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16:05:26 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:05:26 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:05:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, mostafa, Behnam, trackbot
16:05:34 <Behnam> present+
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16:05:42 <r12a> present+ r12a, Amr
16:05:46 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:05:46 <Zakim> Present: Behnam, mostafa, r12a, Amr
16:05:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, mostafa, Behnam, trackbot
16:06:11 <Behnam> agenda Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:06:16 <Behnam> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:06:24 <Behnam> agenda+ Glossary status
16:06:24 <r12a> regrets+ Shervin
16:06:30 <Behnam> agenda+ Review of Github issues
16:06:35 <Behnam> agenda+ Drafting status
16:06:38 <Behnam> agenda?
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16:08:00 <Behnam> Zakim, this is ALReq Weekly Meeting
16:08:00 <Zakim> got it, Behnam
16:08:48 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:08:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html r12a
16:08:51 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:08:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:09:20 <najib> Hi every body and happy new year!
16:09:31 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs world-visitble
16:09:38 <mostafa> Hi and happy New Year, Najib.
16:09:39 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:09:58 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:10:17 <Behnam> Chair: Behnam
16:11:06 <mostafa> Scribenick: mostafa
16:11:39 <Behnam> najib: I sent you the password over IRC direct message. Did you get it?
16:11:55 <Behnam> Scribe: mostafa
16:11:58 <Behnam> ScribeNick: mostafa
16:12:04 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:12:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:13:07 <mostafa> Richard: testing…
16:13:13 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:13:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html r12a
16:13:31 <najib> present+ najib
16:13:48 <najib> Thought the passwd was W3C
16:14:09 <Behnam> Zakim, this is ALReq Weekly Meeting
16:14:09 <Zakim> got it, Behnam
16:14:19 <najib> s/W3C//
16:14:30 <Behnam> Meeting: ALReq Weekly Meeting
16:15:15 <Behnam> agenda?
16:15:45 <Behnam> Topic: Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:16:31 <mostafa> Behnam: Let’s keep this one a short meeting. Do a quick touch base until next week that we have everybody in the meeting.
16:16:48 <Behnam> ACTION-24: Start drafting arrangement and joining behaviour
16:16:49 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-24 Start drafting arrangement and joining behaviour.
16:17:47 <Behnam> close action-24
16:17:47 <trackbot> Closed action-24.
16:18:20 <mostafa> … Shervin and Waseem told that they don’t have any updates for their actions.
16:18:31 <Behnam> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
16:18:34 <mostafa> … Action-24 and Action-41 are for Mostafa
16:18:49 <mostafa> Mostafa: Action-24 is already done and merged into the document.
16:19:05 <mostafa> … Action-41 is not done yet, but I’l have an initial draft next week.
16:19:20 <mostafa> Behnam: Action-40 is for Richard.
16:19:31 <Behnam> ACTION-7: Provide additional text for the section "fonts and typographical considerations" based on discussions on the mailing list and irc
16:19:31 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-7 Provide additional text for the section "fonts and typographical considerations" based on discussions on the mailing list and irc.
16:19:35 <mostafa> Richard: I haven’t worked on this yet.
16:19:47 <mostafa> Behnam: Action-7 and Action-32 are for Najib.
16:20:01 <r12a> q+
16:20:09 <mostafa> Najib: Action-7 doesn‘t have much update from my side. I have added some markup, but haven’t put it in the GitHub yet.
16:20:29 <mostafa> … You can close action-32. It’s already done.
16:20:53 <mostafa> Behnam: Re action-32: it’s already in the spreadsheet?
16:21:35 <mostafa> Najib: Finished the translation, but not the transliteration yet.
16:22:21 <Behnam> Draft Glossary: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/
16:24:34 <mostafa> q+
16:24:50 <Behnam> q?
16:25:30 <mostafa> Richard: Najib, I started doing some of the transliterations. I corrected a couple of things.
16:26:00 <Behnam> ack r12a
16:26:01 <mostafa> … Like using an “o” where there was an “a” or “u” or something like that, but I’d like you to continue on this.
16:26:12 <mostafa> Najib: Do you want to continue or do you want me to continue?
16:26:18 <mostafa> Richard: It’s up to you.
16:26:48 <mostafa> q-
16:27:38 <mostafa> Behnam: One point regarding translitarions: did we agree on using different transliterations for different languages?
16:27:51 <mostafa> Richard: Yes.
16:28:36 <r12a> http://r12a.github.io/pickers/arabic/
16:29:08 <mostafa> … Najib, you could continue transliteration by just adding vowels and using my picker tool.
16:29:55 <mostafa> Najib, do you still need some help for understanding GitHub? I did write some documentation.
16:30:04 <mostafa> … Shervin saw it and thought it was good.
16:30:15 <mostafa> Behnam: I had a quick look too.
16:30:31 <mostafa> Richard: We can send it to Najib.
16:30:34 <mostafa> q+
16:30:53 <Behnam> Action: Behnam to review the Github intro guide
16:30:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Review the github intro guide [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2016-01-19].
16:30:56 <mostafa> q-
16:30:59 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to send github information to Najib
16:30:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Send github information to najib [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-01-19].
16:31:03 <mostafa> … I’ll send it to the list.
16:31:21 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/
16:31:40 <mostafa> My third question is whether we should move the homepage to the GitHub too?
16:32:22 <mostafa> … That way it would be easier to edit the homepage.
16:32:40 <mostafa> Richard: Yes. It works for me. That would make it easier to edit for me.
16:32:54 <mostafa> s/Richard:/Behnam:/
16:33:08 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to move task force home page to github
16:33:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Move task force home page to github [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-01-19].
16:33:48 <mostafa> Richard: The URL will change, so it will be redirected from W3C server to the new URL.
16:34:42 <Behnam> q?
16:35:44 <Behnam> agenda?
16:36:04 <Behnam> Topic: Glossary status
16:36:19 <r12a> q+
16:36:24 <Behnam> ack r12a
16:36:25 <r12a> q-
16:36:46 <mostafa> Richard: Shervin was going to move the spreadsheet to the GitHub.
16:36:55 <mostafa> … Is he still doing that?
16:37:10 <mostafa> Behnam: Yes. There is an action item for that.
16:38:28 <Behnam> agenda?
16:38:36 <Behnam> Topic: Review of Github issues
16:38:56 <mostafa> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
16:39:45 <najib> q+
16:39:47 <r12a> rssagent, draft minutes
16:39:56 <mostafa> Behnam: Let’s just focus on the active issues and don’t review the ones that we’ve already decided to push back.
16:40:23 <mostafa> … Richard, do you want to talk about #22, variant letter shapes?
16:42:01 <mostafa> Richard: Shervin said that he’ll add some explanations to the document. So, I guess we should keep issue open until we have that text.
16:44:39 <mostafa> q+
16:46:02 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:46:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:47:27 <Behnam> q?
16:47:35 <najib> q-
16:49:56 <mostafa> Behnam: Should we close issue #21? Is that a dup of #16?
16:50:08 <Behnam> q?
16:50:17 <mostafa> Mostafa: I suggest adding a comment concluding the issue before closing it.
16:51:15 <mostafa> Richard: Agreed with Mostafa. Issue #21 was about whether we ant to do the transcription or not. And we decided that yes, we do that.
16:51:36 <mostafa> … So we can close #21 with a comment with that conclusion and talk about transcription schemes in #16.
16:51:47 <Behnam> q?
16:51:52 <mostafa> q-
16:53:48 <Behnam> "Font and typographical considerations" Draft #15
16:54:48 <mostafa> Najib: We can close issues #15 and #9. Both are the same.
16:54:50 <mostafa> q+
16:55:16 <r12a> +1 to Mostafa
16:56:27 <mostafa> Mostafa: We should keep one until we’ve merged the text into the document.
16:56:30 <mostafa> Behnam: +1
16:56:44 <mostafa> … Closing #15.
16:57:43 <Behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/13
16:57:46 <mostafa> q+
16:59:40 <mostafa> Mostafa: Issue #13 is a place for an ongoing discussion.
17:03:00 <mostafa> Richard: Regarding #13, Mostafa, we had a discussion about quotation marks.
17:03:42 <mostafa> Mostafa: Yes, I’m not going to hold a strong idea here. Doesn’t matter to me which way we go (using quotations literally or using spans). So I was going to send a PR implementing your idea.
17:04:33 <Behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/3
17:08:52 <mostafa> Behnam: What’s your idea about adding an “ongoing discussion“ label for labeling discussion-only issues?
17:09:23 <mostafa> Mostafa: +1. We can also have a “future” label for the issues that are not active right now.
17:10:17 <mostafa> Mostafa: Issues #3, #4, and #5 are to be added to the sctions that are not being drafted right now.
17:10:41 <mostafa> … Issues #3 and #4 belong to first section of the third chapter: “Alighnment and Joining Behavior”.
17:20:18 <mostafa> Behnam: Does “future” mean not including the version 1.0?
17:20:35 <Behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/8
17:21:28 <mostafa> Mostafa: We can just mean “future” as something we don’t want to review actively now.
17:21:32 <mostafa> Richard: +1
17:21:55 <najib> +1
17:22:00 <mostafa> Mostafa: We can create milestones for categorizing issues into the ones for the first version and future versions.
17:22:17 <mostafa> Behnam: I’m creating milestones now.
17:22:18 <Behnam> Open issues for the First_Public_Draft milestone: https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3AFirst_Public_Draft
17:22:40 <mostafa> Behnam: What is the status of #8?
17:22:59 <mostafa> Mostafa: We are waiting for Shervin to build the tables out of CLDR.
17:23:20 <Behnam> agenda?
17:23:29 <Behnam> Topic: Drafting status
17:23:38 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:23:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:23:54 <mostafa> Behnam: We covered most of the drafting status through action items and issues.
17:25:52 <r12a> q+
17:25:58 <mostafa> q-
17:27:23 <Behnam> q?
17:27:36 <mostafa> Najib: Arabic Representation Forms characters are sometimes useful and can be used to work around some problems.
17:27:43 <Behnam> ack r12a
17:28:09 <mostafa> Behnam: These have always been deprecated in the Unicode standard.
17:28:27 <mostafa> Richard: Agreed to Behnam. And we should not use them, because using them breaks data.
17:28:55 <mostafa> … So I guess it’s worth having something to talk about them and say that they should not be used.
17:29:04 <mostafa> q+
17:29:12 <mostafa> q-
17:30:02 <mostafa> Behnam: Chapter 8 of the Unicode has a good explanation of encoding issues and we can add a note about it.
17:30:28 <Behnam> ACTION: Write a paragraph to reference to the Arabic Script chapter of the Unicode Standard
17:30:28 <mostafa> q+
17:30:28 <trackbot> Error finding 'Write'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
17:30:33 <Behnam> q?
17:30:39 <mostafa> q-
17:30:48 <Behnam> ACTION: Behnam to write a paragraph to reference to the Arabic Script chapter of the Unicode Standard
17:30:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Write a paragraph to reference to the arabic script chapter of the unicode standard [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2016-01-19].
17:31:16 <Behnam> agenda?
17:32:47 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:32:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/12-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
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