16:35:08 RRSAgent has joined #genivi 16:35:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/03/15-genivi-irc 16:35:20 Present+ Philippe_Robin 16:35:37 Zakim has joined #genivi 16:36:12 @@@: we would like to watch what is going on with W3C and Arynga 16:37:11 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 16:37:21 Present+ Paul_Boyes 16:37:24 rrsagent, make log team 16:37:28 Present- Ted 16:37:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:37:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/15-genivi-minutes.html kaz 16:37:33 Present+ Ted_Guild 16:38:01 Chair: Philippe_Robin 16:38:11 Walter: we are looking at RVI and trying to figure out what organization will be focusing on what 16:39:15 Magnus: we are talking with OMA and the general discussion is how to cooperate 16:39:51 present+ Magnus_Feuer, Magnus_Olsson, Paul_Boyes, Philippe_Colliot, John_Cain, Jan 16:39:56 … we are in agreement we can integrate the gof? and device apis and can use rvi to bridge 16:40:15 s/got?/GotAPI/ 16:40:24 q+ 16:40:33 s/gof?/GoTAPI/ 16:41:20 Paul: we have a joint meeting scheduled for 4:30pm on Thursday during AMM 16:42:09 Philippe: Paul presently you have no work item on SOTA? 16:42:12 Paul: right 16:42:31 -> www.w3.org/2015/07/29-30-31-wot-minutes.html#day1-item08 fyi, WoT IG minutes from Sunnyvale f2f in July, 2015 16:42:34 Philippe: you need to discuss with the participants if it will be supported 16:43:01 Paul: we discussed about backend services getting meta data (from ECU?) 16:43:32 Magnus: there is an open source SOTA client that can communicate with software management system on the device that uses FrancaIDL 16:43:47 … Arynga would like an in between component 16:44:08 … we would open up to additional SOTA clients in addition to the one coming from Genivi 16:45:05 … on the server side we are going to use Genivi system with a web facing service for managing patches, configuration, etc and is being implemented right now 16:45:38 … if we agree moving forward we can go from implementation to documentation. It would be nice if we had someone from Advanced Telematics on the call 16:46:05 Walter: it would be easier to go over on a whiteboard in person next month 16:46:26 … as you said figuring out which organization is focusing on what is the question 16:47:07 Magnus: should we decide to move forward on SOTA server and standardize the web api 16:47:34 … we want @@@2 who has been architecting the implementation to drive the standards 16:47:58 s/@@@2/Magnus Olsson/ 16:48:18 MagnusO: we would like to discuss with the W3C how to expose and expand this data 16:48:49 Magnus: the downside is we have limited experience with how to interface with the web community and may need to revector implementation based on feedback 16:49:10 Paul: that makes sense and also coordinated with the Web of Things WG 16:49:40 Kaz: I'm on WoT as well and discussion on various things including OMA's GotAPI 16:49:51 … I will send details by email 16:50:03 Walter: to what extent is that API web enabled? 16:50:23 Kaz: there is no direct relation between OMA's API and W3C WoT work at present 16:50:38 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot/architecture/wot-architecture.html WoT architecture doc 16:50:50 … I will provide summary of recent discussion on this topic from a recent meeting in California 16:50:58 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html WoT Current Practices (demo experience) 16:51:23 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/landscape.html WoT Tech Landscape (survey) 16:51:27 Magnus: we need to loop in Advanced Telematics Systems as they did the implementation 16:52:16 -> www.w3.org/2015/07/29-30-31-wot-minutes.html#day1-item08 discussion on OMA's GotAPI during the WoT IG meeting in Sunnyvale 16:52:50 q- 16:53:06 Paul: that sounds like a good plan to me 16:56:08 … I don't know who from the W3C Auto BG and WG are willing to be engaged 17:02:16 [summary of current W3C work and process, need to get people from both sides in dialog] 17:02:52 Magnus: SOTA work is well matured. we can answer all technical questions and should do this before getting into IoT 17:03:28 Kaz: that sounds reasonable. We had a joint meeting with the Device API people that delved into generic sensor API 17:03:51 Magnus: we are always looking at new standards and technologies to throw into the mix. we are a hybrid of different standards 17:04:18 … sometimes standard will be from Genivi, OMA or W3C 17:04:38 Paul: I see AGL starting a low level Vehicle spec and that seems like a duplicate of effort 17:04:49 Magnus: I started this as a Genivi project 17:05:13 … JLR internally has requirements for conveying the state of a vehicle at high speed internally and to back end servers 17:05:28 … door lock state, touch screen interactions etc 17:05:40 … we are doing a fire hose approach to collecting this data 17:06:05 … we looked at the W3C Auto spec and while a good start we needed something beyond it and can be extended 17:06:07 q+ 17:06:32 … what we started is an automotive focus 17:06:58 Paul: W3C work is shifting from browser focus to socket so could be more usable to your needs 17:07:21 Magnus: we are looking at about 2000 signals we want a tree on 17:07:43 … we are coming up with a lightweight process for adding signals with a rapid spec release cycle 17:08:24 … it is extremely early stages 17:08:41 … if possible I would like to extend the W3C standard with this signaling standard 17:08:52 Paul: this is directly in line with the way things are going in W3C 17:09:08 … we worked with Paul Wheller and others from JLR on this spec 17:09:33 … this should be another topic of discussion with you and people from the W3C WG 17:09:52 … we are likely going to expose a web socket based service that can convey this data 17:10:16 Magnus: we do want to synch up and meant to bring it up with you 17:11:09 Philippe: sounds like two meeting to schedule in Paris, one on SOTA and another on this 17:11:33 … I would like to spend the remaining time on LBS APIs. Philippe Colliot you still on the call? 17:12:23 PhilippeC: I have success on my proof of concept and during weekly telco with LBS people we discussed wanting to go from Franca to a Web API 17:12:35 … there are things on DBus that aren't available to Franca 17:12:49 … we need to know what kind of feature to use in Franca 17:13:06 … concerning the WebIDL I need people to help 17:13:39 … if we want to use WebIDL, I'm missing some knowledge and help and can use some help from W3C side 17:13:52 q+ 17:14:25 Paul: I wouldn't be much help on creating a WebIDL. We can get into this in Paris 17:15:05 … Adam Abramski is stepping down as co-Chair, Qing An from Alibaba we are hoping to chair the BG and focus on LBS 17:19:37 [discussion on WebIDL vs web sockets and direction current Vehicle spec is shifting] 17:20:15 PhilippeC: I want to discuss going from QML to HTML, we can discuss in person at the AMM 17:20:29 Paul: we should plan on that 17:20:57 … this is possible very closely related to what we will do with other Genivi APIs 17:21:28 Philippe: PhilippeC can you be available on Friday to join W3C WG meeting? 17:21:32 PhilippeC: yes 17:22:18 Philippe: next meeting in two weeks and agreements to share documents between the two sides 17:23:44 … Europe daylight savings shift will occur before our next meeting 17:24:42 Genivi Mean Time (GMT)? 17:24:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/15-genivi-minutes.html ted 17:24:59 scribenick: ted 17:25:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/15-genivi-minutes.html ted 17:54:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:54:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/15-genivi-minutes.html kaz 18:09:56 rrsagent, stop