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16:04:23 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Chaohai Ding , E.A. Draffan, Ayelet seeman,john
16:04:30 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
16:04:32 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review actions, and timelines
16:04:33 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)
16:04:35 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Issue papers - GA
16:04:36 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Techniques -  GA
16:04:38 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Other issue papers
16:04:39 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
16:04:46 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Chaohai Ding , E.A. Draffan, Ayelet seeman,John Rochford
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17:07:25 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: EA
17:07:43 <Lisa_Seeman> next items:
17:07:48 <Lisa_Seeman> next item:
17:07:51 <EA> Review of timeline
17:08:24 <EA> Deadlined end of Month Jan 2016 freeze all the content going into the gap analysis  - first working draft
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17:08:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:08:47 <EA> Stop working on it whilst content is ported by Lisa and Michael
17:09:16 <EA> Still go on working on issue papers that are outstanding whilst this porting is occurring
17:10:01 <EA> need to have enough in the working draft that people can see what we are working on
17:10:32 <EA> Lisa hopes that by July 2016 all the issue papers will be complete
17:11:27 <EA> Issue papers, summary of those papers and the table of user needs plus techniques completed and draft of extension proposal
17:11:58 <janina> present+ janina
17:13:01 <Lisa_Seeman> EA: slide project will be a great implmention and will identify gaps in what we are doing
17:13:27 <ddahl> present+ Debbie_Dahl
17:14:13 <EA> Lisa suggested that we also need to discuss epub and the extension for ARIA - need to add to techniques
17:15:30 <EA> Lisa is moving now to the sub groups - Mike to give a summary of WCAG proposal
17:15:45 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
17:16:21 <EA> Mike said that they had completed a full overview of the document - may need revisiting
17:16:50 <EA> Lisa said they were checking for the notion of making it testable and widely adaptible
17:17:15 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Summary
17:17:39 <EA> Other two subgroups - next on summary Janina and Rich - nearly fiinished this task - say 70% complete
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17:18:59 <EA> Mary Jo to add some solutions... Rich has made some comments but still feels more needs to be done to make it easier for others to read.
17:20:10 <EA> Layout issues arose - positioning of techniques and issues cropped up
17:20:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:21:25 <Lisa_Seeman> hi kurt - we are looking at https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Summary#Overview_of_techniques
17:21:41 <Kurt_M> Thanks
17:25:13 <EA> Rich said we need to 'paint a picture of the problem'  lack of research, lack  of 'personalisable' web at this stage, content modification, lack of standards for these and other aspects, build services to support needs - gaps shown and then offer techniques - People on the whole do not grasp the whole problem
17:25:16 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:25:25 <Mike_Pluke> q
17:25:27 <Lisa_Seeman> ack rich
17:26:35 <EA> Mike agreed with much of what had been said - offer alternate options but can offer low tech fall back options - not all or nothing and Rich agreed
17:28:09 <EA> Lisa pointed out that this was a summary of issues and the techniques with a table of the user needs
17:32:49 <Lisa_Seeman> ea: should we write the introduction now
17:32:59 <Lisa_Seeman> or fiurst finihsh the summary
17:33:30 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:35:09 <EA> Janina suggested finishing the draft and then consider writing the draft of the overall picture
17:35:52 <EA> Michael feels it is important to have an introduction - Lisa has Rich to help at the moment
17:36:01 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Lisa and Rich write a introduction for gap annalisis
17:36:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - And rich write a introduction for gap annalisis [on Lisa Seeman - due 2016-01-18].
17:38:04 <EA> Lisa asked whether we should keep the papers as issue papers rather than topics?
17:39:13 <EA> Issues paper are exploratory items - Michael felt that the name was not a problem and Rich agreed
17:41:49 <EA> Rich commented that we need to make things more easily found - bring solutions higher up the order and not have to deal with all the research.
17:42:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Summary
17:46:13 <EA> Discussion about cross links and the need to summarise the main points and then people go out to get extra information.
17:49:45 <EA> Rich commented that more needs to be brought into the section but it is not easy to make consumable
17:51:06 <EA> Lisa suggested that some headings are confusing with some that are repeated - needs to be revisited.
17:52:39 <EA> Lisa went on to look at the poll regarding the meetings to be help - Austin USA seems to be the only one that has 6 people which is not quorum - need 8 + people.
17:52:53 <Lisa_Seeman> http://doodle.com/poll/yfhxc4qx3bxku47g
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17:55:17 <EA> Janina and Michael felt that it was more about who was going to be attending the most important factor
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17:58:32 <EA> Lisa went on to the development of a table of user needs - Kurt and Tony - time pressures not so great as the summary.
17:59:29 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
18:00:22 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
18:00:41 <Lisa_Seeman> is it perscriptive?
18:01:09 <EA> Lisa asked everyone to look at the Proposal for WCAG to check that it is sufficiently prescriptive.
18:01:12 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:01:23 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:01:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/11-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:01:57 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:01:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, Debbie_Dahl
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18:05:45 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:05:45 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/11-coga-actions.rdf :
18:05:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa and Rich write a introduction for gap annalisis [1]
18:05:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/01/11-coga-irc#T17-36-01