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15:32:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:32:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:32:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:32:09 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2016
15:32:19 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
15:32:19 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
15:32:20 <Zakim> 1. Virtual FtF planning (duration? Video?) [from Joshue108]
15:32:20 <Zakim> 2. TPAC meeting planning [from Joshue108]
15:32:20 <Zakim> 3. UAAG/ATAG update [from Joshue108]
15:32:21 <Zakim> 4. Survey (Same one as last week, but the first question has been changed and a final question added): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/ [from Joshue108]
15:32:21 <Zakim> 5. Github issues walkthru. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues [from Joshue108]
15:32:37 <Joshue108> zakim, clear agenda
15:32:37 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:32:50 <Joshue108> agenda+ Extension document comment survey (https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Ext_req_comments/)
15:33:00 <Joshue108> agenda+ Survey (Items 3-5 only): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/
15:33:09 <Joshue108> agenda+ Github issues walkthru. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues
15:36:09 <Joshue108> Chair: Joshue
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15:49:45 <Joshue108> Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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16:03:51 <Kathy> present +Kathy
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16:07:35 <laura> present+ Laura
16:07:40 <laura> Scribe: Laura
16:07:46 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:07:46 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Extension document comment survey (https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Ext_req_comments/)" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:08:38 <david_000> +1
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16:08:55 <laura> JOC: Extensions being optional has caused some controversy.
16:09:03 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:10:05 <adam_solomon> +1
16:10:23 <laura> JOC: Reads proposed replcement form the survey.
16:10:35 <yatil> +1
16:10:37 <Kathy> +1
16:10:45 <laura> …it removes “optoional”.
16:11:28 <laura> Adam: Is there a risk that people may be confused and think extensions are required?
16:11:37 <laura> JOC: Maybe.
16:12:59 <Mike_Elledge> q+
16:13:01 <laura> JOC: we need to review verbiage. Recent twitter storm.
16:13:01 <jamesn> q+
16:13:29 <Joshue108> ack mike
16:14:46 <laura> Mike: When talk about extensions and tightening them is it a requirement or optional?
16:15:35 <david_000> q+
16:15:53 <laura> …depends on intention.
16:16:28 <laura> JOC: Indended as a modular bridging technology.
16:16:30 <Joshue108> ack james
16:17:22 <jon_avila> +1 to James and Adam
16:17:42 <laura> James: Risk of removing “optional” with policy makers.
16:18:20 <Joshue108> ack dav
16:18:35 <laura> JOC: Potentially an overhead.
16:19:05 <Joshue108> q?
16:19:07 <laura> David: explains history from 2014.
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16:19:18 <adam_solomon> q+
16:19:31 <Srinivasu> }Srini
16:19:40 <Srinivasu> +Srini
16:21:08 <laura> David: Twitterstorm with “optional” versus 2.1. Doesn’t think it will solve the complete twitterstorm.
16:21:53 <Srinivasu> Though we don't say it's NOT optional, but somewhere we may need to clarify it's required or optional... Else people keep asking.
16:21:53 <laura> JOC: People want WCAG 3. But we work in a deliberate way.
16:22:06 <laura> …More food for thought.
16:22:39 <laura> RESOLUTION: Leave open.
16:23:33 <david_000> q+
16:23:55 <laura> JOC: Asks MichaelC opinion
16:24:29 <laura> MichaelC: Can live with dropping it.
16:25:01 <laura> Kathy: Dropping the word doesn’t make it required.
16:25:22 <david_000> +1
16:25:28 <laura> …doesn’t disagree with anyone.
16:25:53 <jon_avila> I'd like to see some formal comments rather than just conjecture on twitter
16:27:10 <laura> Kathy: How we label the extensions may be the problem.
16:27:24 <Joshue108> q?
16:27:40 <laura> …who are your audiences an who are we trying to reach?
16:27:53 <laura> JOC: This is the draft.
16:28:02 <Srinivasu> I'm OK if we want extensions to be optional but there is someway we need to tell community that extensions are in addition to WCAG and they are really needed to consider. if not all, some of them are sort of required.
16:28:25 <laura> JOC: What is going to be the driver for people to adopt the extensions?
16:28:27 <Joshue108> ack adam
16:28:55 <Srinivasu> Reason I am a bit worried about "optional" is if we say optional, folks don't use it to most... then all the work being done by task forces may not get enough value.
16:29:21 <laura> Adam: Not against removing word “optional” if we have a replacement.
16:29:30 <laura> …needs to be documented.
16:29:49 <Joshue108> ack dav
16:30:37 <laura> David: The word optional isn’t the best word.
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16:31:18 <laura> …would like to remove the word.
16:32:37 <laura> JOC: Happy to see the term removed and replaced with other nomenclature.
16:32:39 <Joshue108> q?
16:33:29 <laura> Adam: agree with Davis. Needs to be clearer.
16:33:44 <Joshue108> '"Extensions are stand alone standards modules that build on the existing requirements for WCAG 2.0, and extensions are designed to work in harmony with the WCAG 2.0 standard."
16:35:19 <laura> Adam: Extensions build on WCAG.
16:35:26 <david_000> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-wcag2-ext-req-20160105/
16:36:29 <Joshue108> '"Extensions are stand alone standards modules that build on the existing requirements for WCAG 2.0, and extensions are designed to work in harmony with the WCAG 2.0 standard."
16:36:44 <Mike_Elledge> q+
16:37:26 <MichaelC> q+
16:38:06 <Joshue108> ack mike
16:38:10 <laura> Adam: would work for him. Replace the word.
16:38:13 <david_000> It sets requirements for WCAG 2.0 extensions, which are modules that add accessibility guidance to the base of WCAG 2.0 for those who claim conformance to WCAG plus the extension..
16:38:13 <Kathy> q+
16:38:31 <david_000> q+
16:38:39 <Joshue108> Mike suggests text - not mandatory but strongly recommended.
16:38:42 <Joshue108> ack mich
16:39:24 <laura> MichaelC:  2 instances of the word optional. Not worth the heartburn.
16:39:44 <laura> …we need to come up with wording.
16:41:05 <Joshue108> ack kathy
16:41:11 <laura> …only worry about the abstract.
16:41:17 <Kathy> ack me
16:41:51 <Joshue108> ack dav
16:42:48 <Joshue108> q?
16:42:54 <Joshue108> "Extensions are standards modules that build on the existing requirements for WCAG 2.0, and extensions are designed to work in harmony with the WCAG 2.0 standard."
16:42:55 <Joshue108> and
16:42:55 <Joshue108> "It sets requirements for WCAG 2.0 extensions, modules that add accessibility guidance to the base of WCAG 2.0."
16:43:39 <laura> Mike: we need some kind of language regarding conformance.
16:43:58 <laura> JOC: Leave open for now.
16:43:59 <Joshue108> q
16:44:01 <Joshue108> q?
16:44:20 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:44:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey (Items 3-5 only): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:45:06 <david_000> Extensions are standards modules that build on the existing requirements for WCAG 2.0, and extensions are designed to work in harmony with the WCAG 2.0. standard, for those who claim conformance to them.
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16:47:37 <Joshue108> Issue 99
16:47:53 <Joshue108> https://github.com/DavidMacDonald/wcag/commit/e0c2bb38578ebd35f6f5071b0752c73435251c77
16:47:54 <laura> TOPIC: ISSUE 99
16:48:20 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/results#xi99
16:48:54 <laura> David: Trying to do some harmonization
16:49:10 <laura> David: Has a pull request.
16:49:25 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/99
16:49:47 <laura> …basically a failure.
16:50:34 <Joshue108> q?
16:52:36 <laura> Mike: Okay with 14 and 17.
16:54:19 <laura> JOC: Reads AWK survey comment.
16:54:23 <Joshue108> q?
16:54:57 <laura> David: no recommendations in the failure tech.
16:56:40 <laura> David: each page is marked up separately.
16:56:53 <Joshue108> q?
16:57:05 <laura> David: we have 23 techniques.
16:58:22 <Joshue108> q?
16:58:42 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Issue 108
16:58:45 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/108
16:59:04 <laura> ACTION: David to add related tech and verify artifact in Fauilure.
16:59:04 <trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dmacdona, dsloan).
17:00:21 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/108
17:00:39 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/results#xi108
17:01:31 <Joshue108> SCR37: Creating Custom Dialogs in a Device Independent Way
17:01:35 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/SCR37
17:01:44 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/SCR36
17:01:49 <Joshue108> SCR36: Providing a mechanism to allow users to display moving, scrolling, or auto-updating text in a static window or area
17:01:55 <laura> Jon: WE need to make sure we are focused.
17:02:13 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/SCR26
17:02:17 <Joshue108> SCR26: Inserting dynamic content into the Document Object Model immediately following its trigger element
17:04:22 <laura> James: Seems like busy work.
17:05:19 <laura> JOC: not seeing compelling reason to merge them.
17:07:38 <laura> Jon: We could improve situations more.
17:07:54 <laura> …Technique needs updating if to be kept separate. There are differences when there are one dialog on a page, or multiple dialog. Focus management need may vary depending on how the dialog is open. So this could describe those situations better.
17:08:40 <laura> RESOLUTION: Leave open.
17:09:12 <laura> TOPIC: Issue 109
17:09:21 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/109
17:09:31 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/results#xi109
17:10:38 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/SCR19
17:11:07 <laura> Adam: Explains background.
17:11:30 <laura> …Proposed response: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/109#issuecomment-136608790
17:14:24 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:15:16 <laura> Jon: Test procedure limited. Does not apply to dynamic content.
17:15:28 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/SCR19
17:15:35 <Joshue108> q?
17:16:38 <laura> Adam:  Re-reads procedure. no mention of focus.
17:17:04 <laura> Jon: Test procedure needs to be updated.
17:17:52 <laura> JOC: Adam may need to update.
17:18:21 <Joshue108> ACTION: Adam Solomon to create updated technique for SCR19
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17:19:02 <laura> TOPIC: ISSUE 133
17:19:04 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/133
17:19:15 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/results#xi133
17:20:47 <laura> MichaelC: Would prefer if we are going to change, we should do it in a blanket way.
17:22:08 <laura> MichaelC: Can live with it going though.
17:22:52 <laura> JOC: Thanks everyone.
17:22:58 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
17:22:58 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:22:59 <Zakim> 2. Survey (Items 3-5 only): https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20161stSurvey/ [from Joshue108]
17:22:59 <Zakim> 3. Github issues walkthru. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues [from Joshue108]
17:23:19 <Mike_Elledge> bye! Feel better!
17:24:44 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:26:48 <laura> s/Davis./David./
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