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16:18:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:18:45 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2016
16:18:50 <Rich> chair: Rich
16:19:05 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log public
16:23:46 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Mar/0124.html
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16:29:48 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl Fred_Esch Ja_Eun_Ku Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:30:51 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Mar/0124.html
16:32:17 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:37:27 <Rich> scribe: jongund
16:38:06 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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16:38:36 <Rich> Topic: Technical Plenary
16:38:39 <Rich> Technical Plenary - 2016 (September 19-23; Lisbon, Portugal). Who will be able to attend?
16:38:48 <joanie> I will be there.
16:38:51 <jongund> RS: WHois coming?
16:39:00 <jongund> CS: I can come
16:39:11 <jongund> MB: I can come
16:39:18 <Rich> I will try
16:39:20 <jongund> FE: I can
16:39:22 <jongund> RS: I am
16:39:29 <jongund> MK: Maybe
16:39:39 <jongund> JG: no
16:39:50 <jongund> MC: Yes
16:40:10 <jamesn> JN: I will try - if i can get approvals
16:40:17 <jongund> RS: We have enough to do real work
16:40:27 <joanie> JD: I will definitely be there
16:40:53 <jongund> MC: Definiateley, I was assuming, the main question is who we want to meet with
16:41:12 <jongund> RS: I am hoping september we will be well into testing
16:41:22 <jongund> RS: We need to hook up with web apps
16:41:35 <jongund> RS: CS what is going on with the community group
16:41:43 <jongund> CS: Not a whole lot
16:41:57 <jongund> RS: What to do something joint?
16:42:05 <jongund> CS: Let me get back to you on that
16:42:44 <jongund> RS: What are we going to do on personalization, if media queries are off the table, then we need an API
16:42:51 <jongund> CS: What type?
16:43:33 <jongund> RS: In order for us to address cognitive im[airments we need to know what the user needs, this can be done other ways but we need something from the browser
16:44:01 <jongund> RS: We need to detect things like S/N are low and captions are needed
16:44:17 <jongund> RS: Smarter apps need more information
16:44:30 <jongund> RS: Doesn't mean that the API comes out of this group
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16:44:46 <jongund> CS: I am not sure rosen is the right person
16:44:55 <jongund> RS: I need to setup a page
16:45:03 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
16:45:15 <jongund> MC: There is a survey of chairs what they are planning for there working group
16:46:06 <jongund> RS: We can split things with the ....
16:46:37 <jongund> MC: You and JS coordinate on meeting schedule
16:46:44 <jongund> RS: JS needs to be there the whole week
16:47:11 <jongund> MK: If ARIA can be Thursday and Friday it would be better for me
16:47:31 <jongund> RS: I don't have a problem
16:47:45 <jongund> CS: I will be their the whole week
16:48:00 <jongund> JN: It is in September
16:48:32 <jongund> RS: RS: I will ask for thursday and friday
16:48:44 <jongund> MC: You need to fill out the survey
16:49:38 <jongund> RS: There will be no ARIA working group meeting March 24th
16:49:47 <clown> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/
16:50:03 <jongund> RS: Where is JG on the testing
16:50:28 <janina> present+ janina
16:50:56 <mck> scribe: matt_king
16:51:24 <mck> TOPIC: ARIA 1.1 test effort
16:51:55 <mck> rs: Michael has created exit criteria identifiying aria 1.1 changes
16:52:10 <mck> rs: defines what is needed for test statements
16:53:05 <mck> rs: We need people who have volunteered to write test statements
16:53:18 <clown> q+ to ask if the exit criteria delimits what needs to be tested.
16:53:18 <mck> rs: It is a bit of an art to do it.
16:53:52 <MichaelC> draft status for CR with exit criteria: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/CR-pub/aria/aria.html#sotd
16:54:11 <mck> jg: In this round, things that have not changed from 1.0, will they be tested?
16:54:35 <mck> rs: Right, however, we have a new col in AAM for UIA
16:54:38 <clown> Zakim, ack me
16:54:38 <Zakim> clown, you wanted to ask if the exit criteria delimits what needs to be tested.
16:54:40 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:54:56 <mck> So, we need to test all aria features for Edge , including 1.0
16:55:16 <mck> CS: We are automating that and making good progress.
16:55:41 <mck> Joanie: I have added about 200 assertions to webkit
16:55:56 <mck> Fred and I need to talk for SVG
16:56:27 <mck> RS: Joanie, do you we can automate IA2 or Ma?
16:57:04 <mck> CS: Should be easy to port the UIA automated testing to other platforms; will be able to say more in a couple weeks.
16:57:22 <mck> Joanie: I will look into Mac
16:57:47 <mck> rs: Has MS created 1.1 test cases, or just 1.0?
16:57:47 <MichaelC> q+ to note DPub also starting to think test cases
16:58:02 <mck> CS: we have done some of 1.1
16:58:15 <mck> RS: can you shar with JF?
16:58:24 <mck> s/shar/share/
16:58:50 <mck> rs: Have we heard more from Alex about IA2 Express?
16:58:59 <mck> CS: No
16:59:40 <mck> RS: I don't think we are going to need that if we go to common mappings in the future; not good use of time.
16:59:56 <clown> s/IA2 Express/MSAA UIA Express/
17:00:28 <mck> rs: The exit criteria section includes everything we need testable statements for
17:01:19 <mck> RS: Where is CRPub? Can we get it with git pull?
17:01:31 <mck> MC: Us git sync
17:01:55 <mck> rs: John circle back with cynthia and JF's team.
17:02:10 <mck> CS: can we talk about it at CSUN?
17:02:24 <jongund> TOPIC: Combobox
17:02:48 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action1490-combobox/aria/aria.html#combobox
17:02:53 <jongund> MK: Jaws versions causing crashing problems
17:03:36 <jongund> MK: Action 1490 branch
17:04:07 <jongund> MK: To make this time most useful, I would like to go through the changes from discussion at least weeks meeting
17:04:46 <jongund> MK: I want to go through this section of without discussing everything anout tree, gird and dialog
17:05:14 <jongund> MK: The first think is that you didn't like listbox being a popup
17:05:27 <jongund> RS: I think that's good
17:05:46 <jongund> MK: Second paragraph is all about the test box element
17:06:26 <jongund> MK: I think every body agrees it should be a single line text box
17:06:40 <jongund> RS: A textbox by default is single line
17:06:58 <jongund> MK: We need to explicitly define it is single line
17:07:09 <jongund> JS: Or you could say line terminators
17:07:21 <jongund> MK: I think it is OK the way it is
17:07:37 <jongund> MK: Next is about expand collapse
17:08:03 <jongund> MK: We elevated this from should to must, put on textbox element
17:08:43 <jongund> MK: When a combobox is expanded, authors MUST ensure it contains or owns an element that has a role of listbox, tree, grid, or dialog. This element is the combobox popup. Elements with the role combobox have an implicit aria-haspopup value of true.
17:09:01 <jongund> RS: exapnd goes on the combobox
17:09:06 <jongund> MK Correct
17:09:17 <jongund> MK: The fourth one is about focus...
17:09:48 <jongund> MK: Authors should put focus on the textbox, authors should move focus....
17:10:01 <jongund> MK: To be keyboard accessible, authors SHOULD manage focus of descendants for all instances of this role, as described in Managing Focus. When a combobox receives focus, authors SHOULD ensure focus is placed on the textbox element. Authors SHOULD provide keyboard mechanisms for moving focus to and from the textbox element and the pop-up. For example, one common convention is that Down Arrow...
17:10:03 <jongund> ...moves focus from the text input to the first focusable descendant of the pop-up element. If the popup element supports aria-activedescendant, authors MAY specify a value for aria-activedescendant on the textbox element that refers to a descendant of the popup element.
17:11:11 <jongund> MK: ARIA activedescendant can point to the element in the list box that it owns
17:11:23 <jongund> RS: They could put it on the combobox?
17:11:37 <jongund> MK: The listbox does not have focus
17:12:01 <jongund> RS: When you say it maybe on the textbox or the list
17:12:27 <jongund> MK: If you put DOM focus on the listbox it meets the current requirement
17:12:42 <jongund> MK: They can put DOM focus on the UL element
17:12:58 <jongund> RS: You don't think authors will get  confused
17:13:14 <jongund> MK: In this particular spec language
17:13:28 <jongund> RS: I understand it, but new users might get confused
17:13:32 <Rich> q?
17:13:39 <jongund> CS: I have another question
17:13:46 <MichaelC> ack me
17:13:46 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to note DPub also starting to think test cases
17:13:57 <jongund> MK: Maybe in the last sentence I can add
17:14:46 <jongund> MK: It starts with if the element the author wants to keep focus on the textbox .....
17:14:56 <jongund> RS: We have people on the cue
17:15:25 <jongund> MC: Deque is testing accessibility API mappings
17:15:51 <jongund> CS: So would you expect autocomplete on Google or bing would use this pattern
17:16:25 <bgaraventa1979> +q
17:16:26 <jongund> MK: I am not familiar with bing, but they should work with facebook and google
17:16:38 <jongund> CS: You think of them as comboboxes?
17:16:56 <jongund> MK: If you want to talk about the definition of combobox
17:17:04 <jongund> CS: That is not where I was going
17:17:21 <jongund> MK: I wrote it in broad terms about down  arrow....
17:18:05 <jongund> CS: There is a feature in Narrator that if can a textbox or autocompelete, but if there could be an aria-controls
17:18:50 <jongund> MK: The AT vendors wanted some siblings relationship, they didn't care about controls, if it is an authoring requirement..
17:19:11 <jongund> CS: If it is an authoring practices and examples it will most likely be there
17:19:36 <jongund> MK: We don;'t have aria-controls on grids for sorting
17:19:52 <jongund> RS: I don't think it is alot of work
17:20:27 <jongund> MK: It is a decision related to making is easier for authors or for ATs
17:21:06 <jongund> CS: It this author doesn't use autocomplete then there is DOM inspection that is fragile
17:21:16 <jongund> CS: autocomplete is a may
17:21:46 <jongund> MK: There are plenty of examples where autocomplete is not needed
17:22:18 <jongund> MK: The main thing for the browser is that it is in the expanded state that there are two controls, that is a must
17:22:30 <jongund> CS: I need a controller relationship
17:22:50 <jongund> MK: Your advocating an author should for aria-controls
17:23:06 <jongund> CS: On the listbox and listbox
17:23:19 <jongund> RS: Or anything that is open
17:23:30 <jongund> RS: The textbox could be a search box
17:23:41 <jongund> MK: Good point I forgot the search role
17:24:05 <jongund> MK: The way it is written it is OK, searchbox is a descendant of textbox
17:24:19 <jongund> RS: I think we need to make that explicit
17:24:30 <jongund> RS: We are running  out of time
17:24:54 <jongund> RS: I don't have a problem with this, but I don't think you want a controls for a switch
17:25:07 <jongund> MK There is an author must...
17:26:12 <Rich> q?
17:26:12 <jongund> MK: Is everything is OK with the example, we have consensus on anything else
17:26:19 <Rich> q+
17:26:20 <jongund> JS: I sent an editorial comment
17:26:45 <clown> mck:  my editorial suggestions are here:  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Mar/0191.html
17:26:51 <jongund> BG: COuld I get an answer to the questions I asked earlier today
17:27:03 <jongund> MK: I have not got to the email yet
17:27:15 <jongund> RS: I think we need to tightened
17:27:26 <jongund> MK: This is not wide open
17:27:52 <jongund> MK: We have an author must statement, on exactly on how it should be constructed
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17:28:21 <jongund> RS: Authors must have owns...., I guess it is in two separate sentences
17:28:38 <jongund> RS: Is everyone OK with the dialog box
17:28:47 <joanie> q+
17:28:53 <jongund> MK: CSUN is a good place to talk about this
17:29:22 <jongund> RS: I am not a big fan of dialog box, there are some people who are not comfortable with it
17:30:09 <joanie> q-
17:30:09 <jongund> MK: We want to limit unnecessary role proliferation, I am happy we have made this much progress, ....
17:30:13 <jamesn> Date picker is an example of dialog right?
17:30:19 <jongund> TOPIC: Action 1743
17:30:24 <clown> action-1743
17:30:24 <trackbot> action-1743 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Put aria-activedescendant on application and request wg review -- due 2016-02-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:30:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1743
17:30:56 <jongund> RS: Putting aria-activedescendant on role=application
17:31:14 <jongund> JOANIE: I ahve not done anything with this
17:31:28 <jongund> MK: Can we put that on the agenda for after CSUN
17:31:39 <jongund> RS: Joanie has a branch
17:31:54 <jongund> RS: Can we assign these to you MK
17:32:08 <jongund> JOANIE: Fell free to make changes in my brand
17:32:35 <jongund> MK: ONly in application and activedesendant
17:32:48 <jongund> RS: What date can you come back to the group
17:32:51 <jongund> MK: 2 weeks
17:33:21 <jongund> RS: Need to find the agenda
17:33:45 <jongund> TOPIC: Password Role
17:33:48 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/password-role/aria/aria.html#password
17:33:50 <clown> action-2004
17:33:50 <trackbot> action-2004 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create proposal for password role -- due 2016-03-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:33:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2004
17:34:00 <jongund> RS: Joanie you want to put int he branch
17:34:10 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/password-role/aria/aria.html#password
17:34:45 <jongund> RS: Issues with supported properties and states
17:34:59 <jongund> RS: This looks ok to me
17:35:11 <jongund> JS: What would you put in for placeholder
17:35:36 <jongund> Joanie: That would change the taxonomy
17:35:55 <jongund> RS: HTML5 type=password support placeholder
17:36:07 <jongund> JN: Yes people use it all the time
17:36:12 <joanie> s/taxonomy/how ATs would want to see the role exposed/
17:36:33 <jongund> RS: I can see where you would use it
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17:36:41 <jongund> JN: Make and model of a car
17:37:02 <jongund> RS: Goven that do people have issues with the new Password role?
17:37:09 <jongund> MK: I am still reading the text
17:38:02 <jongund> JOANIE: I thought we said haspopup should not be supported
17:38:08 <jongund> RS: It could be help information
17:38:15 <jongund> MK: Looks good to me
17:38:41 <jongund> RESOLUTION: Accept joanie's proposal, and close action
17:40:38 <jongund> RESOLUTION: Accept joanie's proposal for new ROLE=PASSWORD, and close action 2004
17:41:10 <jongund> JOANIE: I'll close it when its merged
17:41:20 <jongund> MC: They are not at the top of the page
17:41:30 <jongund> MC: But they are there
17:42:13 <jongund> MC: These are no W3C announcements on working draft changes
17:42:31 <jongund> MC: But the groups can publicize them and send them to people
17:42:58 <jongund> JOANIE: Did you what me to remove ...
17:43:16 <jongund> JOANIE: Input for entering the password
17:43:19 <jongund> MK: yes
17:43:33 <jongund> TOPIC: ACTION 1489
17:43:52 <jongund> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1489
17:43:57 <jongund> RS: Move one
17:44:07 <jongund> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2040
17:44:18 <clown> issue-686
17:44:19 <trackbot> issue-686 -- need a getComputedLabel or getComputedName -- open
17:44:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/686
17:44:27 <jongund> TOPIC: Computed name and role
17:44:41 <jongund> RS: We met witht he group 2 years ago
17:44:53 <jongund> RS: No action in 2 years, so move to ARIA 2.0
17:44:58 <jongund> MK: We kind of have to
17:45:59 <jongund> Proposed moving Issue 686 on APIs on roles and accessible name to ARIA 2.0
17:46:12 <jongund> MC: We don't need a CFC for moving it
17:46:30 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/686
17:46:30 <jongund> RESOLUTION: MOve Issue 686 to ARIA 2.0
17:46:54 <jongund> TOPIC: ACTION 1624
17:47:01 <clown> action-1624
17:47:01 <trackbot> action-1624 -- Michael Cooper to Work with shane to develop publication strategy and solution that would exclude abstract roles for authors -- due 2016-03-17 -- OPEN
17:47:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1624
17:47:13 <jongund> MC: Can you put this higher on list after CSUN
17:48:01 <jongund> MK: What do links do ....
17:48:09 <jongund> JS: Point to the full spec
17:48:25 <jongund> MC: We have to sort out in the process of doing the actions
17:48:39 <clown> action-2023
17:48:39 <trackbot> action-2023 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Write a proposal about how to modify the definition of role text to limit its use. -- due 2016-02-23 -- OPEN
17:48:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2023
17:48:43 <jongund> TOPIC: ACTION 2023 Role=Text
17:49:06 <clown> issue-1011
17:49:06 <trackbot> issue-1011 -- For role="text", there needs to be requirements on user agents for overrides, such as controls, events, and other global aria properties, like there is for role="presentation". -- open
17:49:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1011
17:49:09 <jongund> ACTION-2023: Write a proposal about how to modify the definition of role text to limit its use.
17:49:09 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-2023 Write a proposal about how to modify the definition of role text to limit its use..
17:49:11 <jongund> Write a proposal about how to modify the definition of role text to limit its use.
17:49:26 <jongund> RS: When you have text content a bit differently
17:49:37 <jongund> RS: I know you can put this in button
17:50:08 <jongund> RS: If you put a link inside a role=text, that that would be dangerous
17:50:46 <jongund> RS: ***** role=text with aria-label="4 stars"
17:51:02 <jongund> RS: IN the case of buttons the roles are presentations
17:51:15 <Rich> q?
17:51:16 <jongund> RS: role=text can not have interactive elements
17:51:20 <fesch> q+
17:51:20 <Rich> ack Rich
17:51:22 <jamesn> q+
17:51:28 <Rich> ack bgaraventa
17:51:51 <Rich> ack fesch
17:51:54 <jongund> FE: I want to make sure it can work in SVG with a path used for text
17:52:01 <jongund> RS: That would not be an issue
17:52:13 <clown> q+ to say it could be handled as exceptions to role presentation.
17:52:31 <cyns> q+
17:52:34 <Rich> ack jamesn
17:52:50 <jongund> JN: I want to make sure we solve the problem for people who write good code, bad coders will always do bad things
17:53:14 <Rich> q?
17:53:27 <jongund> MK: My understanding of the role=text is making content easier to listen to, so it is getting into the realm ...
17:54:06 <jongund> MK: Realm of presentation, so the author is making a judgement that is different structure or roles
17:54:08 <cyns> +1
17:54:31 <jongund> MK: I want to make sure that the original content is available tot he AT user
17:54:51 <Rich> ack clown
17:54:51 <Zakim> clown, you wanted to say it could be handled as exceptions to role presentation.
17:54:55 <Rich> q?
17:55:02 <jongund> MK: FOr example if it is a graphic I can get to the original image
17:55:32 <jongund> JS: If you put presentation on a link it the browser will ignore the role and present the link
17:55:34 <Rich> q?
17:55:38 <jongund> RS: I would go with that
17:56:12 <Rich> ack cyns
17:56:17 <jongund> CS: I have a cautious approval, I have concerns about authoring
17:56:50 <jongund> RS: The next question is this...., Joanie had the action
17:57:06 <jongund> RS: Should Joanie come back with a proposal?
17:57:28 <clown> +1
17:57:35 <mck> +1
17:57:41 <cyns> +1
17:57:48 <jongund> RS: Anything that is a descendant that is interactive will invalidate the role
17:58:06 <Rich> +1
17:58:13 <jongund> JN: What it is has tabindex=-1 and aria-hidden?
17:58:24 <jongund> CS: We need to look at a draft
17:58:39 <jongund> JN: James put ...
17:59:01 <jongund> Joanie: I don't like the role, so I need everyones comments
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17:59:46 <Rich> q?
17:59:55 <jongund> MK: The text role provides an alternative presentation, user agents must not hide the accessible
18:00:02 <jongund> JS: What about title attribute?
18:00:09 <jongund> MK: It is kind of like that
18:00:27 <jongund> RS: We are out of time
18:00:49 <jongund> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/17-aria-minutes.html jongund
18:01:02 <jongund> JOANIE: What is my next step?
18:01:12 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1011
18:01:16 <jongund> RS: JN can get you a link
18:01:38 <jongund> JN: I can't because W3C is blocking Oracle
18:02:00 <jongund> MC: This happens, there is page that explains it
18:02:01 <clown> joanie:  inside that issue is the link to github where the discussion occurred (in a note)
18:02:14 <jamesn> i get directed here - https://www.w3.org/Help/abuse-info/re-reqs.html
18:03:34 <Rich> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/17-aria-minutes.html Rich
18:04:50 <jongund> I published the minutes
18:05:19 <Rich> zakim, bye
18:05:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Michiel_Bijl, Fred_Esch, Ja_Eun_Ku, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, janina
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18:05:25 <Rich> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:05:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/17-aria-minutes.html Rich
18:12:32 <jamesn> MichaelC: can you complain to the webmaster about that for me - or tell me who I can moan to?
18:14:16 <jamesn> oh - it is not useful - i have seen it before.  It is just something to moan about :)
18:14:46 <jamesn> it may be useful if I had any way to contact someone in our networking group
18:15:07 <joanie> aha
18:15:07 <jamesn> with 120,000 employees we probably make a lot of requests to stuff from w3c
18:15:13 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/Help/Webmaster#block
18:15:21 <joanie> Where do I send comments about w3.org?
18:15:21 <joanie> There are two ways to reach us by email:
18:15:21 <joanie> We encourage you to let us know by sending a message to site-comments@w3.org with the URI (that is, the Web address) of the page(s) in question. That is a publicly archived mailing list.
18:15:25 <joanie> If you prefer to send us comments that are not publicly visible, please use web-human@w3.org
18:16:08 <jamesn> thanks
18:16:12 <joanie> Why is W3C blocking my IP?
18:16:12 <joanie> W3C is most likely blocking your IP because of excessive traffic; often this is due to requesting the same resource from us repeatedly (e.g. a DTD, Schema, Entity, or Namespace document.) We give extensive caching directives and there really is no reason to request the same resource over and over when it is not going to change. Your XML library or utility probably has a means to use a XML catalog and/or have a caching mechanism; please consult that documen[CUT]
18:16:47 <jamesn> yeah. We have proxy servers which i am guessing cache stuff but it seems that is not enough
18:17:19 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/blog/systeam/2008/02/08/w3c_s_excessive_dtd_traffic/
18:17:37 <joanie> the last is linked to from the paragraph pasted above
18:17:40 <jamesn> yeah - can't get to that one :)
18:18:02 <joanie> but now you have email addresses and content for your IT dept.
18:19:08 <jamesn> LOL - like I can contact my IT department - laughs
18:19:31 <joanie> set up a proxy and they'll contact you
18:19:46 <jamesn> hah - yeah that might work
18:20:03 <jamesn> or plug in a router and start providing IP addresses to folks :)
18:20:10 <joanie> hahaha
18:21:06 <joanie> what about a tor browser
18:22:52 <joanie> https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html
18:25:25 <jamesn> i'm willing to bet i am blocked from torproject
18:25:41 <joanie> try it
18:26:11 <jamesn> get a security warning which means i have a redirect someehere
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