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15:56:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
15:56:29 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:56:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:56:30 <trackbot> Date: 18 February 2016
15:57:23 <Kim> chair: Kimberly_Patch
15:59:12 <Kim> agenda+  Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
15:59:13 <Kim> agenda+  Finish 2.5.3 - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
15:59:15 <Kim> agenda+  Look at proposed 2.7 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
15:59:16 <Kim> agenda+  Next steps –  next meeting February 25
15:59:40 <Kim> clear agenda
15:59:46 <Kim> agenda+  Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
15:59:48 <Kim> agenda+  Finish 2.5.3 - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
15:59:49 <Kim> agenda+  Look at proposed 2.7 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
15:59:51 <Kim> agenda+  Next steps –  next meeting February 25
16:01:41 <chriscm> chriscm has joined #mobile-a11y
16:02:24 <Kim> Regrets+ Alastair, Alan
16:03:23 <marcjohlic> marcjohlic has joined #mobile-a11y
16:04:12 <Jatin> Jatin has joined #mobile-a11y
16:04:26 <Kim> Regrets+ Kathy
16:06:09 <jeanne> present+ jeanne, Chris, Jatin, Jon, Kim, Marc
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16:06:42 <jon_avila> scribe: jon_avila
16:06:47 <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
16:06:54 <jon_avila> present+jon_avila
16:07:37 <jon_avila> marc: question on m22 - think we said that would go away now related to 2.5.3.  Should I put strike through it on wiki
16:07:56 <jon_avila> Kim: use status column to say it has been removed
16:08:41 <jon_avila> kim: realized that it was not needed
16:09:30 <jon_avila> kim: thnink it was 2.5.3 and 2.5.4 touch target size covers the whole thing.
16:10:15 <jon_avila> marc: thought I had signed up for writing a failure technique.  Not sure which one -- will go through minutes to find out which one I volunteered for
16:10:37 <jon_avila> kim: some don't yet have github respotitory but are in wiki.  We can then work on Wiki and move to github.
16:10:46 <jon_avila> kim: Wiki links are there now.
16:11:40 <jon_avila> jeanne: didn't have good record of who signed up for what.  So we want to have chart and then action items to manage
16:12:32 <jon_avila> marc: think it was FM002
16:13:13 <jon_avila> jeanne: still working out permissions to wiki.
16:15:10 <jon_avila> jeanne: Jon write failure for 2.5.3 but found action item that Jan was going to revise 2.5.3 and he can't do it.
16:15:33 <jon_avila> Kim: Marc to take 2.5.1
16:17:08 <jon_avila> Kim: any volunteers for 03, 04,or 05?
16:17:35 <jon_avila> marc: will take 2,4, and 5.
16:17:55 <jon_avila> chris: will take FM003
16:17:59 <jon_avila> kim: Fm001 is done
16:18:23 <marcjohlic> present+ marcjohlic
16:18:44 <jon_avila> jeanne: 28,39,30 and are not assigned at all
16:18:49 <jon_avila> kim: will anyone take one of those?
16:19:56 <jon_avila> Jon Avila to 28
16:20:07 <jon_avila> Jon to take M28
16:22:55 <jeanne> https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#techniques-and-failures-for-success-criterion-2.5.4
16:23:24 <jeanne> M030 Multiple Elements: When multiple elements perform the same action or go to the same destination (e.g. link icon with link text), these should be contained within the same actionable element. This increases the touch target size for all users and benefits people with dexterity impairments. It also reduces the number of redundant focus targets, which benefits people using screen readers
16:23:24 <jeanne> and keyboard/switch control.
16:25:17 <jon_avila> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20-TECHS/H2.html
16:26:08 <jeanne> action: Marc to write FM002
16:26:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Write fm002 [on Marc Johlic - due 2016-02-25].
16:26:33 <jeanne> action: Chris to write FM003
16:26:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Write fm003 [on Chris McMeeking - due 2016-02-25].
16:27:01 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: Mobile A11Y TF WebEx https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m523c9f623a4979f4952a9bb93531b909 +1-617-324-0000,,,646316248#
16:28:37 <jeanne> action: Marc to write FM004
16:28:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Write fm004 [on Marc Johlic - due 2016-02-25].
16:28:55 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: Mobile A11Y TF WebEx https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m523c9f623a4979f4952a9bb93531b909 pwd matf +1-617-324-0000,,,646316248#
16:28:59 <jeanne> action: Marc to write FM005
16:29:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Write fm005 [on Marc Johlic - due 2016-02-25].
16:29:34 <jeanne> action: Jon to write M028
16:29:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Write m028 [on Jonathan Avila - due 2016-02-25].
16:29:50 <jon_avila> kim: can be problematic for speech world as you have to figure out how things work first time - so there are pluses and minuses
16:32:18 <jon_avila> kim: is anyone will to take on first draft M30?
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16:33:04 <jon_avila> kim: that will remain unassigned for the moment
16:33:35 <jon_avila> Kim: Jeanne, could you go right to the understanding stuff
16:33:37 <jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/
16:33:56 <jon_avila> jeanne: put in wrong link
16:34:22 <marcjohlic> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
16:35:23 <jon_avila> jeanne: trying to update list of what you are working on
16:35:33 <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
16:35:56 <chriscm> Can everyone double check their assignments on the wiki?  I just saved the set of changes regarding FM001 - FM005 and M28.
16:36:22 <jeanne> agenda?
16:36:27 <jon_avila> detlev: am listed for all the things I am working on in wiiki.  M29 could be mine as well
16:36:36 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 2
16:36:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Finish 2.5.3 - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer" taken up [from Kim]
16:36:41 <jeanne> https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
16:37:16 <jeanne> 2.5.3 Single Taps and Long Presses Revocable: Interface elements that require a single tap or a long press as input will only trigger the corresponding event when the finger is lifted inside that element. (Level A)
16:37:24 <jon_avila> jeanne: fixed numbers.  Text of 2.5.3 posted in
16:38:08 <jon_avila> jeanne: found thread of email from Patrick.  Found action item from Jan that he was going to write it but he cann't now.  Does anyone remember what we were going to do with 2.5.3?
16:38:46 <jeanne> Patricks' email thread  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0038.html
16:39:21 <jon_avila> jeanne: should talk about this next week if no one remembers?
16:40:03 <jon_avila> detlev:  need to review emails and someone shoudl dig through those and draft something -- person may need to get in touch with patrick.  Should have one person take up task.
16:40:34 <jon_avila> chris: will take up
16:40:49 <jeanne> action: Chris to research changes to 2.5.3 and write a new proposal.
16:40:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Research changes to 2.5.3 and write a new proposal. [on Chris McMeeking - due 2016-02-25].
16:41:09 <jon_avila> chris: is this a discussion and where should I put content based on the action item?
16:41:22 <jon_avila> detlev: m29 closely relates
16:42:27 <jeanne> action: Chis to draft M029 technique
16:42:27 <trackbot> Error finding 'Chis'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:43:11 <jeanne> action: Chris to write M029 technique
16:43:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Write m029 technique [on Chris McMeeking - due 2016-02-25].
16:43:55 <Kim> https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#techniques-and-failures-for-success-criterion-2.5.2
16:44:13 <jeanne> Swipe gestures are useful for displaying new content. Giving focus to new content via a swipe gesture also needs a gesture or method to move focus back to the main content — either by swiping to return or by informing the user of the method needed to return. These methods must work with assistive technology. This success criterion is the touch equivalent of WCAG 2.1.2 No keyboard trap.
16:46:45 <jeanne> Example 1: Infinite scroll of content, where there is additional content in the footer, but the user with assistive technology (e.g. screenreader) cannot move focus to the footer and therefore cannot read the footer content and may not even know that the footer content exists. .
16:47:03 <jeanne> Example 2: An infinite carousel advances with a swipe gesture. The instructions indicate that a touch outside the carousel will exit the carousel. The user can touch outside the carousel with assistive technology (e.g. screenreader) turned on.
16:47:05 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
16:47:46 <Detlev> Jeanne: suggestions for wording?
16:47:57 <Detlev> Chris: Dynamic content
16:48:17 <jeanne> Swipe gestures are useful for displaying dynamic content. Giving focus to dynamic content via a swipe gesture also needs a gesture or method to move focus back to the main content — either by swiping to return or by informing the user of the method needed to return. These methods must work with assistive technology. This success criterion is the touch equivalent of WCAG 2.1.2 No keyboard
16:48:17 <jeanne> trap.
16:49:09 <jeanne> Swipe gestures are useful for displaying dynamic content. Giving focus to dynamic content via a swipe gesture also needs a gesture or method to move focus back to the prior content — either by swiping to return or by informing the user of the method needed to return. These methods must work with assistive technology. This success criterion is the touch equivalent of WCAG 2.1.2 No keyboard
16:49:09 <jeanne> trap.
16:49:18 <Detlev> Jeanne: prior conten?
16:51:20 <Detlev> Detlev: question if trap is correct term
16:51:45 <jeanne> Swipe gestures are useful for displaying dynamic content. Giving focus to dynamic content via a swipe gesture also needs a gesture or method to move focus back to prior content — either by swiping to return or by informing the user of the method needed to return. These methods must work with assistive technology. This success criterion is similar to WCAG 2.1.2 No keyboard trap.
16:51:48 <Detlev> Jeanne: it's equivalent to trap - you can't get to content (say, foter)
16:52:11 <chriscm> +1
16:52:15 <Kim> +1 intent
16:52:17 <jeanne> +1
16:52:21 <Detlev> +1
16:52:28 <Jatin> +1
16:52:47 <jeanne> RESOLUTION: accept Intent for 2.5.2
16:55:25 <jeanne> Content that is after or outside of infinite scrolling content, and content that is off the visible screen can be accessed by screenreader users.
16:57:35 <Kim> Content that is after or outside of infinite scrolling content, or off the visible screen, can be accessed by screenreader users.
16:58:23 <Detlev> FM003 Failure of 2.5.1 Failure of 2.5.1 Component can be opened but cannot be closed with touch when a system screen reader is running. (Level A)  wold apply to  2.5.2 as well
16:58:50 <chriscm> +1
16:58:55 <jeanne> +1
16:58:59 <Detlev> Jeanne: any other issues?
16:59:00 <Kim> +1
16:59:02 <Detlev> +1
16:59:19 <jeanne> RESOLUTION: accept Understanding for 2.5.2
16:59:46 <Detlev> Jeanne: 2.5.3 will change based on Chris' input
17:00:16 <Detlev> Jeanne: has started new guideline 2.6 ans 2.7 (speech input)
17:00:47 <Detlev> Kim: give input on speech input  if you can
17:02:56 <Kim> Regrets+ Jan
17:03:28 <Kim> zakim, list participants
17:03:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim, Alistair, Kathy, David, Detlev, Jan, Marc, Jon, Jeanne, JF, Jatin, Chrism, jon_avila, MacDOnald, Jatim, alan, marcjohlic
17:05:47 <Kim> Present- Alistair, Kathy, David, JF, MacDOonald, Jatim, alan
17:06:17 <Kim> 	zakim, list participants
17:06:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim, Alistair, Kathy, David, Detlev, Jan, Marc, Jon, Jeanne, JF, Jatin, Chrism, jon_avila, MacDOnald, Jatim, alan, marcjohlic
17:06:55 <Kim> Present - Alistair, Kathy, David, JF, MacDOonald, Jatim, alan
17:07:02 <Kim> zakim, list participants
17:07:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim, Alistair, Kathy, David, Detlev, Jan, Marc, Jon, Jeanne, JF, Jatin, Chrism, jon_avila, MacDOnald, Jatim, alan, marcjohlic
17:08:32 <Kim> rrsagent, make minutes
17:08:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim
17:10:06 <jeanne> present- Chris, Jan, Jatin, MacDOnald
17:10:21 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:10:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
17:10:56 <jeanne> present+ Jatin
17:11:09 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes'
17:11:09 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes'', jeanne.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:11:18 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
17:11:38 <Kim> 	zakim, list participants
17:11:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim, Alistair, Kathy, David, Detlev, Jan, Marc, Jon, Jeanne, JF, Jatin, Chrism, jon_avila, MacDOnald, Jatim, alan, marcjohlic
17:11:44 <jeanne> present- jon
17:11:58 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
17:12:32 <jeanne> prsent- Jon
17:12:47 <jeanne> present- Jon
17:12:56 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
17:12:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
17:13:45 <Kim>  rrsagent, bye
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-actions.rdf :
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marc to write FM002 [1]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-26-08
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to write FM003 [2]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-26-33
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marc to write FM004 [3]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-28-37
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marc to write FM005 [4]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-28-59
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jon to write M028 [5]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-29-34
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to research changes to 2.5.3 and write a new proposal. [6]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-40-49
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chis to draft M029 technique [7]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-42-27
17:13:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to write M029 technique [8]
17:13:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-mobile-a11y-irc#T16-43-11