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13:04:13 <dsr> meeting: APIs and Protocol Bindings Task Force
13:04:17 <kaz> [ so far: Kaz, Dave, Claes, Dan, Daniel, Frank, Johannes, Michael, Yingying ]
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13:04:22 <dsr> chair: Johannes
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13:05:31 <dsr> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Mar/0012.html
13:05:35 <dsr> present+
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13:07:23 <dsr> zakim, pick a scribe
13:07:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr
13:07:39 <jhund> present +Johannes_Hund, Matthias_Kovatsch, Sebtian_Kaebisch
13:07:55 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
13:07:55 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr
13:07:58 <jhund> zakim, pick a different scibe
13:07:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick a different scibe', jhund
13:08:07 <dape> present +Daniel_Peintner
13:08:20 <kaz> s/Sebtian/Sebastian/
13:08:32 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
13:08:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr
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13:08:44 <dromasca> present +Dan_Romascanu
13:08:49 <kaz> zakim, bye
13:08:49 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been dsr
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13:08:58 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
13:08:58 <Zakim> I don't who is present, kaz
13:09:07 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:09:07 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:09:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Louay, mkovtsc, jhund, dape, toru, Claes, katsu, RRSAgent, kaz, dsr, dromasca, michael, Yingying, schuki, tobie, trackbot
13:09:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/09-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
13:10:16 <kaz> Present: Kaz, Dave, Claes, Dan, Daniel, Frank, Johannes, Michael, Yingying, Sebastian
13:10:16 <Claes> scribenick: Claes
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13:10:33 <Louay> present+ Louay_Bassbouss
13:10:45 <Claes> Topic: Architecture document
13:11:02 <Claes> http://w3c.github.io/wot/architecture/wot-architecture.html
13:11:09 <kaz> Present+ Katsuyoshi
13:11:10 <mkovtsc> present+ Matthias_Kovatsch
13:11:40 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
13:12:09 <Claes> Johannes presents the doc
13:18:16 <Claes> Valuable for having the same vocabulary. Johannes thanks the authors
13:18:47 <jhund> contribuing: https://github.com/w3c/wot/edit/master/architecture/wot-architecture.html
13:19:12 <Claes> Johannes encourages everyone to review and comment or directly contribute.
13:19:13 <kaz> q+
13:19:23 <kaz> ack k
13:19:38 <Claes> Kaz: Good starting point.
13:19:44 <dsr> q+
13:20:24 <Claes> ...suggest to update with input from best pratices doc and plugfest
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13:21:27 <Claes> ... missing how to include non-servient components
13:21:34 <mkovtsc> q+
13:23:20 <Claes> ....show deployments where only parts of ther components are used.
13:24:11 <dsr> ack d
13:24:12 <Claes> Action: Kaz to add a Github issue based on this discussion
13:24:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Add a github issue based on this discussion [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2016-03-16].
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13:25:19 <Claes> DSR: FIne to have an architecture doc but currently does not represent implementations done.
13:25:25 <kaz> s/FIne/Fine/
13:25:33 <Sebastian> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:26:07 <Claes> ... We need more discussion about the architecture
13:26:34 <Claes> ...What are the reponsibilities of each layer?
13:28:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:28:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/09-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
13:28:42 <Claes> Johannes: Doc is based on discussion at latest F2F meetings.
13:29:01 <Claes> DSR: Proposes e-mail discussion.
13:29:06 <kaz> present+ Nan, Takuki
13:29:32 <Claes> ... for example misses in the doc description of role of proxies.
13:30:43 <kaz> q+
13:31:10 <Claes> Johannes: Asks Dave to provide comments directly in the doc.
13:32:59 <Claes> DSR: A more general issue. What do we want this doc to show?
13:34:52 <Claes> Johannes: Proposes general pöoints in section 3
13:36:21 <kaz> s/pöoints/points/
13:36:22 <Claes> ... Different deployment scenarios in section 4.
13:36:39 <Claes> ...Section 5 describe the abstractions we made.
13:37:31 <Claes> DSR: Show somewhere how it fits/integrates with existing platforms and deployments
13:38:28 <Claes> MAttias: Suggests section 4 for Dave's proposal.
13:38:51 <kaz> s/MAttias:/Matthias:/
13:38:53 <kaz> q?
13:39:06 <dsr> ack mk
13:39:56 <Claes> ... Try to populate the terminolgy from the Best Practices doc. What is a Servients???
13:40:10 <kaz> q?
13:40:15 <Claes> ... need to use the same terminology!
13:40:15 <kaz> ack k
13:40:16 <dsr> ack ka
13:40:39 <Claes> Kaz: Completely agree with Matthias
13:41:19 <Claes> ... Section 5 should be before section 4
13:42:21 <kaz> s/Matthias/Matthias about those points/
13:43:20 <Claes> ... wants the Servient description early in the doc.
13:43:29 <michael> +1 matthias - first say what a servient does, then what a servient is
13:43:45 <jhund> q?
13:44:20 <Claes> Johannes: Good starting point, initial doc
13:44:23 <kaz> s/Section 5/on the other hand, have another question about the document structure. Section 5/
13:44:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:45:04 <Claes> ... other TFs should check if they see themselves represented by this architecture doc
13:45:43 <kaz> s/in the doc./in the doc. We can talk about this kind of document structure issue later when we publish this as a group Note, etc., though./
13:45:49 <Claes> Action: Johannes to reach out to Sebastian
13:45:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Reach out to sebastian [on Johannes Hund - due 2016-03-16].
13:45:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:47:16 <Claes> ... and talk about it at the next IG call
13:47:52 <Claes> Sebastian: Will include this in the agenda for next TF-TD call
13:48:09 <dsr> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/wot-wg-2016.html
13:48:10 <Claes> Topic: Draft charter doc
13:49:43 <kaz> s|https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/wot-wg-2016.html||
13:49:44 <kaz> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/wot-wg-2016.html
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13:50:20 <Claes> Dave presents the doc
13:50:36 <kaz> present+ Nicolas
13:51:35 <Claes> DSR: ... using new template where yellow marked text are comments and placeholders
13:53:30 <Claes> ... ideally section 1 scope could refer to the architecture doc but we are not aligned yet
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13:56:38 <jhund> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/WG/wot-wg-items.md
13:56:44 <Claes> Johannes: Sections 1, 1.2 and 1.3 cover the work done in TF-AP
13:59:37 <Claes> ... checking that everything decided at our latest F2F as reflected in the Github doc is covered by the charter proposal
14:00:13 <Claes> DSR: Strive to get a short charter
14:00:47 <Claes> ... some bullet points frpm the Github doc is too cryptic
14:01:05 <Claes> s /frpm/from/
14:01:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/09-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
14:02:24 <Claes> ... people who are reviewing charters fell more comfortable if stuff has been implemented
14:02:41 <kaz> s|s /frpm/from/||
14:02:55 <kaz> s|frpm|from|
14:02:56 <Claes> ... i.e. we should have "proof of concept" implementations of what we want to standardize
14:02:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:03:31 <kaz> q+
14:05:31 <Claes> ... in the chareter reference for example working notes on what we have implemented
14:06:05 <Claes> ... s /chareter/charter/
14:06:15 <kaz> q?
14:07:46 <Claes> ... major work to be done on 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3.
14:08:30 <Claes> ... need to provide more detail in the charter on access control and privacy
14:09:47 <Claes> Johannes: Ok if we don't we "everything" in the charter but what we have should be convincing
14:10:21 <kaz> q?
14:10:45 <Claes> s  /don't we/don't have/
14:14:15 <kaz> s|... s /chareter/charter/||
14:14:23 <kaz> s/chareter/charter/
14:14:35 <kaz> s|s  /don't we/don't have/||
14:14:49 <kaz> s|don't we|don't have|
14:14:57 <kaz> ack k
14:15:02 <Claes> ... it should be easy to find information about "proof of concept" implementations but we don't have to have it in the charter itself. Instead it should be easily visible on the wiki.
14:15:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:15:05 <dape> q+
14:15:22 <kaz> ack d
14:16:14 <dsr> q+
14:16:25 <dsr> ack d
14:16:28 <Claes> Daniel: For available implementations, who proves the interoperability? Difficult to have a list of implementations.
14:16:49 <kaz> s/... it/kaz: regarding the information on "proof-of-concept" implementations, it/
14:16:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:17:13 <Claes> DSR: We could site reports from the plugfests stating the results.
14:17:39 <kaz> s/site/cite/
14:18:27 <Claes> ... state in the charter where to find this information.
14:20:34 <Claes> Topic: Next plugfest
14:21:17 <mkovtsc> q+
14:21:34 <kaz> i|Next plugfest|-> https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/blob/gh-pages/wot-wg-2016.html WoT WG draft Charter on GitHub|
14:22:12 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_2016,_April,_11th_-_13th,_Montreal,_Canada#Sunday.2C_10th_of_April.2C_Plugfest April f2f wiki
14:22:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:23:24 <Claes> Matthias: We want to collect what people have implemented so we can define the scenarios.
14:24:05 <Claes> ... in table at the meeting wiki page
14:24:21 <Claes> ... also add contributions to earlier plugfests
14:27:52 <kaz> q?
14:27:53 <Claes> ... referring to section 4 of the Best Practices doc, http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html,  look at the questions and give feedback and use this as the starting point for the implementation.
14:27:54 <kaz> ack
14:27:57 <kaz> ack m
14:28:42 <kaz> q+
14:29:05 <Claes> DSR: Encourages people to document their implementations
14:29:32 <Claes> ... provide links to this information
14:31:33 <kaz> ack k
14:32:35 <kaz> kaz: fine with putting information on the wiki, and it would be great to have integrated list of "available components" on the best practice later
14:32:42 <kaz> s/wiki/wiki first/
14:32:50 <Claes> Matthias: No links to specific implementations in the Best Practices
14:33:09 <Claes> ... better to collect links at the wiki
14:33:39 <kaz> q?
14:35:23 <Claes> Johannes: Wrap Up: People to fill in the table at meeting wiki on what they are bringing to the plugfest, features, sensors, etc
14:35:38 <dsr> [Dave plans to add his work for the plugfest when I get back from the W3C AC meeting]
14:35:56 <dsr> s/I get/he gets/
14:36:06 <kaz> i|Dave|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_2016,_April,_11th_-_13th,_Montreal,_Canada#Participation plugfest section of the f2f wiki|
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14:40:01 <toru>  present+ Toru_Kawaguchi
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