01:13:09 RRSAgent has joined #webapps 01:13:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-webapps-irc 01:13:28 a? 01:13:31 agendum? 01:13:37 Zakim respond please. 01:13:52 zakim, what is the agenda 01:13:52 I don't understand 'what is the agenda', Travis 01:14:13 zakim, agenda? 01:14:13 I see nothing on the agenda 01:14:23 agenda+ 01:14:35 a+ webplatformtests not merging pull request 01:14:46 agenda+ discuss upcoming editing/beforeevents mtg 01:15:02 zakim, agenda? 01:15:02 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 01:15:03 1. discuss upcoming editing/beforeevents mtg [from xiaoqian] 01:15:09 agenda+ webplatformtests not merging pull request 01:15:37 agenda+ Thanks Xiaoqian for the help! 01:16:21 agenda+ automatic publication 01:17:00 agenda 1 01:17:02 agenda+ automating the manual tests 01:17:41 Present: Travis, garykac, xiaoqian 01:17:48 This Thursday/Friday we are meeting at Microsoft. 01:17:56 chair: Travis 01:17:59 ... to discuss editing-related things. 01:18:00 Present: masayuki 01:18:06 scribe: Travis 01:18:14 ... (and have a Bikeshed hackathon too) 01:18:25 Present: Travis, garykac, xiaoqian, masayuki 01:20:41 Is Johannes Wilm going to be attending that meeting (local or remote)? 01:20:42 He 01:21:20 He's the editor of the editing spec (now called input events): https://w3c.github.io/editing/input-events.html 01:22:12 The purpose of the meeting is to close on issues related to the input/beforeinput event (as I understand it), and to discuss static (dead) ranges 01:23:54 garykac: Only want to see everyone happy and the event in a state that we can implement. 01:24:37 Masayuki: did you have any concerns about these events? 01:25:01 We can send you a summary at the end of Thursday so that you can give feedback for Friday. 01:25:02 Also (for UI Events) if there are any discussions of order-of-events, we probably need to capture that. 01:25:35 garykac: let me check the email... 01:25:40 zakim, go to agendum 2 01:25:40 I don't understand 'go to agendum 2', Travis 01:26:07 zakim, take up item 2 01:26:07 agendum 2. "webplatformtests not merging pull request" taken up [from garykac] 01:27:20 garykac: er, you meant that you can send the email next Thursday... (I misunderstood) 01:28:56 masayuki: Sorry. I meant I can send out a summary Thursday night (PST) which you'll get Friday morning (Japan time). 01:29:27 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2425 01:30:55 Looks like that was merged! 01:30:57 Yay! It got merged. 01:31:22 zakim, go to the next item 01:31:22 I don't understand 'go to the next item', Travis 01:32:06 Cheat sheet: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html 01:32:10 garykac: I worry about beforeinput's detail. If it's fired not only with 'direct' user input, we need to discuss the security of nested call stacks. (e.g., editing content with JS shouldn't cause nested beforeinput events) 01:33:19 garykac: because beforinput is a cancelable event, so, browsers need to fire it synchronously. 01:33:26 masayuki: Yes. beforeinut needs to be cancelable, and it can't be nested. I'll keep that in mind during the discussions. 01:33:50 garykac: thanks 01:34:16 masayuki: in regards to nesting, I've previously proposed that it work like focus events, where a particular editable element "flags" that it will be firing the event, but only after checking to make sure the flag is not already set--prevents infinite recursion. 01:34:33 zakim, go to the next agendum 01:34:33 I don't understand 'go to the next agendum', Travis 01:35:01 zakim, go to next agendum 01:35:01 I don't understand 'go to next agendum', Travis 01:35:05 zakim, next agendum 01:35:05 agendum 1. "discuss upcoming editing/beforeevents mtg" taken up [from xiaoqian] 01:35:12 zakim, next agendum 01:35:12 agendum 1 was just opened, Travis 01:35:43 zakim, close item 1 01:35:43 agendum 1, discuss upcoming editing/beforeevents mtg, closed 01:35:44 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 01:35:44 3. Thanks Xiaoqian for the help! [from Travis] 01:36:06 zakim, take up item 3 01:36:06 agendum 3. "Thanks Xiaoqian for the help!" taken up [from Travis] 01:38:02 Travis: do you mean that if browser meets a case to fire beforeinput during firing another event, browsers can fire new beforeinput event asynchronously? (i.e., in such case, the event is not cancelable) If so, sounds reasonable. 01:38:49 masayuki: no. everything is still synchronous. It's only that if recursion happens, the event is not fired so the stack can unwind. 01:39:15 zakim, take up item 4 01:39:15 agendum 4. "automatic publication" taken up [from xiaoqian] 01:39:15 masayuki: the recursion can happen for different elements, just not the same element. 01:39:30 Travis: Okay, I see. 01:39:59 Travis: It's simpler than my previous comment. 01:40:05 auto publication: from now on, working drafts will be published automatically. 01:40:24 https://labs.w3.org/pubrules/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flabs.w3.org%2Fspec-generator%2F%3Ftype%3Drespec%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fw3c.github.io%252Fuievents%252Findex.html%253FspecStatus%253DWD%253BshortName%253Duievents&profile=WD-Echidna&validation=simple-validation&noRecTrack=false&informativeOnly=false&echidnaReady=true&patentPolicy=pp2004&processDocument=2015 01:41:13 masayuki: It matches what HTML says about synchronous focus/blur events: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/editing.html#element-level-focus-apis 01:47:54 Travis: Although, I don't see the definition of focus/blur events in the URL, but it's interesting. The definition must be different from current Firefox's behavior. I'll check other browsers' behavior. 01:57:39 zakim, take up item 5 01:57:39 agendum 5. "automating the manual tests" taken up [from garykac] 01:57:54 Apparently, this will require some additional work on the WebDriver team 01:59:16 Next time we'll start going over the uievent spec bugs - I believe there are about 50 total remaining because we had a bunch of new ones added over the past month. 01:59:27 Travis can't make it next week. 01:59:52 But the following week (the 19th) should be good. 02:00:19 Thank you everyone. 02:00:33 Thanks! 02:00:33 Next meeting: 19 Jan 2016 02:01:21 RRSAgent, make minutes 02:01:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-webapps-minutes.html xiaoqian 02:09:15 chaals has joined #webapps 02:24:27 marcosc has joined #webapps 02:26:50 Florian has joined #webapps 03:08:00 rniwa has joined #webapps 03:50:28 tantek has joined #webapps 04:07:16 chaals has joined #webapps 04:07:33 chaals1 has joined #webapps 04:35:12 tantek has joined #webapps 04:50:56 Florian has joined #webapps 05:52:12 Florian has joined #webapps 06:33:58 sicking has joined #webapps 06:52:45 Florian has joined #webapps 06:54:46 Florian has joined #webapps 08:43:49 sicking has joined #webapps 09:54:22 Florian has joined #webapps 09:57:01 jungkees has joined #webapps 09:57:30 LJWatson has joined #webapps 10:10:22 wilsonpage has joined #webapps 10:55:38 Florian has joined #webapps 11:56:12 Florian has joined #webapps 12:25:23 LJWatson has joined #webapps 12:50:44 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Travis, garykac, xiaoqian, masayuki 12:50:44 Zakim has left #webapps 12:50:59 I see no action items