13:03:19 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 13:03:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-wot-td-irc 13:03:45 pablo has joined #wot-td 13:03:45 scribenick: DarkoAnicic 13:03:48 present+ Mohammed Dadas 13:04:08 DanhLePhuoc has joined #wot-td 13:04:21 Louay has joined #wot-td 13:04:29 present+ Louay_Bassbouss 13:05:01 present+ DanhLePhuoc 13:05:23 michael has joined #wot-td 13:05:38 present+ Toru_Kawaguchi 13:07:47 jhund has joined #wot-td 13:08:17 present+ DanhLePhuoc, dape, DarkoAnicic, katsu, kaz, Louay, mdadas, michael, schuki, Sebastian, taki, toru 13:08:43 Topic: recap of the f2f meeting last week (including plugfest and breakout outcomes) 13:09:04 present+ jhund 13:09:18 [ participants so far: Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, jhon, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Klaus_Hartke, Louay_Bassbouss, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Mohammed_Dadas, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Takuki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi, Victor_Charpenay ] 13:10:43 Sebastian: there is a wiki page with minuts from F2F meeting: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Breakout_topics_27-02-2016_28-02-2016#TD_Breakout_2_.2827-02-2016_13-16:00pm.29 13:11:38 pablo has joined #wot-td 13:12:18 Sebastian: current status presented, slides can be found here: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/a/a1/W3C_WoT_TD_Breakouts_Nice.pdf 13:12:50 [ participants so far: Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, jhon, Johannes_Hund, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Klaus_Hartke, Louay_Bassbouss, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Mohammed_Dadas, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Pablo, Takuki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi, Tuan.Tran, Victor_Charpenay ] 13:14:08 Sebastian: presents a short recap from the Plugfest 13:14:23 [ participants so far: Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Daniel_Peinter, Darko_Anicic, Frank_Reusch, jhon, Johannes_Hund, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Klaus_Hartke, Louay_Bassbouss, Matthias_Kovatsch, Michael_Koster, Mohammed_Dadas, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Pablo, Takuki_Kamiya, Toru_Kawaguchi, Tuan.Tran, Victor_Charpenay, shuki ] 13:14:29 Sebastian: ThingWeb Repository was introduced by Plugfest 13:14:56 TuanTranNhat has joined #wot-td 13:14:56 Sebastian: stores TDs from all demos, it can be queried, updated etc. 13:16:15 Sebastian: T2T introduction has been demonstrated (temperature sensor form France interacts with an aircondition device from Japan) 13:17:39 Sebastian: various demonstrations were presented, with more TDs than in Sapporo. Various supported protocols, e.g., HTTP, CoAP, MQTT, WS 13:19:06 Sebastian: feedback from Pkugfest: change of IP address should be kept up to date in the Thing's TD. 13:19:34 Sebastian: there was a question about the support for security in TD 13:20:31 present+ TuanTranNhat 13:21:03 Sebastian: further on, binding to the protocols. We add a property name to the IP addtress (uri). We could work on a better prosal here, e.g., HATEOAS 13:22:03 Sebastian: how to nest properties, how to handle absolute links (further open questions in the scope of TD-TF) 13:23:09 Sebastian: TD provides a basic semantic info, but the real semantics can be captured in higher-level vocabularies, ontologies etc. How to integrate and utilize them? 13:23:35 Sebastian: TechLandscpae wasa topic too 13:23:47 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/TF-TD/Technology%20Landscape/TechLandscape.md 13:24:41 Sebastian: we refined the topics and assigned names of people who are willing to contribute 13:25:59 Mohammed (Orange): I can contribute to the TechLandscape 13:26:18 s/TechLandscpae/TechLandscape 13:26:52 Michael: I can work on the TechLandscape too 13:27:20 s/Mohammed (Orange):/Mohammed_(Orange):/ 13:28:54 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/APIs_and_Protocols_TF#Technology_Landscape fyi. TF-AP Tech Landscape 13:29:07 Johannes: could Mohammed and Michale contribute to the API-related TechLandscape 13:29:26 s/wasa/was a/ 13:29:35 rrsagent, make log public 13:29:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:29:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 13:30:08 Victor: Schema.org is not tightly related to TD 13:31:04 pablo has joined #wot-td 13:31:16 Michale: agree, but can serve as as an example of a shared vocabulary used on the Web, and perheps we could do similar things related to WoT 13:32:15 Sebastian: for further propsoals on the TechLandscape, please propose via email 13:34:04 Topic: 2nd day of F2F - Break Out day 13:34:18 Sebastian: a joint session with DI-TF 13:34:29 s/as as/as/ 13:35:24 Minutus available: https://www.w3.org/2016/01/27-wot-td-minutes.html 13:36:04 s/Minutus/minutes/ 13:36:56 Sebastian: there was a discussion about HATEOAS 13:38:47 i|Sebastian:|and https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Breakout_topics_27-02-2016_28-02-2016#TD_Breakout_2_.2827-02-2016_13-16:00pm.29 13:38:49 Sebastian: a joint TD - SP session 13:39:50 Sebastian: whether and how to put security related information in TD 13:40:56 Sebastian: outcome: let us create examples of TDs with security related information, e.g., relaying on JSON Web token 13:41:29 Topic: 3rd day of F2F - Break Out day 13:42:22 Sebastian: Darko presented an example how to extend a TD (for a brightness sensor used in the Plugfest) with further contextual infomration (e.g., SSN ontology) 13:43:01 Sebastian: discussion was whether we could extend vocabulary in TD-TF 13:43:47 e.g., horizontal vocabular, i.e., not domain dependent. For example, for "on" and "off" 13:44:48 Sebastian: presents outcome of the discussion on what is in the scope of the future WG w.r.t TD-TF 13:47:37 Darko: regarding a horizontal vocabulary we could try to propose one and use it during our Plugfests, and if it turns to be useful and practical, then it could be a subject of the group's work 13:48:19 Sebastian: no new serilization format should be proposaed by us, i.e., we should relay on the existing ones 13:50:03 Johannes: system internal and generation of TD in the scope of AP-TF 13:50:54 s/serilization/serialization/ 13:51:21 Frank: the meeting was very productive 13:52:56 Frank: we cannot propose only one serialization format, the standard needs to be opened for various fomrats 13:53:45 Matthias: content negotiation mechanism should be used 13:55:08 Johannes: for existing APIs the question is whether I will be able to create a TD - is this in the scope of the group's work? 13:56:03 Matthias: for legacy systems, a gateway can be used 13:59:35 Sebastian: if one creates an API that is compliant with guidelines from us (API-TF), then there should be no problem. Exisitng systems that do not relay on such guidelines, can use gateways. However this is out of scope of the group's work. 14:00:13 Sebastian: you can still comment on subjects that are in/out of scope via emails 14:00:56 Sebastian: first to address is the subject on protocol bindings and planning for the next Plugfest 14:01:55 Mohammed: what is the conclusion on the presentation about oneM2M 14:02:56 Sebastian: it was a nice overview, the presented ontology is very interesting, although quite big 14:03:16 Sebastian: could be a good input for a colaboration with us 14:04:49 Johannes: possible colaboration on the level of abstraction between oneM2M and the API work, but oneM2M activities are more related the TD-TF 14:06:55 Michael: IoT semantic interopearbility workshop in March will be held in Silicon Valley. Everyone invited, please send a position paper. 14:07:23 s/in March will be held/will be held in March/ 14:09:35 Michael: it would be valuable to have a position of oneM2M at the workshop 14:10:07 Sebastian: please work on the TechLandscape, see you in 2 weekes. 14:10:18 rrsagent, create minutes 14:10:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-wot-td-minutes.html DarkoAnicic 14:12:03 taki has left #wot-td