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14:41:21 <yosuke> zakim, this is Web+TV Cloud Browser TF
14:41:21 <Zakim> got it, yosuke
14:42:06 <yosuke> Chair: Alexandra
14:42:47 <yosuke> Meeting: Web+TV Cloud Browser TF teleconf
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16:03:39 <yosuke> It's just started, Mark.
16:03:42 <yosuke> Sorry for the delay.
16:03:44 <MarkVickers> I also can't join voice at 648 620 132. It also says meeting not started.
16:03:47 <MarkVickers> ok
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16:06:12 <alexandra_mikityuk> ok Oliver is also on IRC
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16:09:26 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:09:26 <Zakim> Present: yosuke, Antonio, MarkVickers, BobLund, Bryan_Sullivan, Bill_Rose, Chris_Needham, Colin_Meerveld, Dan_Druta, Kaz_Ashimura, Mark_Vickers, Nilo_Mitra, Oliver_Friedrich,
16:09:29 <Zakim> ... Alexandra_Mikityuk, Francois_Daoust, Louay_Bassbouss, Mitra, Stefan_Pham, Needham, Druta, Meerveld, joesteele
16:09:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see spham, cpn, Bill_Rose, NiloM, Louay, oliver_friedrich, dan, joesteele, bryan, tidoust, BobLund, alexandra_mikityuk, mdadas, tripu, MarkVickers, colin, yosuke,
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16:12:56 <yosuke> Alex: Let's get started.
16:13:12 <yosuke> ... We're now launching the CBTF
16:13:25 <yosuke> ... We had a discussion at TPAC, Sapporo
16:13:39 <kaz> i/Alex:/scribenick: yosuke/
16:13:44 <kaz> Scribe: Yosuke
16:13:51 <yosuke> ... Had presentaions on this topic there
16:14:02 <yosuke> Oliver, my colleague is here.
16:14:20 <yosuke> Oliver: We have a long history on this tech
16:14:36 <yosuke> ... and think W3C is the best plece to standardise it.
16:14:37 <kaz> s/Oliver, my/... Oliver, my/
16:15:17 <yosuke> ... We had some preliminary discussion at Sapporo
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16:15:45 <yosuke> ... Ex. EME and MSE might need some modification to be used on cloud browser.
16:16:01 <yosuke> ... Some other on going work will need some modification.
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16:16:31 <yosuke> Mark: I'm one of the co-chairs of the IG with Giuseppe and Yosuke.
16:16:51 <yosuke> @@1: I'm from Ericson, joining TV Control API work.
16:17:17 <yosuke> BobLund: From CableLabs. Worked on HTML WG texttracks.
16:17:28 <yosuke> @@3 (From Adobe): @@4
16:17:42 <joesteele> s/@@3/joesteele/g
16:17:54 <yosuke> Chris: I'm from BBC, joining TV Control, and IG.
16:18:09 <yosuke> @@4: I'm joining WebRTC.
16:18:17 <joesteele> s/@@4/Works on EME and MSE/
16:18:24 <kaz> s/@@1:/Niro:/
16:18:26 <yosuke> Bryan: from ATT.
16:18:46 <NiloM> s/Niro/Nilo
16:18:59 <kaz> s/@@4:/Dan:/
16:19:03 <yosuke> @@5: from ActiveVideo working on Cloud Browser, an Invited Expert.
16:19:22 <yosuke> Glenn: from NBCU, working on GGIE.
16:19:34 <yosuke> @@6: from Fraunhofer.
16:19:42 <kaz> s/@@6:/Louay:/
16:19:46 <yosuke> @@7:  from Opera Software
16:20:12 <kaz> s/@@7:/Andrzej:/
16:20:29 <yosuke> @@8: From @@9 univiersity, working on Cloud Browser techs.
16:21:04 <yosuke> Mark: Thanks a lot for your introduction.
16:21:53 <yosuke> team-webandtv-chairs@w3.org
16:22:18 <kaz> above is the ML of the Web&TV IG co-Chairs
16:22:23 <yosuke> ... If you have any questions, please send it to this relfector.
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16:22:46 <yosuke> ... Let me introduce the task force.
16:23:09 <yosuke> ... It's a really good time to start cloud browser work.
16:23:19 <yosuke> ... One important point of the IG.
16:23:30 <yosuke> ... IG focuses on usecases and requirements.
16:23:38 <yosuke> ... We don't do tech works here.
16:24:03 <yosuke> ... We pass our requests to other WG if something should be standardised.
16:24:11 <kaz> s/: @@4/: Works on EME and MSE/
16:24:31 <yosuke> ... So, the TF's goal is to create a clear requirement doc.
16:24:53 <yosuke> ... We have some online tools/spaces, reflector, wiki, and github.
16:25:04 <yosuke> ... The reflector is a good place to interact.
16:25:21 <kaz> s/@@5:/Colin:/
16:25:24 <yosuke> ... Please use [Cloud Browser] prefix for this discussion.
16:25:28 <NiloM> s/@@1:/Nilo:/
16:25:38 <yosuke> ... The ML is completely public.
16:25:49 <yosuke> ... The IG wiki is also public.
16:26:00 <yosuke> ... Each TF has its own area.
16:26:12 <yosuke> ... Now GGIE and CB have wiki pages
16:26:40 <yosuke> ... The wiki also contaned past TFs and
16:26:50 <yosuke> ... you can check what they achived there.
16:27:11 <kaz> s|public.|public: https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page|
16:27:14 <yosuke> ... The Mediapipeline TF's work resulted in MSE and EME.
16:27:28 <yosuke> ... This is a good example
16:27:36 <yosuke> ... of the goal of this CBTF
16:27:47 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/hnreq/ Home Network TF Requirements Note
16:28:08 <yosuke> ... You create use cases, requirement, which results in real tech work like MSE and EME.
16:28:17 <yosuke> ... Next step will be
16:28:27 <yosuke> ... presenting it to the WGs
16:28:41 <yosuke> ... or creating a CG like we did for TV Control API
16:29:05 <yosuke> ... CG is an interesitng opition
16:29:13 <yosuke> ... There is a WICG
16:29:21 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/tvapi/wiki/Main_Page TV Control API CG
16:29:30 <yosuke> .. it's also an interesting option as a destination
16:30:02 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF Cloud Browser TF wiki
16:30:10 <yosuke> ... Please put your name here.
16:30:15 <yosuke> ... There is a page to register participants
16:30:36 <yosuke> ... That said, I'd like to hand over the control to Alexandra
16:30:38 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/Cloud_Browser_TF_Participants TF participants
16:31:00 <yosuke> ... We are pretty impressed byt the presentations in TPAC Sappro.
16:31:10 <yosuke> Alexandra: I have two questions
16:31:21 <alexandra_mikityuk> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Main_Page/Cloud_Browser_TF/UseCases
16:31:36 <yosuke> ... I've created a use case template page
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16:31:52 <yosuke> ... Is this okay to gather use cases with this
16:32:15 <yosuke> ... And finish with the wrap-up doc like MPTG?
16:32:25 <yosuke> Mark: Right.
16:33:01 <yosuke> ... In case of the Media TF, they used wiki as well before they write the final doc.
16:33:13 <yosuke> ... One thing I forget to mention
16:33:15 <yosuke> ... IE
16:33:49 <yosuke> ... Conf calls and f2f meeting are only W3C members
16:34:11 <yosuke> ... IE status could be given during you are thinking about joining W3C
16:34:33 <yosuke> ... The reason of this is we need W3C staff resouce to make our work proceed.
16:35:13 <yosuke> Alexndra: MSE and EME perspective,
16:35:19 <yosuke> ... how we can/should involve browser vendors?
16:35:30 <yosuke> ... we should interact with WICG now?
16:35:37 <yosuke> Mark: Good question.
16:36:12 <yosuke> ... Affecting browser vendors is the key point of works in W3C.
16:36:22 <yosuke> ... My suggestion is
16:36:43 <yosuke> ... to start socializing with browser vendor guys.
16:37:03 <yosuke> Bryan: This is browsers on cloud.
16:37:23 <yosuke> ... so invoving browser vendors is definitely important.
16:37:50 <yosuke> ... At the same time, we might have other type of browser vendors
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16:38:08 <yosuke> ... for running on cloud. Not major browser vendors.
16:38:21 <yosuke> Alexandra: Thanks Mark.
16:38:41 <yosuke> ... We'll dig into use case on the next call.
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16:38:55 <yosuke> ... Let's talk about organizational point.
16:39:14 <yosuke> ... 1) Frequency of regular call
16:39:26 <yosuke> ... 3) date and time slot for it
16:39:31 <yosuke> s/3)/2)/
16:40:28 <yosuke> ... Shoud we decide it on the call or do it by using Doodle?
16:40:47 <yosuke> ... BTW, my motivation in this group is that
16:41:01 <yosuke> ... we've strugged for a long time on this tech
16:41:12 <yosuke> ... but this was a nitch market
16:41:30 <kaz> s/strugged/struggled/
16:41:39 <yosuke> ... and hope TF will work to let us get more implementations
16:41:58 <yosuke> ... The second thing is that
16:42:07 <yosuke> ... Some parties are interested in this work
16:42:15 <yosuke> ex. Hulu and Massive Interactive
16:42:21 <yosuke> s/ex./... ex.
16:43:15 <yosuke> ... Also we're intersted in standarsizing globaly on this topic.
16:43:40 <yosuke> ... Happy to have ActiveVideo and T-Versity on this call.
16:44:03 <yosuke> ... Not sure @@9 from South Korea on this call.
16:44:12 <bryan> the key point I was making (sorry for speaking so fast), is that the concept being discussed here is really a new type of web user agent, while similar in some ways to what Opera has offered since Mini, it really a cloud application with a (presumably) slim user-device-side component. Thus we are likely to see more implementations beyond the "big 5"
16:44:12 <bryan> browsers, e.g. media device vendors and even service providers. So we should encourage them to also participate, as with the traditional user agent vendors.
16:44:24 <yosuke> ... So we have alrady three implementations.
16:44:51 <yosuke> Ronen: Our product is Cloud Browser calld @@10
16:45:10 <yosuke> ... It recently adopted by Dish.
16:45:17 <kaz> s/T-Versity/TVersity/
16:45:49 <yosuke> ... Cloud Browser has a potential
16:45:52 <yosuke> ... to  achive isolate app for client terminal
16:46:02 <yosuke> s/for/from/
16:46:02 <kaz> s/@@10/tversity/
16:46:23 <yosuke> ... it has new posibility about privacy and security.
16:46:51 <yosuke> AV: This tech enables legacy boxes create
16:46:57 <yosuke> ... very smooth UIs
16:47:05 <yosuke> ... new tech like HDMI sticks
16:47:06 <kaz> s/AV:/Colin:/
16:47:28 <yosuke> .. This is a short introduction of our product.
16:47:35 <kaz> q+
16:47:37 <yosuke> Alexandra: Thanks.
16:47:57 <yosuke> ... We have a good relationship with thsese companies
16:48:00 <yosuke> ... on R&D.
16:48:18 <yosuke> ... I'll also contact Entrix later
16:48:36 <yosuke> ... About use cases:
16:48:49 <kaz> s/@@9/Entrix/
16:50:46 <yosuke> ... I expect we can gather use cases from variious parties
16:52:29 <yosuke> Kaz: Ronen is a one time guest, right?
16:52:30 <kaz> ack k
16:52:58 <yosuke> Alex: yes.
16:53:19 <yosuke> Kaz: We identify that kind of guest at the begining of a call.
16:53:45 <yosuke> Alex: Understood. Thanks.
16:54:07 <yosuke> Alex: Let's go back to regular call.
16:54:25 <kaz> s/one time guest/one time guest invited by you as the TF moderator/
16:54:46 <yosuke> ... How about starting with weekly and see we have enought topics
16:54:50 <kaz> s/variious/various/
16:55:01 <yosuke> ... and make it more infrequesnt if needed.
16:55:26 <yosuke> Oliver: Currently the use cases are TV centric
16:55:32 <kasar> good start weekly
16:55:56 <kaz> s/Ronen is/sorry but need to ask for clarification from the W3C procedure viewpoint. Ronen is/
16:55:58 <yosuke> ... but we might have other perspective on CB.
16:56:16 <yosuke> ... So, starting from weekly would work fine to see such new perspective ealier.
16:56:58 <yosuke> Alex: Please start submitting use cases on the wiki page
16:58:02 <yosuke> ... if you have any questions or issues to submit your ideas on the wiki, please let me know.
16:58:11 <yosuke> Alex: AOB?
16:58:25 <yosuke> ... [Adjourned]
16:58:32 <yosuke> ... See you tomorrow!
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16:59:41 <yosuke> gosh!
16:59:48 <yosuke> s/tomorrow/next week/
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17:03:03 <kaz> s/from Fraunhofer. also have Stefan/
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