12:07:25 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:07:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-irc 12:07:31 Zakim has joined #wot 12:08:43 dromsca has joined #wot 12:08:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:08:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:08:58 present+ 12:09:18 zakim, pick scribe 12:09:18 I don't understand 'pick scribe', kaz 12:09:21 zakim, pick a scribe 12:09:21 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr 12:09:44 jhund has joined #wot 12:09:46 scribenick: dsr 12:09:51 chair: Joerg 12:09:56 Zakim, pick a scribe 12:09:56 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr 12:10:02 DarkoAnicic has joined #wot 12:10:15 present+ DarkoAnicic 12:10:22 present+ Johannes_Hund 12:10:31 present+ Matthias_Kovatsch 12:10:33 present+ Claes_Nilsson 12:10:33 present+ Yingying_Chen 12:10:43 [ so far: kaz, dave, joerg, claes, dan, daniel, darko, frank, kajimoto, katsuyoshi, kunihiko, matthias, takuki, toru, tuan, yingying ] 12:10:49 Joerg reviews the agenda 12:10:54 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 12:12:30 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2016Mar/0001.html 12:12:52 Topic: Architect document 12:13:17 Joerg: this is not yet available on github, but some people are already commenting on it. 12:13:28 Louay has joined #wot 12:13:38 present+ Louay_Bassbouss 12:13:47 s/yingying/yingying, louay, sebastian ] 12:13:51 Kajimoto: I’ve uploaded my current document to XXX 12:15:07 s/xxx/https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf 12:15:08 Kajimoto introduces the architecture document 12:15:33 s/XXX/https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf 12:15:35 s/XXX/https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf/ 12:15:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:15:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:16:12 rrsagent, set logs public 12:16:30 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:16:51 toru has joined #wot 12:16:57 s|XXX|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf| 12:16:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:16:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:17:18 Meeting: Web of Things IG 12:17:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:17:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:17:30 Kajimoto: I would invite all of you to comment on figure 1 12:17:56 s|XXX|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf| 12:17:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:17:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:18:03 I’ve tried to name each of the modules required for a WoT servient 12:18:08 s|XXX|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf| 12:18:09 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:18:20 s|XXX|https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/0/0d/2016-03-03-WoTArchitectureDraft-comments-merged.pdf| 12:18:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:18:32 My thanks to Darko and Johannes for their help 12:18:51 Joerg: any comments as yet on this document? 12:19:35 Joerg: we should transfer this to github for ease of commenting, when can that be done? 12:20:25 kajimoto: I will do this as HTML using the template that Johannes sent me. 12:22:20 Topic: Current Practices for Plugfests 12:22:43 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html Current practices 12:22:54 Sebastian has joined #wot 12:23:01 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:23:03 Joerg: this is a new document tto describe the current practices prior to each plugfest 12:23:08 s/tto/to/ 12:24:40 Matthias introduces the document 12:24:42 Soumya has joined #wot 12:25:11 He asks people to provide meaningful commit messages when they edit the document 12:26:21 s/tto/to/ 12:26:37 s|s/tto/to/|| 12:26:53 This is in HTML and using ReSpec 12:28:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:28:25 Daniel: I am working on the plans for the Montreal plugfest. We’re hoping to encourage more experimentation. 12:29:02 s/sebastian ] ]/sebastian, Soumya ] 12:29:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:29:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:29:34 This is a work in progress so I encourage you to take a look and discuss what you want to see happen 12:29:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:29:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:30:31 Last time, we were able to remotely control an air conditioner in Japan, this time it would be great to do something challenging 12:31:41 Sebastian has joined #wot 12:31:43 Daniel: we want to include something on discovery and are discussing some ideas 12:32:06 Joerg: it is 5 weeks to go and it is now time to get concrete on our plans 12:32:49 We need to cover a broader range of capabilities and to become more consistent 12:33:31 Joerg encourages everyone to get involved and share their ideas 12:33:31 q+ 12:33:42 ack k 12:34:00 Kaz: do we want to have specific scenario for demos this time? 12:34:19 Joerg: that could be a good idea 12:34:25 present+ Toru_Kawaguchi 12:34:36 Last time we had control over a coloured light. 12:34:55 Joerg asks Kaz for suggesitons for this time 12:35:09 s/suggesitons/suggestions/ 12:35:22 Joerg: we need suggestions during the next 2 weeks 12:35:56 Darko: we need to select the scenario very quickly, so that people can get the necessary equipment 12:36:29 Joerg: we could look at smart homes.. 12:36:58 Darko: we need to exploit readily available sensors and actuators 12:38:15 Dave: I’m thinking more in terms of features than real-world scenarios 12:38:39 Matthias: I agree with Darko about the need to reach agreement soon 12:39:21 Claes: I currently don’t have specific input, sorry 12:39:51 Dan: [no sound] 12:41:28 Daniel: We have info in github and the wiki and this could be confusing. Perhaps we should focus on the wiki page with the ideas for Montreal? 12:41:59 Joerg: so you propose to have the technical specs in github and other info on the wiki? 12:42:05 Daniel: yes 12:42:33 The github doc provides a link to the wiki 12:43:32 Joerg: please remember to add yourself to the wiki page for the meeting if you plan to participate in the plugfest 12:43:57 Frank:[inaudible] 12:45:51 Kajimoto: At the last face to face, we were able to use thing descriptions nicely. I don’t have specific ideas for scenarios for Montreal 12:46:30 Sorry, I have to go. 12:46:50 cu 12:47:16 I have to leave today early too. 12:47:56 Daniel: this time it would be good to ask the registry rather than the devices 12:48:08 +1 12:48:28 some consistency is needed for interoperabiity 12:48:47 Sebastian: we need more semantics and could look at the IoT lite ontology 12:49:01 I unfortunately have to leave no, so bye 12:49:53 s/no,/now,/ 12:50:00 Joerg: so discovery should be in focus for this plugfest, right? 12:50:17 Darko: we first need to decide on the scenario 12:53:22 Louay: for devices with bluetooth low energy the device id can be used to search for the thing description. 12:53:53 since it isn’t practical for such devices to transfer their thing description directly 12:54:19 So we are looking at layering discovery on top of existing standards 12:54:34 I hope to provide a demo around this 12:55:21 Kunihiko: [no comment] 12:56:14 Soumya: I support Louay’s comment. This time we should work on discovery. 12:57:03 Joerg asks Soumya and Louay to work on a proposal over the next week 12:57:10 [they agree] 12:58:19 Takuki: I agree with focusing on interoperability, and also some work on a shared vocabulary through the registry 13:01:12 Joerg encourages Takuki to contribute to the plans for the plugfest, e.g. updating the wiki page over the next few days 13:01:22 q+ 13:01:54 Soumya: do you want Louay and me to update the wiki page or to use email? 13:02:04 Joerg: the current practice document in github 13:02:19 The wiki is more about what people are individually planning 13:04:48 Joerg: this is for everyone to contribute to 13:05:17 Topic: Working Group Charter status 13:06:05 Kaz: a quick question on the plugfest - I wonder if anyone wants to try using EXI encoding? 13:06:28 Daniel: it definitely sounds interesting, lets discuss this further 13:06:35 ack k 13:06:43 s/Topic: Working Group Charter status// 13:06:52 Topic: Working Group Charter status 13:07:16 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/WG/wot-wg-items.md 13:07:19 dsr: material on github 13:07:33 joerg: will you share the screen? 13:08:12 dsr: have been collecting ideas on the github wiki 13:08:20 ... scripting, biding, thing description 13:08:29 ... idea on scope vs. out-of-scope 13:08:43 ... have put into the HTML format for charters 13:08:51 https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/wot-wg-2016.html 13:09:20 dsr: we have the structure 13:09:42 ... myself and kaz will be the proposed contacts to be approved 13:09:59 ... there is yellow/red text at Scope 13:10:46 ... we need to define what to do 13:11:00 ... attempted to do so for Thing Description 13:11:01 ktoumura has left #wot 13:11:17 present+ Soumya 13:11:36 ... (showing the github HTML and github wiki in parallel) 13:11:52 ... checked with Soumya and Oliver 13:12:08 ... Louay also provided some text 13:12:20 ... what the proposed API will do 13:13:14 ... proposed plan is to get clear idea what to do and what do avoid 13:13:15 q+ 13:13:34 ... so that we can get stronger proposal by the Montreal meeting 13:13:36 ack s 13:13:54 soumya: we decided the work will go into TD and Scripting API 13:14:01 jhund has joined #wot 13:14:02 ... here we don't have much about that 13:14:09 q+ 13:14:11 ... jointly discuss TD and AP 13:14:23 ... Dave, Kaz and myself discussed during the DI call 13:14:42 ... the working group draft Charter is not very clear about DI 13:15:01 ... how can you interact with all the aspects 13:15:08 sam has joined #wot 13:15:17 ... we should focus discovery aspect as well 13:15:25 joerg: ok 13:15:29 q? 13:15:31 ack j 13:15:54 jhund: would be good to have discussion on bullet points on the wiki vs the text on the HTML 13:16:17 ... which text on the left side (=HTML version) covers which part of the wiki 13:16:26 ... any good proposals? 13:16:34 dsr: email would be a good starting point 13:16:46 ... we can move on using GitHub issues 13:16:59 joerg: a bit concerned about the consistency 13:17:23 ... maybe we should have the draft charter and confirm the points on the wiki are covered by the HTML 13:17:47 ... if there are any missing points, we need to check them 13:18:00 dsr: need to include "Issue:" text 13:18:09 ... we need richer interaction for discussion 13:18:23 ... the source wiki document was unclear for the Charter 13:18:40 ... had clarification discussions with colleagues 13:18:54 jhund: maybe we could put IDs for each point 13:19:07 dsr: sounds like an action item for somebody 13:19:15 jhund: can update the document 13:19:26 joerg: any comments/questions? 13:19:51 dsr: with this new HTML version of the Charter, we expect some normative specs and no-normative ones 13:20:14 ... on the right side (=original wiki) the description was unclear 13:20:52 joerg: on the right side (=wiki) wasn't there description? 13:21:13 ... questions are, we need to have a consistent charter with the wiki 13:21:51 ... the wiki has scope/out-of-scope/delivelables sections 13:22:06 ... that would be question 1 13:22:14 ... question 2 is security/privacy topics 13:22:25 michael_ has joined #wot 13:22:25 ... distributed over the building blocks 13:22:45 ... not that focused what we need to achieve 13:22:59 ... in the left HTML document, what's in-scope and what's out-of-scope 13:23:32 ... protocol mapping would be cross cutting points 13:23:51 ... you have to understand each topic should be covered 13:24:10 ... privacy and discovery should be also covered 13:24:24 ... can we have sub section of 2.1? 13:24:43 ... clear building blocks which correspond bullet points 13:24:53 dsr: number of separate specs 13:25:34 ... which deliverable corresponds to security/privacy? 13:25:55 ... what is the best way for refactoring? 13:26:58 kaz: maybe we might want to copy all the bullet points to the HTML as is 13:27:08 ... and then start structural edits next? 13:27:17 dsr: wouldn't be very productive way... 13:27:43 joerg: starting with section 1 Scope 13:27:53 ... and see if all our points are covered 13:28:14 ... also may ask Oliver and Soumya to check security portion 13:28:44 ... security/privacy captured in the scope section or not? 13:29:11 ... ask for comments following up the f2f discussion 13:30:12 ... would ask you see if there is any open points in the GitHub document within 2 weeks 13:30:34 ... especially on the scope at section 1 13:30:42 dsr: sounds reasonable 13:31:01 ... but we need to clarify what people really are thinking 13:31:29 Kaz, can you assign me a work item related to the points Joerg mentioned 13:31:31 joerg: would like to start with the open points people think in the scope section 13:32:10 action: soumya to review the HTML version of the draft charter to see if there are any open points esp. in the scope section 13:32:10 Created ACTION-33 - Review the html version of the draft charter to see if there are any open points esp. in the scope section [on Soumya Kanti Datta - due 2016-03-10]. 13:32:25 Thanks Kaz 13:32:45 dsr: and check what's missing 13:32:57 joerg: ok 13:33:13 ... starting point for the draft charter 13:33:23 ... and would make you aware of the f2f meeting agenda on the wiki 13:33:39 There is a lot of missing context to the work items and hidden issues 13:33:44 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_2016,_April,_11th_-_13th,_Montreal,_Canada montreal f2f wiki 13:33:58 i/https/topic: Montreal f2f/ 13:34:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:34:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:34:48 joerg: preparation day for plugfest 13:34:53 ... Sunday afternoon 13:35:45 ... and on Monday, combination of OpenDay/Plugfest 13:35:55 ... Tuesday/Wednesday IG meeting 13:36:16 ... please put your input/comments on the wiki 13:36:41 ... very much focus on TFs 13:36:59 ... we might have some blocks in the afternoon, Tuesday 13:37:10 ... current practice/architecture documents 13:37:29 ... editing comments for them would be welcome 13:37:44 ... please feel free to put your comments on the wiki 13:38:13 ... next web conf call will be Wed., Mar. 16 13:38:25 ... is that OK with you? 13:38:44 ... completing the IG before the Montreal f2f 13:38:58 q+ 13:39:42 kaz: we need to work for brief extension of the IG for that 13:39:45 q+ 13:39:55 ... because the current charter expires a the end of this month 13:39:58 joerg: ok 13:40:16 soumya: what would be the time for the next call? 13:40:47 joerg: Wednesday call will be 2pm CET 13:40:58 ... will update the wiki 13:40:59 ack k 13:41:05 ack k 13:41:08 ... any other comments/questions? 13:41:09 ack s 13:41:19 (nothing) 13:42:13 [ adjourned ] 13:42:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:42:23 kajimoto has left #wot 13:46:36 i/material on github/scribenick: kaz/ 13:46:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:46:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 15:34:15 dsr has joined #wot 16:10:04 Zakim has left #wot