16:01:48 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 16:01:48 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/01/07-mobile-a11y-irc 16:01:50 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:01:52 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 16:01:52 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 16:01:53 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 16:01:53 Date: 07 January 2016 16:02:04 chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin 16:03:43 Kathy has joined #mobile-a11y 16:04:07 present+ jeanne 16:04:13 present+ Kathy 16:04:23 agarrison has joined #mobile-a11y 16:04:39 agenda+ Recap of where we are 16:04:41 agenda+ Github demo (using technique from Alistair) 16:04:42 agenda+ Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments 16:04:44 agenda+ Continue to Review draft of Mobile Accessibility Extension - http://kwahlbin.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/ 16:04:45 agenda+ Next steps – next meeting January 14 16:05:07 Zakim, clear agenda 16:05:07 agenda cleared 16:05:12 agenda+ Recap of where we are 16:05:13 agenda+ Github demo (using technique from Alistair) 16:05:15 present+ 16:05:15 Jan has joined #mobile-a11y 16:05:15 agenda+ Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments 16:05:16 agenda+ Continue to Review draft of Mobile Accessibility Extension - http://kwahlbin.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/ 16:05:18 agenda+ Next steps – next meeting January 14 16:05:20 present+ 16:05:42 Present + 16:06:03 david_000 has joined #mobile-a11y 16:06:15 Present + 16:06:28 test 16:06:35 jon_avila has joined #mobile-a11y 16:06:40 present+jon_avila 16:06:53 Kathy: overview: working group feedback by end of this month 16:07:34 Topic: Github demo 16:07:51 will you screen share? 16:07:52 Present + 16:08:09 Alan_s has joined #mobile-a11y 16:08:21 Please provide webex password,thanks 16:08:56 I have not recieved a github invite 16:09:23 Jeanne: best practice giving key members of the working group access to Github directly to save time. Sent invitations inviting everyone become editor – accept invitation and you will have more direct access to the repository 16:12:03 https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note 16:12:07 Jeanne: two repositories for this group – the techniques are under last year's repo because we started working on these in 2014. That's where all the techniques are 16:13:35 Jeanne: you've got two views of any repo. The Github pages view – to read. The Github repo view you can edit the files. So you have a file to read in a file to edit and they are different URLs. 16:14:18 Jeanne: The readme filein the main repo page has step-by-step directions on how to edit a technique 16:15:38 Jeanne: looking at template, which is in M000. Has code already there. You don't need to know HTML in order to edit the technique. Anything that's in All Caps something that you should be changing or editing (make sure not to edit template file) 16:16:53 Jeanne: edit anything in capital letters – title, short name, status – put in the name of your technique and your name, if you have a link to the survey etc. 16:17:25 Jeanne: Click on pencil in top right to edit file – that's what giving you editor capabilities did 16:17:39 Jeanne: so don't touch the HTML code, but just type replacing capital letters 16:18:22 Jan: is there an easy way to view? 16:20:12 Jeanne: different URL 16:20:14 Jon: the difference is the extension is .io – after you save look at .io 16:21:01 Jeanne: on the assignments list there are links to both in techniques column – the initial link is read, the one at the end is the edit link 16:21:32 Jeanne: that link is also on the homepage of the Github repo 16:22:27 Jeanne: you can go into a forked copy, but it's easier if you use the pencil 16:25:34 Establishing that you need to have permission to use the pencil on the main fork – everyone should have permission. Hover over pencil, if it says edit this file you are all set 16:25:42 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments#Resources_and_instructions 16:25:53 Jeanne: here's the wiki page with the technique development assignments 16:26:42 Jeanne: the page also has links to instructions, Github etc. 16:27:51 Jeanne: There will also be a wiki page link for each technique – you can use that instead of Github. It will be the same template. 16:29:15 Jeanne: or you can use the wiki page for email, whatever you want 16:29:40 Discussing logistics 16:30:22 http://kwahlbin.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-navigation 16:30:59 Above URL that we were using – this is going to change 16:31:37 https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-TF-extention 16:32:08 https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension 16:32:22 Kathy's link is correct 16:32:43 https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension 16:33:12 Kathy: there's a forked copy up there which is going to be going away 16:33:56 I'm here... https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/index.html 16:36:53 Jeanne: please don't edit the extension right now – only edit the techniques. Very important. The techniques are in the note repository not the extension repository. Only Kathy and I will work on the extension category. So everyone else working on just techniques 16:37:22 Jeanne: this may change in the future but for right now no one else should edit the extension 16:38:59 Jeanne: Paragraph goes right under the success criteria – trying to avoid anyone else having to deal with WCAG XML. 16:39:43 Jeanne: make sure to just copy and paste text – no blanket copy and paste. Make sure to avoid making any changes to the code 16:41:12 Kathy: any other issues or questions about this? 16:42:09 Kathy: thanks everybody for giving this a try 16:42:18 Topic: Review technique assignments 16:42:53 Kathy: the ones we just signed before the break aren't in the list yet 16:43:10 Kathy: in the minutes right before the break 16:43:40 Kathy: any questions or concerns about getting your technique done in the next two weeks 16:44:07 Kathy: I think everyone on this call has been assigned a technique but if you don't have one let me know. I'm going to concentrate on writing the understanding pieces of the document 16:44:38 Detlev: looking at assignments page – don't know about M027 error messages 16:44:58 Jeanne: that one belongs to Alistair 16:45:18 Detlev: I just deleted those – need to be stored in the wiki 16:45:53 Kathy: added techniques for 2.5.1, I need to add those in. 16:46:14 Kathy: we are looking at getting the techniques and failures done underneath each 16:46:34 q+ 16:46:39 https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/ 16:47:31 Kathy: guideline 2.1 touch and pointer, looking to finish this. Need to get the techniques done in the next two weeks so we can review so the WCAG working group can start looking at it 16:47:39 Kathy: questions 16:48:07 Alistair: M0015? 16:48:21 Kathy: concentrating on touch and pointer – going down list 16:48:25 drop in a link 16:48:55 Jon: doing 2.5.3 failure 16:49:57 Alistair: taking M0015 16:50:55 Kathy: will send email to the list with the assignments 16:51:13 q- 16:53:15 Technique Development Assignments link: 16:53:17 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments 16:53:19 will be updated 16:53:21 Topic: Resuming Touch Size discussion 16:54:48 december discussions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Dec/ 16:55:06 Kathy: android says 48 DP and iOS says pixels – 16:55:13 I got kicked off the call 16:55:20 so did I 16:55:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Dec/0045.html 16:55:57 * me either 16:56:56 my call keeps dropping also 16:57:38 David: 44 pixels very specific in iOS context 16:59:07 Kathy: a pixel is the visual angle, DP is the same at some distance – common confusion point 16:59:20 Kathy: someone else has a conversion one DPI equals .75 pixels 16:59:27 ldpi: 1 dp = 0.75 px mdpi: 1 dp = 1 px hdpi: 1 dp = 1.5 px xhdpi: 1 dp = 2 px xxhdpi: 1 dp = 3 px xxxhdpi: 1 dp = 4 px 16:59:48 Kathy: depends on resolution, depends on device 16:59:52 http://androidpixels.net/ 17:00:42 Kathy: link showing conversions 17:01:15 * I have to jump off as I have another meeting. 17:01:20 Jan: there's a way once the device has told you how far it assumes from the person's eyes to convert 17:01:38 Kathy: may be more research on this so we can pick up and talk about this next time – I'll do more research as well. I'll also send out the list of assignments and techniques that we've got so far and we can go from there. 17:02:16 Jeanne: I added five more techniques to the chart and five new blank templates to github 17:04:44 zakim, list participants 17:04:44 As of this point the attendees have been Kim, Jeanne, Alan, David, Detlev, Henny, Kathy, agarrison, Jan, jon_avila 17:05:37 rrsagent, make minutes 17:05:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim 17:27:48 rrsagent, bye 17:27:48 I see no action items