00:55:16 RRSAgent has joined #auto 00:55:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-irc 00:58:43 urata_access has joined #auto 01:01:26 junichi_hashimoto has joined #auto 01:02:49 junichi_hashimoto has joined #auto 01:03:05 present: Paul_Boyes, Junichi_Hashimoto, Kaz_Ashimura, Shinjiro_Urata, Ted_Guild, Wonsuk_Lee 01:03:33 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2016Feb/0000.html 01:04:33 Paul has joined #auto 01:05:18 present+ Tatsuhiko_Hirabayashi 01:06:11 present+ Dave_Jensen 01:06:27 Present+ Wonsuk_Lee 01:07:08 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Player_One Ready Player One (banter while trying to identify caller 1. a really phone book that is going to be turned into a movie) 01:07:16 hira has joined #auto 01:07:21 s/phone/fun/ 01:07:58 paul: goes through the agenda 01:08:10 ... anything to add? 01:08:17 (nothing) 01:08:22 topic: April f2f 01:08:38 paul: Genivi will have its Member meeting in April 01:08:56 ... sent a message about hotel reservation 01:09:10 ... Soumya from Eurecom will make presentation 01:09:31 ... any questions? 01:09:43 junichi: goal of the f2f? 01:09:48 q+ 01:10:04 paul: Ryan Davis on media tuner 01:10:25 ... prime goal is going through the spec 01:10:28 ... testing 01:10:31 ... security 01:10:44 ... would coordinate discussion with Genivi 01:10:56 ... with Tier1 companies from Genivi 01:11:10 ... anything else? 01:11:35 junichi: wondering how to manage my contribution due to the difficulty with schedule 01:12:05 paul: will be hard if you are not there... 01:12:27 ... would some document on what would you like to see 01:12:50 junichi: would be good to have Genivi guys 01:13:07 paul: Genivi has security guys 01:13:28 ... great to get what they think about Web technology 01:13:34 ... security, etc. 01:13:49 agenda+ Other conferences 01:13:52 ... we should really get Continental, Visteon, Harman, etc. 01:15:21 ted: Junichi, if you can't make the f2f meeting 01:15:39 ... we have 2 days for the meeting? 01:15:41 paul: yes 01:16:03 ted: W3C session could be breakout calls 01:16:45 ... future collaboration between Genivi and W3C 01:16:52 ... Web browser PoC 01:17:12 ... very happy to have a pre meeting with Junichi on security 01:17:23 ... maybe by email we can have some discussion? 01:17:31 junichi: ok 01:17:51 hira: can you arrange a pre meeting on 26th of April on security? 01:18:25 ted: can hold a Doodle poll to get good timing for everybody 01:18:50 kaz: not necessarily April 26th? 01:18:55 paul: but sooner? 01:19:10 ted: maybe a week before 01:19:27 ... can send a poll to the group public list 01:20:00 hira: junichi, when would be good for you? 01:20:11 junichi: f2f on 26 is ok 01:20:30 ... have to call when it's 27-28 01:21:56 kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th? 01:22:13 (junichi is gone...) 01:22:29 junichi-hashimoto has joined #auto 01:23:10 kaz: junichi, do you mean you can come to Paris on April 26th? 01:23:10 junichi: yes 01:23:26 ... but not sure if security is a big topic 01:23:47 paul: would like to make security the center topic because Genivi security guys will be there 01:24:27 kaz: do you think we can talk with the Genivi security guys as well on 26th as a pre meeting? 01:24:29 paul: yes 01:24:37 ... we need to coordinate with them, though 01:24:43 q? 01:24:45 q- 01:25:16 ... Ted, what do you think? 01:26:00 ted: we had discussion during TPAC on what is needed 01:26:16 ... and we can get ideas from Genivi on what they're doing with their stack 01:26:38 ... one of them is joining as an Invited Expert 01:26:52 ... probably he could provide his insight 01:27:12 ... would get broader input as well 01:27:40 ... make sense to have a separate security TF call 01:28:03 ... during the whole Genivi AMM, could have breakout sessions 01:28:16 ... some people may or may not members 01:28:42 paul: we can help them pre-coordinate 01:29:30 kaz: so you agree to have a pre-meeting with Hashimoto-san on April 26th 01:29:45 junichi: tx 01:30:02 hira: btw, KDDI is not a Genivi meeting, but can we join the AMM meeting? 01:31:12 kaz: is the Genivi meeting for us will be Open Day again? 01:31:36 ted: W3C f2f meeting will be held during the Open Day 01:31:50 ... totally separate from Genivi 01:32:16 s/a Genivi meeting/a Genivi member 01:32:35 kaz: so theoretically, we'll invite Genivi guys to our meeting in Paris/ 01:33:30 ted: W3C is not part of Genivi, but I can ask them to let us join (some of) their sessions 01:33:54 paul: e.g., sessions they're debating 01:34:45 kaz: so Hira-san doesn't have to worry 01:35:01 agenda? 01:35:13 zakim, clear agenda 01:35:14 agenda cleared 01:35:16 paul: anything else? 01:35:18 (nothing) 01:35:23 topic: Issue 72 01:35:35 paul: will set up a call on the Issue 72 next week 01:35:56 agenda+ Testing 01:35:56 ... really clear to me this issue is regarding the level of APIs 01:36:10 agenda+ GENIVI W3C Liaison 01:36:16 ... vehicle data from car 01:36:21 agenda+ Security 01:36:36 ... I posted API guideline 01:36:45 ... Kevron agrees to join the call 01:37:00 ... think we can come to the conclusion 01:37:18 ... without going into the details 01:37:20 +1 01:37:54 urata: do we have TAG response? 01:38:28 ... they posted some comments but their conclusion would be gotten at their next meeting 01:38:38 https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ 01:38:51 paul: they didn't look at the Issue 72 01:39:10 ... so would suggest they look at the Issue 72 01:39:13 [they just had their f2f meeting, unsure of their next telconfernce. looking] 01:39:25 ted: not seeing response 01:39:35 ... still have a call next call 01:40:02 ... Tobie to understand our intention during a broader call 01:40:29 ... TAG had a f2f meeting, and will have meetings every a couple of weeks 01:41:20 ... conventions of APIs changes anyhow 01:41:34 ... more important is adoption to usages 01:41:50 s/usages/usage/ 01:42:11 paul: Tobie was thinking about a bunch of sensors 01:43:05 ... there are multiple issues on the thread 01:43:17 ... how do you clean up your garbage 01:43:32 ... would see a creation guideline 01:43:36 Paul++ for scheduling all these one on one calls in addition to this WG call to clear this up and get various perspectives 01:43:54 +1 01:44:03 paul: Dave, do you have any comments? 01:44:10 dave: no 01:44:16 q+ 01:44:18 paul: Tobie brought up good points 01:44:42 ted: please try to read the issue before the call 01:44:45 ack t 01:45:24 paul: there is app lifecycle as well 01:45:37 ted: different time out 01:45:56 paul: app lifecyle is outside of the spec, though 01:46:22 ... running in the foreground or background, etc. 01:46:44 topic: Testing 01:46:50 paul: Peter is not here 01:46:55 topic: Security 01:47:21 junichi: would like to put ideas from the specs to a Security Note 01:47:38 paul: great 01:47:39 agenda? 01:47:49 zakim, clpse agendum 1 01:47:49 I don't understand 'clpse agendum 1', ted 01:47:53 zakim, clpse agendum 3 01:47:53 I don't understand 'clpse agendum 3', ted 01:47:59 agenda+ Other conferences 01:48:12 ... regarding the call for issue 72 01:48:33 ... planning to have it at @@@ with Tobie 01:48:40 wonsuk: 2:30am for us... 01:48:44 hira: too difficult 01:49:09 s/@@@/9:30am PST/ 01:49:37 paul: any suggestions? 01:49:41 zakim, close agendum 3 01:49:41 agendum 3, Security, closed 01:49:42 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 01:49:42 1. Testing [from ted] 01:49:43 zakim, close agendum 1 01:49:44 agendum 1, Testing, closed 01:49:44 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 01:49:44 2. GENIVI W3C Liaison [from ted] 01:49:51 wonsuk: will be recorded in the minutes? 01:49:58 ... we can read the minutes later 01:50:15 q+ 01:50:20 ... then if we have concerns, we can raise an issue 01:50:33 urata: what Wonsuk said is OK 01:50:41 ... but I can join the call myself :) 01:51:48 wonsuk: anyway, can read the minutes from the call and raise issues if needed 01:51:51 paul: ok 01:51:55 zakim, next agendum 01:51:55 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ted 01:51:58 q- 01:51:59 zakim, next agendum 01:52:00 ted: a couple of quick things 01:52:00 agendum 2. "GENIVI W3C Liaison" taken up [from ted] 01:52:15 ... had Genivi/W3C Liaison call 01:52:25 ... biggest topic was LBS API 01:52:33 ... collaboration more actively 01:52:42 zakim, next agendum 01:52:42 agendum 2 was just opened, ted 01:52:43 ... also testing plan 01:52:48 zakim, close this agendum 01:52:48 agendum 2 closed 01:52:48 zakim, next agendum 01:52:49 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 01:52:49 I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, ted 01:52:57 -> http://www.tu-auto.com/cyber-security/conference-agenda.php Roundtable at TU Cybersecurity (Michigan, US) 29-30 March 01:52:57 -> https://www.w3.org/2016/04/w3c-track.html WWW 2016 (Montreal, CA) 13-14 April 01:52:58 -> https://www.w3.org/Member/Meeting/2016ac/March/Overview.html AC at MIT (Boston, US) 20-22 March 01:53:05 ... and the other item is conferences coming up 01:53:09 ... as above 01:53:24 ... W3C round table 01:53:42 ...TU cybersecurity in Michigan 01:53:51 ... discounting for W3C Member 01:53:51 @@link to discount 01:53:57 s/Member/Members 01:54:16 ... WWW Conference in Montreal in April 01:54:35 ... somebody interested can have Automotive talks 01:55:01 ... if there are enough people from the WG, can have a session 01:55:25 ... lastly AC meeting at MIT on March 20-22 01:55:46 ... have a session on industry vertical including automotive 01:56:10 ... if your AC is interested, we can send an invitation 01:56:13 paul: ok 01:56:16 ... anything else? 01:56:26 hira: can I go back to the API discussion? 01:56:43 ... had some discussion on Issue 72 last week 01:57:08 ... the proposal from Tobie wouldn't have strong advantage 01:57:32 ... so would clarify Pros/Cons of the current API and the new proposal 01:58:03 paul: can ask people to clarify Pros/Cons 01:58:47 ... who should we ask about that? 01:59:22 ... would go through the thread and summarize it 01:59:42 ... after the meeting next week, we should clarify that 02:00:10 kaz: if there is not a clear compromise after next week's call we should have a deeper discussion 02:00:10 kaz: agree 02:00:46 urata: agree with Hira-san, and would clarify the discussion points 02:00:58 ... because there are multiple discussion points in the thread 02:01:21 wonsuk: agree we need clarification 02:02:02 [ adjourned ] 02:02:20 rrsagent, make log public 02:02:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:02:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:02:56 Meeting: Automotive WG 02:03:01 Chair: Paul 02:03:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:03:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:03:54 i/and the other item is/topic: Conferences coming up/ 02:03:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:03:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:04:55 i/can I go back to/topic: Issue 72 (revisited)/ 02:04:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:04:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:06:12 s/the proposal from Tobie wouldn't have strong advantage/didn't see big advantage with the new proposal/ 02:06:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:06:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:06:55 i/if there is not a/scribenick: ted/ 02:07:10 i/agree with Hira-san/scribenick: kaz/ 02:07:30 s/kaz: agree// 02:07:33 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:07:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:08:10 i/paul: goes through/scribenick: kaz/ 02:08:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:08:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:09:43 s/topic: Conferences coming up// 02:09:55 i/Roundtable at/topic: Conferences coming up/ 02:09:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:09:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 02:10:14 rrsagent, stop 02:20:57 s|@@link to discount|https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2016JanMar/0051.html| 02:21:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 02:21:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-auto-minutes.html kaz 05:29:23 kaz has joined #auto 06:25:51 Zakim has left #auto 08:40:20 philrob has joined #auto 10:23:29 sam has joined #auto 12:10:57 sam has joined #auto 12:40:47 kaz has joined #auto 12:52:47 Karen has joined #auto 14:46:01 sam_ has joined #auto 15:01:32 sam has joined #auto