15:58:40 RRSAgent has joined #hcls 15:58:40 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/02/09-hcls-irc 15:58:42 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:58:42 Zakim has joined #hcls 15:58:44 Zakim, this will be HCLS 15:58:44 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:58:45 Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference 15:58:45 Date: 09 February 2016 16:01:03 Chair: David Booth 16:01:43 Topic: FHIR RDF spec on github 16:01:52 Tony has joined #hcls 16:03:20 Marc has joined #hcls 16:03:50 http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf/blob/master/spec/index.html 16:06:56 oops! eric moved it already. he's getting the new link... 16:06:59 http://w3c.github.io/hcls-fhir-rdf/spec/ 16:07:58 eric: github's convention is that a branch called 'gh-pages' will cause the HTML to be rendered. 16:08:16 ... I moved master to gh-pages. 16:08:44 hsolbrig has joined #hcls 16:10:04 ... If you have outstanding commits you need to set your remote to gh-pages 16:10:31 ... And I set the default branch to gh-pages 16:11:11 list branches: https://github.com/w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf/branches 16:12:48 ... If you do not have outstanding edits, then you should be able to change your remote branch 16:13:14 dbooth: Or just wipe out the copy on your local drive, and do a new 'git clone' of the repository 16:13:57 ... That should set up your default branch to be correct: gh-pages 16:14:31 lloyd: Probably want separate pages for what the RDF versus what the OWL looks like. Should model the RDF part after other FHIR pages. 16:15:09 View the draft spec here: http://w3c.github.io/hcls-fhir-rdf/spec/ 16:16:39 eric, raw xhtml link needs to be update also, to: https://github.com/w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf/blob/gh-pages/spec/index.html 16:23:15 "See spec/index.html" 16:23:43 GitHub repository -- See spec/index.html 16:24:54 rhausam has joined #HCLS 16:26:04 lloyd: Content needs to xhtml instead of html, and the content needs to be split between RDF and OWL pieces. 16:26:18 ... Some will care about RDF but not OWL. 16:26:38 ... The header/footer are easy enough to add later as long as we are consistent with heading levels, etc. 16:29:21 Here is a draft target, of what the RDF starting page should look like: https://hl7-fhir.github.io/rdf.html 16:30:31 lloyd: We'll modify the ref implementations to parse and produce RDF, and update the build process to convert all of the examples from XML to RDF and round-trip 16:30:55 tony: Add an RDF column? 16:31:54 lloyd: yes. When looking at a particular resource, one change is adding the RDF column. Also under each particular resource, there would be a section on RDF for that resource. 16:32:16 ... And on the downloads page, we would add a download for the OWL schemas. 16:32:25 tony: So the build tooling will generate the OWL classes? 16:32:57 lloyd: Yes. Two possible ways to do that. 1. an XSLT that runs on the Structure Definition syntax. 2. Write it in Java and include it in the build process. 16:34:05 dbooth: Should we work the side-by-side doc into the form in https://hl7-fhir.github.io/rdf.html ? 16:34:20 lloyd: Yes. Breaking into separate RDF and OWL pages. 16:34:42 ... Right now there is a placeholder for ontology.html, that would have the ontology description. 16:35:45 ... If you look at the XML and JSON tabs it is extremely generic, with a few examples. But the particular resources are scattered through the spec, and auto-generated. 16:36:06 ... The general principle is to be concise, because developers don't like to read a lot. 16:36:35 tony: Page 1.18.3 is manually written? 16:36:53 lloyd: Yes, with a few things auto-inserted for header/footer, etc. 16:37:45 tony: One deliverable is 1.18.3 16:38:13 1.18.3: https://hl7-fhir.github.io/rdf.html 16:38:40 lloyd: the other is 1.25: https://hl7-fhir.github.io/ontology.html which is under Documentation 16:39:06 dbooth has joined #hcls 16:39:22 lloyd: warning: the section numbers may changes 16:40:21 dbooth: Our Deliverables are listed here: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Deliverables_and_Editors 16:41:07 ... We need to split apart #1 to the RDF and OWL pages 16:46:57 dbooth: I have updated the deliverables list, to separately list the RDF page and the ontology page: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=RDF_for_Semantic_Interoperability#Deliverables_and_Editors 16:50:29 eric: In the resource definitions you have the logical table that comes from the structure def, and several tabs for XML, JSON and RDF, with invented languages for describing the data. I was thinking ShEx might be good there. 16:51:37 lloyd: The purpose of the XML and JSON views is to have somethign that looks like what an instance would look like, with some extra metadata embedded in a comment-y way, so that you can paste it into a document and quickly make a valid instance. We should think about what that syntax should look like. 16:51:58 eric: I prototyped that as ShEx so that we can see what it would look like 16:52:35 lloyd: We're really like to have xhtml with highlighting and all, so that we can see how it would look in the spec 16:52:54 www.w3.org/2016/FHIR-tutorial/Constellations?shexc 16:55:20 dbooth: Maybe use Turtle annotated with ShEx expressions? 16:56:30 lloyd: Depends on how terse it can be. Want people to have a sense of what the Turtle will look like. The computability of the metadata is not a driver at all. If it is useful we could provide the ShEx representation as an alternative, just as we provide schematron. 16:57:06 dbooth: Could have hover-over that shows the ShEx snippets. 16:57:24 lloyd: Hover-over gives the definitions. 16:58:09 ... Want somethign quite readable for someone familiar with Turtle, and it should require as little modifcation as possible to produce valid Turtle after copy and paste. 17:02:10 ACTION: dbooth to start separate RDF and Ontology docs on github 17:02:10 Created ACTION-49 - Start separate rdf and ontology docs on github [on David Booth - due 2016-02-16]. 17:05:00 Present: David Booth, Marc T, EricP, Brian Pech, Tony Mallia, Thomas Lukasik, Rob Hausam, Harold Solbrig 17:05:17 Topic: 5PM call 17:05:31 CANCELED today. 17:05:43 Tony: Won't have enough ready by 5pm. 17:05:48 ADJOURNED 17:15:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:15:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/09-hcls-minutes.html dbooth 19:08:44 Zakim has left #hcls