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19:57:04 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:57:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:57:05 <trackbot> Date: 24 February 2016
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19:58:59 <kerry> regrets: Clemens, Jon Blower
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20:07:02 <ahaller2> i ca volunteer
20:07:12 <ahaller2> s/ca/can
20:07:14 <SimonCox> onya Armin
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20:07:50 <kerry> scribe: ahaller2
20:07:57 <kerry> scribeNick ahaller2
20:08:17 <billroberts> present+ billroberts
20:08:34 <ScottSimmons> +1 to Jeremy's idea
20:09:07 <billroberts> sorry I'm a bit late
20:09:14 <ChrisLittle> +1 to bumping nonIRC
20:10:09 <kerry> propose: apprive last weeks minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.html
20:10:19 <Linda> +1
20:10:20 <jtandy> +1
20:10:20 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:10:21 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
20:10:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:10:22 <kerry> +1
20:10:24 <LarsG> s/apprive/approve/
20:10:24 <eparsons> +1
20:10:25 <SimonCox> 1
20:10:25 <MattPerry> +1
20:10:27 <robin> +1
20:10:28 <jtandy> s/apprive/APPROVE/
20:10:31 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:10:49 <kerry> resolved: approve minutes
20:10:50 <LarsG> +0 (wasn't there)
20:10:57 <kerry> topic: patent call https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:11:25 <ClausStadler> +0 (unfortunately missed it as well)
20:11:54 <kerry> topic: Plan for meetings permitting parallel work
20:13:13 <ahaller2> kerry: separate meetings for subgroups, time, ssn, potentially best practises
20:13:50 <eparsons> q+
20:13:57 <ahaller2> ... proposal, subgroup meetings at the same time as currently, every other week
20:13:59 <kerry> ack eparsons
20:14:57 <ahaller2> eparsons: at F2F we agreed to have the subgroups have a meeting at a time of their choosing, and every other week we have the meeting at large
20:15:18 <jtandy> q+ to note that we were trying to deconflict participating in multiple activities
20:15:29 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:15:29 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to note that we were trying to deconflict participating in multiple activities
20:15:31 <kerry> q?
20:16:15 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:16:25 <kerry> ack ChrisLittle
20:16:29 <jtandy> q+ to suggest something ...
20:16:51 <ahaller2> ChrisLittle: agree to ed, leave people some flexibility to chose a time
20:17:27 <jtandy> q-
20:17:38 <SimonCox> for me: time & ssn
20:18:25 <kerry> who want to be here for BP meetings?
20:18:26 <jtandy> +1
20:18:28 <eparsons> +1
20:18:30 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:18:31 <billroberts> +1
20:18:31 <Linda> +1
20:18:33 <ScottSimmons> +1
20:18:35 <MattPerry> +1
20:18:37 <LarsG> +1
20:18:48 <ClausStadler> +1
20:18:53 <ChrisLittle> +0
20:18:54 <robin> +1
20:20:49 <kerry> who wants to attend time meetings?
20:20:51 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:20:52 <SimonCox> +1
20:20:53 <Linda> -1
20:20:57 <jtandy> -1
20:21:06 <eparsons> +0
20:21:06 <aharth> +1
20:21:10 <LarsG> +1
20:21:16 <kerry> +0
20:21:17 <AndreaPerego> +0
20:21:17 <SimonCox> Simon sticks his tongue out at Jeremy
20:21:20 <robin> +0
20:21:24 <ClausStadler> +0
20:21:25 <billroberts> +0
20:21:29 <MattPerry> +0
20:21:30 <ScottSimmons> +0.5
20:21:37 <jtandy> +1
20:21:51 <jtandy> reevaluate: +0
20:22:32 <kerry> who wants to attend ssn?
20:22:35 <Linda> +0
20:22:37 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
20:22:38 <ahaller2> +1
20:22:38 <LarsG> +0
20:22:40 <ChrisLittle> +0
20:22:41 <robin> +1
20:22:42 <kerry> +1
20:22:43 <ClausStadler> +1
20:22:45 <SimonCox> +0.5
20:22:47 <jtandy> +0.1
20:22:48 <billroberts> +0
20:22:50 <MattPerry> +0
20:22:59 <eparsons> -1
20:23:09 <ScottSimmons> +0
20:24:08 <billroberts> +1 !
20:24:12 <eparsons> +1
20:24:14 <aharth> coverage
20:24:15 <ScottSimmons> +1
20:24:17 <jtandy> +1
20:24:19 <Linda> +0
20:24:20 <eparsons> +1
20:24:21 <billroberts> +1 (again)
20:24:22 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:24:24 <MattPerry> +0
20:24:28 <robin> +1
20:24:45 <kerry> +1!
20:24:45 <LarsG> +0
20:24:46 <RaulGarciaCastro> +0.5
20:24:47 <jtandy> s/+1 !/who wants to be in coverages/
20:24:48 <ClausStadler> +0
20:25:17 <billroberts> I can work it out from this list, thanks
20:25:25 <jtandy> q+
20:25:41 <SimonCox> (is Jon Blower on the coverage list?)
20:26:44 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:27:31 <ChrisLittle> * Simon - will work on Jon B
20:27:44 <ahaller2> jtandy: meeting with the data on the web people was scheduled for next week
20:28:32 <ahaller2> eparsons: intention was to have more meetings, not less, thus we should keep the one next week
20:28:38 <billroberts> @SimonCox I'll assume Jon Blower is interested and include him in meeting time consultation
20:29:13 <ChrisLittle> @billroberts good idea
20:29:13 <ahaller2> kerry: next week a full meeting at this time slot, with data on the web, after that we start with every alternate week
20:29:32 <jtandy> [so we need to set up the multiple meetings for w/c 7-march?]
20:30:26 <ahaller2> eparsons: requirement for the editors of these subgroup meetings to inform the list and to keep the wiki updated with the agenda at least 24h before the meeting
20:30:27 <RaulGarciaCastro> Also with aproval of minutes and patent call and so on?
20:30:39 <ahaller2> s/aproval/approval
20:31:04 <ahaller2> kerry: yes, it should include minutes and patent call
20:32:00 <ahaller2> kerry: should be in the same irc channel, i.e. #sdw
20:32:06 <kerry> q?
20:32:07 <ChrisLittle> @SimonCox let us start sooner rather than later
20:32:28 <kerry> topic: Temporal Issues Time Issues and Notes
20:32:30 <SimonCox> About time!
20:32:51 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Time_Issues_and_Notes
20:34:53 <ahaller2> ChrisLittle: commented on his notes, and that these notes should be discussed in the time working group
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20:37:02 <ahaller2> SimonCox: we have this nailed already ;-)
20:37:21 <kerry> +1
20:37:58 <kerry> q+
20:37:59 <jtandy> q+
20:38:18 <kerry> ack kerry
20:38:34 <ahaller2> ChrisLittle: homework would be to make these notes in the current owl time document
20:38:45 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:39:24 <aharth> q+
20:39:35 <kerry> ack aharth
20:39:38 <ahaller2> jtandy: point simon to existing vocabs such as dcat and datacube that turn on/off ttl syntax/rdf syntax
20:40:11 <ahaller2> aharth: question regarding predicates that compare time. Are they still in scope?
20:40:13 <kerry> +q
20:40:23 <jtandy> [and that the examples in those vocabs are provided in line]
20:40:35 <ahaller2> SimonCox: no reason to interfere with that part
20:41:06 <ahaller2> aharth: if you get imprecise with time, how do you do the comparison operators
20:41:38 <ahaller2> SimonCox: comparison operator result will be undefined in certain circumstances
20:41:48 <AndreaPerego> ack Kerry
20:41:53 <kerry> ack kerry
20:41:58 <kerry> q?
20:42:12 <kerry> +1 to simon
20:42:15 <ahaller2> kerry: there is a strong user base of time, thus we would have to have a very strong reason to change or remove current components
20:42:26 <ChrisLittle> +1 to Simon
20:42:48 <ahaller2> SimonCox: fully aware of that and have this as a principle
20:43:08 <kerry>  topic: SSN: progress report and IoT-lite [1]
20:44:50 <ahaller2> ahaller2: regarding webprotege and upload of ssn parts to webprotege, I received the namespace only 3 days ago, and did not have time yet to upload it. will do until next meeting
20:45:29 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/Submission/2015/SUBM-iot-lite-20151126/#term_ActuatingDevice
20:45:55 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/Submission/2015/03/Comment/
20:46:53 <ahaller2> kerry: team comment was that this group should publish it as a note of the ssn work
20:47:10 <SimonCox> How does iot-lite interact with ssn 'skeleton'?
20:47:24 <ahaller2> ... this was done together with the web of things interest group
20:47:49 <SimonCox> There was some discussion on list about factoring the SSN ontology, different principles that might be used.
20:48:11 <ahaller2> ScottSimmons: this comes a bit cold
20:48:32 <SimonCox> OGC separates details into Observations vs Sensor-systems.
20:48:51 <ahaller2> ahaller2: also wonder how this interacts with the skeleton?
20:49:07 <SimonCox> To allow different specialization choices in each.
20:49:40 <ScottSimmons> I'll just note that the submission has multiple places to enter the OGC process, we will just need to mutually agree on the best place
20:49:41 <ahaller2> kerry: broadly it looks like ssn with some extensions
20:49:55 <ahaller2> ... has built into it the units ontology
20:50:02 <SimonCox> If skeleton classes are stubs, then that makes extensibility easier.
20:50:42 <SimonCox> qu-taxo is unavailable now! 404!
20:51:39 <ahaller2> ... deals with actuations, in a very light way
20:52:12 <ahaller2> ... has a notation of coverage, very simple geometric description that the device represents
20:52:13 <SimonCox> QUDT is OK ... but v2.0 is now about 3 years overdue, and only rolling out in a rather punctuated fashion.
20:53:23 <kerry> q?
20:53:30 <SimonCox> ssn 'skeleton'
20:53:45 <jtandy> q+ to wonder if this, or something similar, could be used as example around sensor data eg river flow gauge
20:54:48 <SimonCox> so where are the observation results (values) found in iot-lite?
20:54:59 <kerry> q?
20:55:05 <ahaller2> kerry: it is my believe that the observation part can be used in the ssn
20:55:24 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:55:24 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to wonder if this, or something similar, could be used as example around sensor data eg river flow gauge
20:56:21 <ahaller2> jtandy: some things we do around the emergency response example, we are keen to include sensor apis from the OGC and also stuff from this ontology
20:56:41 <SimonCox> q+ how does iot-lite relate to ssn skeleton?
20:56:44 <ahaller2> kerry: i think for that use case you should be looking at the full SSN ontology
20:56:58 <SimonCox> q+ where are the observation results (values) found in iot-lite?
20:57:30 <ahaller2> jtandy: adoption rate of sensor api in OGC is still minimal?
20:57:31 <SimonCox> q+ to ask how does iot-lite relate to ssn skeleton?
20:57:44 <ahaller2> ScottSimmons: yes, it is still in research stage use
20:57:46 <SimonCox> q+ to ask where are the observation results (values) found in iot-lite?
20:57:58 <ahaller2> ... some github players, but not yet wide adoption
20:58:02 <kerry> q?
20:58:36 <ahaller2> SimonCox: What is the relation with ssn skeleton and where is the value in the observation?
20:59:30 <ahaller2> kerry: it has not been aligned to SSN yet.
20:59:39 <ahaller2> SimonCox: It is somehow a parallel work to SSN?
21:00:00 <ahaller2> kerry: kind of, this should have a strong mapping to SSN, though.
21:00:40 <ahaller2> kerry: this is a metadata description and the value is delivered through an API attached to the service
21:00:54 <ahaller2> ... this is appropriate in IoT world
21:00:59 <SimonCox> SSN skeleton should provide high level view of how the moving parts are related to each other, without going into detail about 'content' of any of the classes.
21:01:28 <kerry> q?
21:01:35 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:01:35 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to ask how does iot-lite relate to ssn skeleton? and to ask where are the observation results (values) found in iot-lite?
21:02:13 <SimonCox> (Sorry - still haven't got the hang of zakim, so was a bit repetitive here).
21:02:20 <ahaller2> kerry: editors, please get in touch with people who want to participate in the subgroup
21:02:31 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:02:35 <RaulGarciaCastro> bye
21:02:35 <billroberts> thanks all - bye
21:02:36 <eparsons> bye !!
21:02:38 <ahaller2> bye
21:02:39 <kerry> bye!
21:02:45 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
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21:03:05 <kerry> regrets+ phila
21:03:11 <ChrisLittle> bye
21:03:16 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
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