types of use cases
15:43:24 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: ... support multiple ways to support multiple use cases
15:44:18 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: one bp is to support (multiple) formats for multiple user communities
15:44:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
15:44:38 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: but it does not go far enough
15:45:39 <eparsons> q+
15:45:41 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: ... format does not differentiate the different representations and service interfaces
15:45:52 <Linda> q+
15:46:14 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: ... eg an image from a WMS vs data from a SOS or SensorThings API
15:46:44 <jtandy> ack eparsons
15:47:24 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: agrees with joshlieberman and billroberts. Another actor: the data integrator which does heavy lifting.
15:48:08 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: ... this should not be the task of the data publisher so the we do not overload them and need to take the motivation into account
15:48:51 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: do you think there are sets of best practices for data integrators or "power data publishers"?
15:49:00 <phila> q+ to talk briefly about http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#MultipleFormats
15:49:27 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: yes, but focus on the narrative now and see who is missing
15:49:33 <billroberts> q+
15:50:27 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: need to work out from the narrative that something on the map image is the same thing as some JSON-LD object
15:51:05 <ClemensPortele> joshlieberman: in WMS: GetFeatureInfo makes the link
15:51:19 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: currently nothing in the narrative that ties things together?
15:52:18 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: joshlieberman, could you add something about this in the narrative?
15:53:09 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: billroberts, would you be able to add something about spatial analysis (ie another professional user) into the narrative?
15:53:31 <billroberts> sure, will do
15:54:18 <jtandy> ack Linda
15:54:44 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: to clarify joshlieberman's action: professional user to reconcile information in a map with some crowd-sourced data
15:55:52 <ClemensPortele> Linda: will provide an update on the Geonovum testbed with recommended practices
15:56:02 <jtandy> ack phila
15:56:02 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk briefly about http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#MultipleFormats
15:56:09 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#MultipleFormats
15:56:11 <ClemensPortele> Linda: ... and content negotiation is not always the answer
15:56:31 <jtandy> q?
15:56:55 <ClemensPortele> phila: the dwbp covers the general topic (see the link above)
15:57:29 <ClemensPortele> phila: I have another topic for the next call [which the scribe has missed ;)]
15:57:41 <jtandy> ack billroberts
15:57:44 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#EnableDataSubsetting Draft subsetting BP
15:57:52 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: subsetting will discussed in the coverage call
15:59:02 <ClemensPortele> billroberts: metadata in a web page will work for certain use cases (like a school director), but may work less good for others eg the director of a railway company that wants to publish all their railway stations
15:59:44 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: two types of professional users - one with single entities and one with many entities
15:59:54 <ClemensPortele> eparsons: and the answer is never a spreadsheet
16:00:16 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-sdwbp-minutes.html phila
16:00:58 <eparsons> thanks all
16:01:02 <eparsons> bye
16:01:03 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
16:01:04 <ClemensPortele> jtandy: please indicate on the wiki if you can take the role of an actor
16:01:09 <billroberts> bye
16:01:10 <joshlieberman> bye
16:01:10 <ClausStadler> thanks, bye
16:01:13 <Linda> bye
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16:01:27 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-sdwbp-minutes.html phila
16:04:06 <phila> Agenda: www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160323
16:04:26 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160323
16:04:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:04:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/23-sdwbp-minutes.html phila