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19:55:33 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:55:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:55:36 <trackbot> Date: 02 March 2016
19:56:47 <kerry> regrets Jeremy, Frans, Lewis, Rachel, Ed, Danh, Clemens, Simon
19:57:28 <phila> zakim, code?
19:57:28 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW WG Weekly. https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mc96ab6583bd632deef4bf778ff424d78 Or :+1-617-324-0000, Meeting: 642 235 291
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20:06:04 <laufer> hello all
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20:06:40 <phila> Chair: Kerry
20:06:48 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160302
20:06:54 <laufer> please, could anybody tell me the webex password?
20:07:05 <ChrisLittle> v4qtEh56
20:07:11 <phila> scribe: phila
20:07:16 <phila> scribeNick: phila
20:07:20 <laufer> thank you
20:07:20 <phila> Topic Last week's minutes
20:07:21 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-sdw-minutes.html
20:07:26 <Linda> +1
20:07:29 <kerry> +1
20:07:34 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
20:07:37 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
20:07:37 <robin> +1
20:07:38 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:07:38 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:07:39 <ClausStadler> +1
20:07:43 <billroberts> +1
20:08:02 <phila> +0 (absent)
20:08:08 <phila> RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
20:08:18 <phila> Topic: Patent Call
20:08:19 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-sdw-minutes.html
20:08:49 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:09:29 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-sdw-minutes.html phila
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20:09:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:09:48 <kerry> topic: Sub-group meeting schedule
20:09:55 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
20:10:10 <phila> kerry: I believe BP set a date for their calls
20:10:17 <phila> Linda: Wednesdays at 15:00 UTC
20:10:52 <phila> action: phila to set up WebEx for the BP task force call
20:10:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Set up webex for the bp task force call [on Phil Archer - due 2016-03-09].
20:11:06 <phila> kerry: Is that every week or just when we're not doing the joint meeetings
20:11:14 <phila> ... There will be agendas adn minutes
20:11:26 <robin> Thanks Phila, I have finished the registration.
20:11:28 <phila> kerry: Coverages was getting close - billroberts?
20:11:49 <phila> billroberts: Yes, we haven't fixed it yet. I've got some responses that I'll summarise tomorrow.
20:12:22 <phila> ... Main problem is that we have people in both China, Aus, USA and Europe... so it means *someone" is bound to miss out. May need to alternate times
20:12:49 <phila> billroberts: Current plan is to propose an alternating time
20:13:05 <phila> kerry: I recommend against that, you have alternating times and alternating weeks, that's hard
20:13:14 <phila> billroberts: The alternative is to tell someone they can't take part.
20:13:22 <phila> ... We'll go on continents
20:13:32 <phila> kerry: If I can't join, I can't join
20:14:01 <phila> kerry: try and get the editors there - they're the most critical.
20:14:10 <phila> kerry: Having said that, we have the same problem with SSN
20:14:17 <phila> kerry: How's time going.
20:14:56 <phila> ChrisLittle: I failed to e-mail Simon to get the first slot. I haven't thought muchy as I'm rushing off to Washington shortly
20:15:15 <phila> kerry: SSN Doodle poll still to be filled in by some gfolks, including an editor
20:15:26 <kerry> SSN may be  Th 8pm UTC
20:15:30 <ChrisLittle> s/muchy/much
20:16:19 <phila> kerry: Please fill in the Doodle poll as soon as possible. Please be generous with your availability - 3 slots may not be enough.
20:16:59 <phila> kerry: Plan is that all those meetings take place next week so there won't be a call at this time next week.
20:17:01 <phila> q+
20:17:09 <kerry> ack phila
20:17:47 <phila> phila: So this call only happens every 2 weeks now so that the other TFs can meet in between.
20:17:56 <phila> Topic: CEO-LD meeting
20:17:59 <kerry> topic: CEO-LD meeting report (Phila)
20:18:07 <billroberts> yep
20:18:12 <billroberts> scribenick:billroberts
20:18:24 <kerry> scribe: billroberts
20:18:41 <billroberts> jtandy, billroberts, denise mackenzie, maik reichert visited Beijing to discuss CEO-LD
20:18:49 <billroberts> 'Coverages and earth observations in linked data'
20:19:09 <billroberts> a small amount of funding from the UK government to prmote UK-China collaboration to allow meetings to take place
20:19:35 <billroberts> University of Reading (Jon Blower and Maik Reichert) have done some very promising work on representing coverage data in JSON 'CoverageJSON'
20:19:59 <ChrisLittle> * jeremy now going to Korea
20:20:09 <kerry> q+ kerry
20:20:11 <billroberts> The meeting led to 3 Chinese organisations to commit to developing demos with reprsenting coverage in JSON
20:20:34 <billroberts> the resulting data can be presented in the browser using prototype software from U of Reading
20:21:00 <billroberts> We made good progress
20:21:19 <billroberts> kerry: has a group of final year software engineering students interested in working in this space
20:21:31 <billroberts> ...they are just getting started this week.
20:21:40 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:21:53 <phila> ack k
20:22:01 <billroberts> kerry: is very keen to participate in coverage calls and to keep in close touch, in order to liaise with the students and make best use of their time, skills and enthusiasm
20:22:19 <billroberts> kerry: planning to use the DGGS
20:22:28 <billroberts> so backend might be different to that used by Reading
20:22:56 <billroberts> phila: will keep kerry informed on outputs from CEO-LD. There are things the students could do which would be very helpful
20:23:18 <billroberts> kerry: has asked the students to look at RDF Data Cube, which would be quite a different approach to that used by Reading
20:23:40 <billroberts> phila: note that the RDF Data Cube approach is very verbose so may not work for large coverage data
20:24:15 <phila> ack c
20:24:17 <billroberts> phila: want to take the RDF Data Cube's notion of pre-defined slices to help with subsetting of coverage data.  Should be fairly easy particularly for gridded data
20:24:18 <kerry> q?
20:24:49 <billroberts> chrislittle: has discussed this with jtandy and will raise it with OGC next week.  Will raise in WCS SWIG
20:25:15 <billroberts> ...data cube may need enhancing.  A 'slice' could be too much. Actually want a 'dice'.
20:25:25 <Linda> s/SWIG/SWG
20:25:32 <billroberts> ...can request an n-dimensional 'tile'
20:25:40 <billroberts> ...have started looking at it but not got very far yet
20:25:42 <kerry> q?
20:25:50 <billroberts> phila: that's it for the Beijing meeting
20:25:50 <phila> scribe: phila
20:25:53 <kerry> scribe: phila
20:25:56 <phila> scribeNick: phila
20:26:08 <kerry> topic: Feedback from Data on the Web Best Practices
20:26:08 <phila> Topic: Data on the Web BP
20:26:20 <phila> kerry: Thanks to the members of that WG for joining us
20:26:24 <laufer> and me...
20:26:26 <BernadetteLoscio> thank you!
20:26:29 <phila> And laufer
20:26:35 <BernadetteLoscio> and Newton
20:27:10 <phila> kerry: Can you lead this bit Linda?
20:27:22 <phila> Linda: Not too prepared but I can step in...
20:27:26 <kerry> topic: Feedback from Data on the Web Best Practices
20:27:40 <phila> ... I was looking through the minutes from last time. The topics that we wanted to discuss more were mostly around APIs
20:27:52 <kerry> q?
20:27:54 <phila> ... What to write about that and maybe also something about the DQV
20:28:12 <phila> Linda: And there was something more about identifiers, but I'm not sure why.
20:28:21 <phila> ... I'd like to hear from DWBP on these
20:28:30 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:28:42 <phila> ack b
20:28:47 <kerry> ack BernadetteLoscio
20:28:51 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:
20:29:07 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: WE had some discussions about APIs and made some changes in the GH doc
20:29:34 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataAccess
20:29:40 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: One of our worries is the intesection between the BPs.
20:29:56 <newton> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI
20:29:57 <phila> ... No 25 says document your APIs which is related to SDW 29 that says APIs should be self decribing
20:30:23 <phila> ... They seem to be more generic, so we were thinking - if the BP that we have is enough for you, or what change should we make?
20:30:34 <phila> ... Or should we add a new one to incorprate your needs
20:31:40 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Our 26 is similar to your 28
20:31:49 <phila> Linda: Looking
20:32:07 <phila> ... Our 28 says you should have a convenience API that allows users to ask basic questions - make simple queries
20:32:16 <phila> ... because APIs tailored to a simple goal
20:32:27 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think we don't have this kind of detail
20:32:39 <annette_g> no , we don't have that in dwbp
20:32:59 <phila> ... What we were discussing, for e.g., this notion of data granularity isn't clear for us. Is that the same as subsetting data?
20:33:05 <phila> Linda: Yes, making a subset of the data
20:33:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: How do you see this?
20:33:24 <kerry> q?
20:33:43 <annette_g> *the line is noisy
20:34:13 <phila> Linda: I think that some of the content that we have in SDW on APIs is more detailed. It's up to you how much of our content you'd like to use.
20:34:21 <phila> ... I know that JT offered to worm with you on that
20:34:41 <ChrisLittle> s/worm/work/
20:34:48 <annette_g> *it's better now
20:35:27 <annette_g> q+
20:35:35 <ChrisLittle> * the panting dog is back on audio
20:35:41 <phila> ack an
20:36:08 <phila> annette_g: There are some things that we're thinking about changing in DWBP. Maybe we can make those changes and then let you know
20:36:17 <phila> ... Then SDW can decide whether you want to keep it.
20:36:39 <phila> ... We looked at your self documentation info. We might say that self-documenting is a way to do that.
20:36:50 <phila> ... And we may offer something on subsetting
20:36:59 <phila> ... We can make those changes and then you can take a look
20:37:21 <phila> Linda: That sounds like a good approach to me
20:37:39 <phila> ... If you make some changes, then please let us know, especially Jeremy, Payam and me
20:37:50 <phila> ... If you're adding more content on APIs then we can lose some of ours
20:38:09 <annette_g> *I don't hear any sound
20:38:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:38:51 <phila> ack b
20:38:59 <kerry> ack BernadetteLoscio
20:39:01 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I talked about the identifiers section at the end of the meeting
20:39:23 <phila> ... I was reading the SDW doc. You have some BPs for identifiers that are similar or that cover things that we don't cover
20:39:51 <phila> ... And I was wondering ... what I'm worried about is that we have BPs that are similar in 2 different documents. Maybe we're going to have a common audience
20:40:46 <phila> ... I think for e.g. you haev BP1 on gloablly unique identifiers and we have BP11 on persistent IDs for datasets. We don't have anything like your BP2
20:41:04 <phila> ... So is there a way for us to refer to your doc? Can we cooperate more closely?
20:41:13 <Linda> q+
20:41:13 <phila> ... For e.g. BP2 is not specifically spatial
20:41:14 <kerry> q?
20:41:14 <newton> (we are without numbering in our BPs for while, so, for now, its easier to see the index on this page: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html )
20:41:21 <kerry> ack Linda
20:41:51 <phila> Linda: What we tried to do in SDW is that it's an extension of DWBP
20:41:58 <phila> ... We want to avoid having similar BPs.
20:42:28 <phila> ... What we have is a first draft. There are thing there that I don't think are specifically spatial, so if we can move some of our BPs to your doc, that makes sense to me
20:42:31 <kerry> q+
20:42:37 <newton> s/haev/have/g
20:42:39 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Thank you
20:42:47 <phila> Linda: Then we'd have to discuss which ones.
20:43:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think we have to have this discussion in our WG too of course. It woujld be good to align them.
20:43:25 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We discussed this in our WG - how our BPs can be extended in specific domains anda SDW will be one of those.
20:43:37 <phila> Linda: That's interesting as we're alreadyt doing and we can describe how to do it.#
20:43:38 <kerry> ack kerry
20:43:54 <annette_g> q+
20:43:58 <phila> Linda: So at the moment, when we think there's an overlap, we make a reference to you
20:44:03 <phila> ack an
20:44:06 <kerry> ack annette_g
20:44:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:44:18 <kerry> q?
20:44:25 <phila> annette_g: I was just going to say that SDW has used references, that's fine - I don't think we need to do anythign spedcial with that
20:44:28 <kerry> ack BernadetteLoscio
20:44:45 <newton> s/anythign spedcial/anything special/g
20:44:53 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I was saying that the idea of using references is all right but they have some BPs that we don't haev but that maybe we shuold have
20:44:55 <phila> annette_g: +1
20:45:06 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The ones they have shoujld be more specific
20:45:13 <phila> annette_g: Sounds like everyone agrees with that
20:45:18 <newton> s/shoujld/should/g
20:45:19 <phila> q+ to makea boring process comment
20:45:29 <phila> ack phila
20:45:29 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to makea boring process comment
20:47:06 <BernadetteLoscio> ok... i understand
20:47:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:47:38 <kerry> ack BernadetteLoscio
20:47:40 <phila> phila:
20:48:23 <phila> Talked about need for implementation evidnce requirements in DWBP and the fact that SDW is a joint Wg with OGC which *may* have an effect - certaunly we need to be aware of it if moving content
20:48:47 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Did you find a gap in our doc about linking data?
20:49:22 <phila> Linda: hard for me to answer as Jeremy wrote that. It says that it extends your BP. It talks about linking at data level, you ytalk about dataset level
20:49:24 <phila> q+
20:49:32 <phila> ack phila
20:49:33 <kerry> ack phila
20:50:09 <annette_g> q+
20:50:24 <phila> phila: That sounds like the BP I wrote needs more work
20:51:04 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Not sure we havae one about link creation
20:51:36 <phila> action: phila To look at data item linking cf SDW BP on this topic and see if more needs to be done
20:51:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Look at data item linking cf sdw bp on this topic and see if more needs to be done [on Phil Archer - due 2016-03-09].
20:51:55 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We dodn't talk about links because we dodn't want to be biased to RDF
20:51:58 <phila> ack AndreaPerego
20:52:00 <kerry> ack annette_g
20:52:01 <phila> ack an
20:52:19 <phila> annette_g: Were SDW thinking about hypermedia APIs for that or something else?
20:52:30 <phila> Linda: I don't have that in my mind
20:52:44 <kerry> q?
20:52:51 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:53:06 <phila> ChrisLittle: A lot of spatial data is complex, lots of objects in a box anbd you want to pick those out. That's not really hypermedia
20:53:28 <phila> annette_g: We've been adding a little more about hypermedia APIs and we are trying to say mnore about that
20:53:29 <kerry> ack BernadetteLoscio
20:53:39 <aharth> q+
20:54:05 <phila> ChrisLittle: I don't think we've talked about streaming at all. If we do then we would get into hypermedia
20:54:38 <phila> annette_g: Our discussion isn't about streaming, it's about an API that returns links as well as data
20:54:44 <aharth> q-
20:54:44 <phila> ack a
20:55:47 <phila> kerry: There was one more topic that, about data quality. Is there sometehign we can do about that. Do we need anotehr meeting?
20:56:05 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think it's better to meet about that separately with those editors (who aren't here)
20:56:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
20:56:30 <phila> Linda: I could get involved with that. We have to make some recommendations about precision and accuracy and I think the DQV could help us with that.
20:57:48 <phila> action: phila to put Linda in touch with Antoine and Riccardo
20:57:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Put linda in touch with antoine and riccardo [on Phil Archer - due 2016-03-09].
20:58:00 <phila> Topic: next meetings
20:58:15 <phila> kerry: No joint meeting next week, but the sub groups should meet
20:58:35 <phila> ... Ed and I will try and join those calls
20:59:01 <phila> kerry: We can use this IRC channel and the agendas and minutes can go in the same system as we use for the group.
20:59:16 <phila> ... The meetings are open to all, they're just specialised to SDW.
20:59:20 <ChrisLittle> +1 to kerry re minutes irc etc
20:59:50 <phila> kerry: Any more comments?
20:59:55 <ChrisLittle> bye
20:59:57 <billroberts> ok thanks, bye
20:59:58 <annette_g> bye, and thanks!
20:59:59 <RaulGarciaCastro> bye
21:00:00 <phila> ... Then that will do for now.
21:00:06 <LarsG> bye and thanks
21:00:08 <Linda> bye
21:00:08 <phila> ... Thanks to DWBP folks for coming
21:00:09 <robin> bye
21:00:15 <laufer> bye
21:00:15 <newton> bye, thanks
21:00:20 <BernadetteLoscio> bye, thanks
21:00:22 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-sdw-minutes.html kerry
21:00:27 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Pleasure to be here thanks for having us
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21:02:44 <phila> regrets+ Jeremy, Frans, Lewis, Rachel, Ed, Danh, Clemens, Simon
21:02:54 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:02:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-sdw-minutes.html phila
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