IRC log of sdwssn on 2016-03-08

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regrets: Oscar, Scott
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present+ Kerry
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present +RaulGarciaCastro
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present+ DanhLePhuoc
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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chair: kerry
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scribe: DanhLePhuoc
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scribeNick: RaulGarciaCastro
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scribe: RaulGarciaCastro
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Topic: Patent call
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20:13:11 [RaulGarciaCastro]
Topic: Welcome to SSN-subgroup meetings
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kerry: Not many people around
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Topic: FPWD
20:14:35 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: We need to publish the FPWD soon
20:15:00 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … end of March, 1st week April
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20:16:26 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … that is our first big goal
20:16:39 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … we could publish SSN as it is now
20:17:03 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … being ambitious, also modularization would be good
20:18:13 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … it is important that the W3C staff sees some progress
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RaulGarciaCastro: It would be nice to also include in the FPWD what we plan to deliver by the end of our work
20:19:50 [kerry]
20:19:59 [DanhLePhuoc]
20:20:04 [RaulGarciaCastro]
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kerry: We can talk about this next meeting (with more peopel)
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20:21:39 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … with the other editors
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Topic: Webprotege
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20:25:12 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: People should have rights to edit the ontology
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DanhLePhuoc: Not everyone needs to have editing permissions to comment
20:26:48 [RaulGarciaCastro]
RaulGarciaCastro: If we modularise the ontology at the end we will have different projects
20:27:19 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: Yes, I think it was that way
20:28:03 [RaulGarciaCastro]
DanhLePhuoc: Right now there are two projects, not sure how to link them
20:30:02 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: Where are the axioms in Webprotege?
20:33:44 [DanhLePhuoc]
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20:34:57 [RaulGarciaCastro]
DanhLePhuoc: In the OWLEntityDescriptionBrowser tab
20:35:06 [DanhLePhuoc]
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DanhLePhuoc: … and Editor
20:35:24 [kerry]
please look at user guid and have a go
20:36:40 [ahaller2]
apologies for being late, what is the webex link?
20:36:53 [kerry]
Armin, can pls give raul permission to edit on webprotege!
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20:37:21 [RaulGarciaCastro]
20:37:21 [ahaller2]
yes, what is his username?
20:37:24 [kerry]
armin, the webex link on that page works
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20:38:01 [RaulGarciaCastro]
that’s my user name in Webprotege
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Topic: Editor’s draft
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20:40:12 [ahaller2]
present+ ahaller2
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kerry: ahaller2 already has editing permissions in github
20:41:36 [ahaller2]
present+ ahaller2
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Topic: Modularization
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ack arhaller2
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ahaller2: We have agreed to remove dolce
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ack ahaller2
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ahaller2: … do we need further modules?
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agree -- no precedent for this
20:44:56 [RaulGarciaCastro]
ahaller2: … will splitting the ontology make it more usable?
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also agree -- it is no that much
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q+ kerry
20:46:20 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: multiple namespaces is annoying and you have to constantly look for things you need in other places
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ack kerry
20:47:00 [ahaller2]
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ack RaulGarciaCastro
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20:48:04 [DanhLePhuoc]
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ack ahaller2
20:48:08 [RaulGarciaCastro]
RaulGarciaCastro: we could analyse the use cases and see what extent of the ontology is expected to be used
20:48:43 [kerry]
ack ahaller2
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ahaller2: All modules, even if they have different namespaces, could be in the same file
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ack ahaller
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ack DanhLePhuoc
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20:49:59 [RaulGarciaCastro]
DanhLePhuoc: it’s not necessary to split everything but we can have different profiles
20:51:00 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: some use cases deal with observations, others with platforms…
20:51:47 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … we could do some profiling
20:52:32 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: … we can put the current modules in the W3C namespace
20:53:35 [RaulGarciaCastro]
RaulGarciaCastro: Once we define some URIs, people will start using them
20:54:00 [RaulGarciaCastro]
ahaller2: I’m concerned of publishing something not finished
20:54:06 [RaulGarciaCastro]
20:54:11 [DanhLePhuoc]
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20:55:25 [kerry]
ack RaulGarciaCastro
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RaulGarciaCastro: Putting the modules proposal in the FPWD would make no harm
20:56:34 [RaulGarciaCastro]
RaulGarciaCastro: … and if everyone agrees we publish it
20:56:53 [RaulGarciaCastro]
RaulGarciaCastro: … and if there are concerns we wait
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kerry: not just the modules, the complete modules
20:57:31 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: the ontologies themselves
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ack ahaller
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DanhLePhuoc: Like in software, people could use profiles and look for the origin of the different ontology components
21:00:27 [RaulGarciaCastro]
I’m not sure I got well this last part
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kerry: People could simply use the vocabulary terms of the ontology, but it would be nice if reasoning can also be used
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kerry: dereferencing the ontology terms should lead to the ontology
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kerry: … we can test this with the current splitted version of the ontology
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kerry: … and implementing content negotiation
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ahaller2: It would be nice to have it to play
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ahaller2: … multiple modules will also lead people to use incorrect namespaces
21:07:00 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: We can do that and then discuss up to what extent modularize
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action: ahaller2 to get the 2 ontology modules on w3c namespace with phila, to experimentation
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21:09:13 [RaulGarciaCastro]
kerry: if anyone wants to chair these meetings, just tell
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kerry: … will be happy if people gives suggestions on topics for the meeting
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