12:59:58 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 12:59:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-irc 12:59:59 NiloMitra has joined #webtv 13:00:40 Meeting: Web and TV: Cloud Browser TF 13:00:50 Chair: Alexandra 13:00:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:00:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html yosuke 13:01:19 rrsagent, make logs public 13:01:25 cpn has joined #webtv 13:01:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:01:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html yosuke 13:03:25 present: Kaz, Alexandra, Nilo 13:04:55 present+ Yosuke 13:05:04 Hi Yosuke 13:06:01 present+ Chris 13:06:07 present+ Colin 13:06:15 rrsagent, make log public 13:06:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:12:52 zakim, pick a victim 13:12:52 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chris 13:13:36 scribe: Chris 13:14:08 q+ 13:14:25 Alexandra: We'll go through the architecture, use cases, and terminology 13:14:31 ... Starting with terminology 13:14:45 https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/Architecture 13:14:52 Yosuke: I'd like to mention the status of MSE and EME 13:15:02 s/https/-> https/ 13:15:26 ... These are in the process of getting to a version 1 spec, so if we want to add something new into these specs, we'll need to do it quickly 13:15:27 s/Architecture/Architecture Cloud Browser Architecture wiki/ 13:15:35 rrsagent, draft mintues 13:15:35 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:15:38 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:15:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:15:44 s/rrsagent, draft mintues// 13:15:52 Yosuke: Our proposals for MSE and EME are likely to be added to version 2 of these specs 13:15:52 q? 13:15:55 ack y 13:16:09 Alexandra: We have a couple of things for those specs to take into consideration 13:16:42 ... Can I give a brief descriptions of the use cases? 13:17:04 Yosuke: Please send these privately, and I'll look into how the WG can deal with your input 13:17:31 Alexandra: It would be very good if the group could add to v1 13:18:32 Yosuke: I think it's OK to have a quick look and give some advice 13:18:53 +q 13:18:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:18:59 Alexandra: We'll add this task as an issue in GitHub 13:19:32 i/We'll go/scribenick: cpn/ 13:19:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:19:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:19:39 Topic: Terminology 13:20:11 -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/Architecture#Terminology Terminology section 13:20:41 Nilo: I have suggested some changes in terminology 13:21:58 q? 13:24:23 Alexandra: [ reviews the terminology ] 13:24:33 ack N 13:24:46 +q 13:25:14 Alexandra: I'll address in-band and out-of -band media in the next two weeks 13:25:20 q? 13:25:27 q? 13:25:29 ... Please suggest any changes to the terminology 13:25:35 s/out-of -band/out-of-band/ 13:25:38 ack N 13:25:39 s/of -band/of-band/ 13:25:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:25:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:26:54 Nilo: For clarification, looking at the the single-stream and cloud player cell, as this is an encrypted stream, should the client also have the ability to decrypt? 13:27:18 s/the the/the/ 13:27:32 Alexandra: The idea was: if we terminate the EME functionality in the cloud, they cannot use EME/MSE as defined in the standard 13:27:47 ... So we may use decryption libraries in the client 13:28:03 ... But I'll need to expand the description by adding current DRM and CA deployments 13:28:08 q+ 13:28:20 q? 13:28:23 Nilo: I think I see what you're getting at 13:28:45 Alexandra: I can take an action to make the table more understandable 13:29:13 Kaz: Should we standardise the clent mechanism, or leave the client-side do anything proprietary? 13:29:15 ack k 13:29:25 s/clent/client/ 13:29:35 Alexandra: We've tried to focus on the interface between the cloud browser and the client 13:29:59 ... But we may need to look at different options for the client, but I don't think we need to standardise the client, from my point of view 13:31:01 Colin: It's a good question, we should discuss this here. If standardised, it may be easier to integrate, but I don't have an answer yet 13:31:27 Alexandra: Thank you Kaz, it's a good point 13:31:55 Nilo: Can I go back to the question of out-of-band and in-band? Out-of-band suggests there are two channels, and in-band one channel 13:32:31 Alexandra: Yes, that's what I tried to show. When we talk about out-of-band media, it's for picture #3, where we can deliver video data separately from the UI data 13:32:50 ... Out-of-band media is a good term, as the media is delivered separately 13:34:42 Louay has joined #webtv 13:34:53 present+ Louay_Bassbouss 13:35:24 q? 13:36:14 Alexandra: I'll work on the table, and think about the client standardisation approach 13:36:33 Alexandra: Yosuke, can you explain your question about the DOM structure? 13:37:00 q+ 13:37:08 Yousuke: In traditional browsers, the DOM tree is in the client machine, but in the cloud browser it's in the servers, and the UA is in the client 13:38:03 Alexandra: I think it's importand to describe what we mean by the cloud browser 13:38:27 ... Colin and I could work on this together and present it in two weeks 13:38:49 Kaz: It depends whether or not we want to separate the HTML parsing module from the rendering module 13:38:57 ack k 13:39:16 Alexandra: This question goes to the standardisation of the cloud browser itself 13:39:35 ... We should look at which functions belong to the client and which to the cloud browser 13:39:55 ... A table that clarifies these functions could help a lot 13:40:44 Kaz: There could be one parsing module and several rendering modules, for different functions, e.g., accessibility, text rendering, speech rendering, etc 13:41:20 Alexandra: The idea was to take the out of the box browser and it works, but this would help to clarify 13:42:09 ... Regarding use cases, I want to encourage everybody to go through the use case list, and maybe Chris could add something from the content perspective 13:42:40 ... For the next 2 weeks I'll focus on the video use case for MSE and the security use case with EME, to feed into the MSE and EME groups 13:42:48 q? 13:43:28 ... Are there other suggestions or proposals for now? 13:43:55 ... Thank you all for your participation, and see you in two weeks 13:44:26 rrsagent, draft mintues 13:44:26 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:44:32 [ adjourned ] 13:44:33 rrsagent, draft mintues 13:44:33 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:44:47 rrsagent, make minutes 13:44:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html yosuke 13:45:01 s/rrsagent, draft mintues// 13:45:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:45:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:48:01 Action: Alexandra to send Yosuke use cases for MSE and EME 13:48:02 Created ACTION-219 - Send yosuke use cases for mse and eme [on Alexandra Mikityuk - due 2016-03-23]. 13:49:21 s|s/of -band/of-band/|| 13:49:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz 13:49:51 Action: Alexandra to add a table clarifying which function belong to the client and which to the cloud browser 13:49:51 Created ACTION-220 - Add a table clarifying which function belong to the client and which to the cloud browser [on Alexandra Mikityuk - due 2016-03-23]. 13:50:31 s/importand/important/ 13:50:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html cpn 13:52:12 Action: Alexandra to clarify description by adding information on DRM and CA deployments 13:52:12 Created ACTION-221 - Clarify description by adding information on drm and ca deployments [on Alexandra Mikityuk - due 2016-03-23]. 13:52:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:52:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-minutes.html cpn 14:05:12 bye!! 14:09:01 Julian_Sitkevich has joined #webtv 14:11:04 rrsagent, bye 14:11:04 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-actions.rdf : 14:11:04 ACTION: Alexandra to send Yosuke use cases for MSE and EME [1] 14:11:04 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-irc#T13-48-01 14:11:04 ACTION: Alexandra to add a table clarifying which function belong to the client and which to the cloud browser [2] 14:11:04 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-irc#T13-49-51 14:11:04 ACTION: Alexandra to clarify description by adding information on DRM and CA deployments [3] 14:11:04 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/16-webtv-irc#T13-52-12