19:02:32 RRSAgent has joined #svg-a11y 19:02:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-svg-a11y-irc 19:02:52 chair: fred 19:04:21 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2016Feb/0073.html 19:04:30 Present+ chaals 19:04:36 scribe: Rich 19:05:12 Topic: Agenda additions? 19:05:16 fred: no 19:05:20 Topic: Open Actions 19:05:23 Topic: Open Actions 19:06:11 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/pointer-events-2016/ 19:06:30 doug: The timeline for the pointer events working group charter came to a close. If any AC reps are interested this is a useful thing for accessibility 19:06:45 RRSAgent, make log public 19:06:52 action-1602? 19:06:52 action-1602 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Find some stem graphics to consider as use cases -- due 2015-06-26 -- OPEN 19:06:52 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/1602 19:06:53 Topic Action 1602 19:07:02 Action-1602? 19:07:02 Action-1602 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Find some stem graphics to consider as use cases -- due 2015-06-26 -- OPEN 19:07:02 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/1602 19:07:33 Charles: I do want to keep that. 19:07:47 Charles: the use cases I have been working on are simple at the moment 19:07:51 action-1602 due in 3 months 19:07:51 Set action-1602 Find some stem graphics to consider as use cases due date to 2016-06-02. 19:07:57 Charles: Want the date moved out 3 months 19:08:19 action-1603? 19:08:19 action-1603 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Work with jasonw, markkuh and the universe to discover how people do interaction… -- due 2015-07-17 -- OPEN 19:08:19 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/1603 19:08:56 Charles: I am close this as not going to get done as action 19:09:11 RESOLUTION: Close action-1603 19:09:20 action-1753? 19:09:20 action-1753 -- Jason White to Look at svg in gamepadapi, push api, etc due 20160113 -- due 2016-01-15 -- OPEN 19:09:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/1753 19:09:38 fred: Jason and I went through this. I have a later topic on this 19:09:46 action-2001? 19:09:46 action-2001 -- Amelia Bellamy-Royds to Draft a new definition of including elements that requires title/description to be non-empty. -- due 2016-01-22 -- OPEN 19:09:46 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2001 19:10:05 amelia: there are 3 items in ther that fall under the new language in the svg-aam spec. 19:10:08 action-2002 19:10:08 action-2002 -- Amelia Bellamy-Royds to Draft new language for svg-aam. -- due 2016-01-22 -- OPEN 19:10:09 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2002 19:10:22 action-2004 19:10:22 action-2004 -- Amelia Bellamy-Royds to Look into github issue #137 -- due 2016-01-22 -- OPEN 19:10:22 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/track/actions/2004 19:10:28 amelia: I have not started on these yet but I am going to modify the SVG definitions which we can use in both specs. 19:10:43 http://ameliabr.github.io/svgwg/build/publish/render.html#RenderingTree 19:11:23 amelia: basically this adds up to creating standard definitions for elements that are rendered or not rendered 19:11:49 amelia: an important thing on how this cascades into the accessibility mappings. invisible and rendered are not the same 19:12:57 amelia: display:none is not rendered. desc. is not rendered. These are important as the svg pointer events can be active for on interactive hit regions even though something is not visibly rendered 19:13:38 amelia: At the same time this covers all the elements that should NEVER be rendered as they have no rendering on the screen. … no mater what you do to these they will not map into the accessibility tree 19:14:07 amelia: my hope is that by having clear definitions here we can clarify these in the accessibility mappings 19:14:43 fred: it looks like we don’t have any feedback for either of these. 19:15:02 amelia: I started drafting a section on focus management. 19:15:08 http://ameliabr.github.io/svgwg/build/publish/interact.html#Focus 19:15:40 amelia: Rich had originally mapped the HTML spec. into the SVG spec. 19:16:15 amelia: the group wanted one code base and resolved to link to the HTML spec. and now we need to identify the parts of the HTML spec. that are different. 19:16:43 amelia: have done that by defining focusable and non-focusable content … including via tabindex 19:16:59 amelia: then we need to add all the new text for keyboard accessibility. 19:17:07 https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/pull/55 19:17:13 amelia: I will be covering this with the svg working group tomorrow 19:17:27 fred: what is an svg element that has zoom and pan controls. 19:17:43 amelia: zoom and pan are not currently implemented in any browsers 19:18:03 amelia: the old Adobe SVG viewer was the only one that ever implemented this. 19:18:23 amelia: the wording have in there states that “if the control exists” ... 19:18:43 fred: joanie might ask if there is a zoom and pan control for that element 19:19:03 amelia: there is a property that turns them on but it has not been implemented yet 19:19:21 fred: when to include and when to not 19:20:13 Rich: If this has not been implemented it will ultimately go as there needs to be 2 implementations 19:20:43 amelia: at this point it is in the SVG2 spec. 19:21:42 Doug: SVG2 spec. to go to CR in April 19:22:06 Rich: concerned about syncing ARIA 1.1 with html 5.1 and svg2 19:22:41 q+ 19:23:15 ack sh 19:23:19 q- 19:23:32 Rich: the svg2 spec. points to the html 5.1 spec. but this is not stable yet. In previous versions we had based ours on html 5 19:24:33 Rich: the html5.1 spec is entirely different from html5 19:24:51 Rich: some controls are absent - like details/summary and dialog 19:25:11 Charles: the goal is to get html 5.1 done by mid- year without those pieces that are not implemented 19:25:52 amelia: there are modal dialog boxes and you have disable a lot of tabindex stuff that is outside the dialog (it becomes inert) 19:26:09 amelia: user controls - there is a controls attribute. 19:26:17 q+ 19:26:38 amelia: I could write the phrase with a controls attribute turned on and off