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16:55:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:55:19 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2016
16:55:42 <janina> agenda?
16:55:46 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:55:46 <janina> agenda+ APA Housekeeping http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html
16:55:46 <janina> agenda+ Draft APA Decision Policy http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy
16:55:46 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
16:55:48 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:55:49 <janina> agenda+ Proposed Final Design for W3C Technical Reports http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jan/0007.html
16:55:52 <janina> agenda+ Pending CSS Flexbox CR http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox-1/
16:55:54 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:55:57 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
16:56:00 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:56:24 <janina>  zakim, next item
16:56:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
17:02:54 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jan/0008.html
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17:05:13 <JF> Present+ JF
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17:06:27 <janina> regrets: Rich, Shane
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17:08:25 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
17:09:31 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
17:10:04 <MichielBijl> JS: We've gotten off to a good start this year!
17:10:34 <MichielBijl> JF: Wilco and Marcy will be joining Deque this year!
17:10:48 <MichielBijl> MC: Working on the tracker migration.
17:10:59 <MichielBijl> MC: Hopefully migrate tomorrow
17:11:12 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "APA Housekeeping http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html" taken up [from janina]
17:11:43 <MichielBijl> JS: Expecting some new members (formally)
17:12:06 <MichielBijl> JS: Old mail list will bounce
17:12:56 <MichielBijl> JS: Propose we keep the Webex title the same (means we can keep the same Webex code)
17:13:05 <MichielBijl> MC: Might split
17:13:16 <MichielBijl> JS: Tracker has higher priority
17:13:24 <MichielBijl> JS: Might confuse new members
17:13:40 <MichielBijl> JS: If we have to explain this too often we might change it
17:13:45 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:13:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Draft APA Decision Policy http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/decision-policy" taken up [from janina]
17:14:35 <JF> agenda?
17:15:35 <MichielBijl> JS: Differences n PF we had 48 hours for CfC
17:15:36 <MichielBijl> JS
17:15:56 <MichielBijl> s/JS/JS: We tried to make that longer
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17:16:20 <cyns> present+
17:16:53 <MichielBijl> JS: Second change from PF, applies more to ARIA WG, teleconfrence are important parts of how the group functions
17:16:57 <LJWatson> q+
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17:17:33 <cyns> q+ to say it would be good to have a separate email that lists all the cfcs. Don't want to have to dig through minutes.
17:19:28 <MichielBijl> LW: If a resolution is proposed on a call, will we expect people to read the minutes for the CfC?
17:19:40 <MichielBijl> s/CfC/CfC resolution?
17:19:56 <MichielBijl> JS: We will make a note of it when we push the minutes
17:19:59 <LJWatson> ack me
17:20:04 <MichielBijl> JS: For this to work it needs to be fair
17:20:15 <JF> Q+ to ask if Zakim could be modified to auto-generate an email with CfC's
17:20:25 <MichielBijl> JS: Need to make it explicit in the e-mail
17:20:38 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
17:20:39 <janina> q?
17:20:53 <janina> ack cyns
17:20:53 <Zakim> cyns, you wanted to say it would be good to have a separate email that lists all the cfcs. Don't want to have to dig through minutes.
17:21:05 <LJWatson> +1 to Cyns
17:21:10 <MichielBijl> JS: Something like: Not just minutes, also includes CfC
17:21:22 <janina> ack jf
17:21:22 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask if Zakim could be modified to auto-generate an email with CfC's
17:21:27 <MichielBijl> CS: I don't want to read all the minutes
17:21:47 <MichielBijl> JF: Can it be automated?
17:22:24 <MichielBijl> MC: If you type "resolution:" the scribe script takes action
17:22:47 <MichielBijl> MC: Think they're also placed at the bottom of the minutes
17:23:58 <MichielBijl> MC: We would need to look into it
17:24:05 <janina> q?
17:24:31 <MichielBijl> JF: Yeah I'd love to read all the minutes, I don't get to attend all the calls or can read all the minutes
17:25:31 <MichielBijl> LW: What if we have multiple CfC's in the same minutes?
17:25:40 <MichielBijl> LW: That'll make it near to impossible to follow
17:25:44 <MichielBijl> JF: Good point
17:26:23 <MichielBijl> MB: What is the reason for this proposed change?
17:26:40 <MichielBijl> MC: Administrative overhead, but maybe that's the way it needs to be
17:26:52 <MichielBijl> MC: It might not be hard to automate it
17:27:10 <MichielBijl> JF: Can we find out?
17:27:11 <MichielBijl> MC: Yes
17:27:17 <janina> q?
17:28:16 <MichielBijl> LW: I don't mind volunteering until we have a automated solution
17:28:29 <MichielBijl> JS: Michael, do you want an action for this?
17:28:50 <MichielBijl> MC: Not necessary
17:29:00 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/resolutions PF Resolutions in Tracker
17:30:55 <MichielBijl> *discussion about dates on the tracker*
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17:32:31 <MichielBijl> MC: If we get CfC mails automated, can we get people trained to reply to those automated e-mails?
17:32:54 <MichielBijl> JF: Can we test this on this call?
17:33:10 <MichielBijl> JS: Let's handle one problem at a time
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17:33:28 <janina> q?
17:33:42 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:34:34 <MichielBijl> JF: next item?
17:34:36 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
17:34:44 <MichielBijl> JS: We have more to discuss, but let's move forward
17:34:44 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
17:34:44 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
17:36:14 <MichielBijl> MC: James set a couple of his actions to "pending review"
17:36:50 <MichielBijl> JS: Can we bounce those to the APA list?
17:37:05 <MichielBijl> s/those/e-mails to PF
17:37:16 <MichielBijl> MC: Let me see
17:37:53 <MichielBijl> MC: Splash screens are sometimes used to inform users on how to use an application
17:38:01 <MichielBijl> JS: Sounds worthy to me, anybody?
17:38:33 <MichielBijl> MC: James also send editorial comments (accessibility related)
17:38:47 <MichielBijl> MC: Might want to send them to the group non the less
17:38:55 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/mid/E1YnUr0-000GJq-1x%2540deneb.w3.org
17:40:33 <MichielBijl> JS: If there is no objection we have consensus
17:40:48 <MichaelC> close action-1648
17:40:48 <trackbot> Closed action-1648.
17:40:49 <MichielBijl> JS: Thank you James
17:42:47 <MichielBijl> JS: Let's take it up now
17:43:19 <MichielBijl> JS: I think it's more than enough guidens on what a good description looks like
17:43:27 <mck> action-1763?
17:43:27 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-1763 does not exist.
17:43:42 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1763
17:44:01 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jan/0014.html
17:45:12 <MichielBijl> JS: My proposal is that I just forward that to ??
17:45:29 <MichielBijl> s/??/MSE
17:45:46 <MichielBijl> JS: Currently accepted mechanism include longdesc
17:46:11 <JF> Q+
17:46:41 <MichielBijl> MC: What jumps out at me is that it describes colour
17:47:11 <MichielBijl> MC: I think there are formal names for all the symbols
17:47:30 <MichielBijl> MC: Arguments, colour and shape can help discussing with a colleague
17:47:40 <MichielBijl> JF: That's why I include it
17:47:48 <MichielBijl> JS: I think we can offer to help and refine it
17:48:53 <MichielBijl> s/it describes colour/it describes colour and shape information
17:49:10 <janina> ack jf
17:49:15 <MichielBijl> JF: I was on the fore front of the discussion of longdesc
17:49:27 <MichielBijl> JF: This image needs a long description
17:49:45 <MichielBijl> JS: Saying W3C has formally accepted longdesc might help
17:49:57 <jamesn> +1 to JF - lets state the issue not the solution
17:50:01 <MichielBijl> JF: That might stir up Cupertino
17:50:13 <MichielBijl> JF: Let's state the issue, not the solution
17:50:27 <MichielBijl> JF: We made our point
17:50:38 <cyns> +1 to john
17:51:31 <MichielBijl> LW: We're not going to include every possible way
17:52:54 <MichielBijl> Zakim, next item
17:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:55:15 <MichielBijl> MC: Not seeing anything jumping out that we need to look at
17:55:26 <MichielBijl> JS: One thing we need to care about is the screen API
17:55:36 <MichielBijl> JS: That you can lock it portrait/landscape
17:55:42 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/screen-orientation/ The Screen Orientation API
17:56:19 <MichielBijl> Zakim, next item
17:56:19 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Proposed Final Design for W3C Technical Reports http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jan/0007.html" taken up [from janina]
17:56:59 <MichielBijl> JS: fantasai has been working on a new TR design
17:57:12 <MichielBijl> JS: We've had comments in the past (colour contrast etc)
17:57:18 <MichielBijl> JF: I think it is good overall
17:57:34 <MichielBijl> JF: One of the things they did, they reduced the contrast for anchors
17:57:45 <MichielBijl> JF: They want to make it very readable
17:58:24 <MichielBijl> JF: They are trying to improve the readability if you have sentence with a lot of links
17:58:35 <MichielBijl> JF: They use a darker grey as underline
17:58:53 <janina> q?
17:59:06 <MichielBijl> JF: WCAG does not state underlines should meet colour contrast requirements
17:59:18 <MichielBijl> JF: fantasai has tweaked it a little bit
18:00:12 <MichielBijl> MK: I'm really wondering why you would consider the underline as part of the text
18:00:22 <JF> SAmple layout is here: http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/design/w3c-restyle/2016/sample
18:00:28 <janina> q?
18:01:42 <MichielBijl> JF: Asked a group member with low vision if the underline was clear, he said no
18:02:19 <MichielBijl> TZ: They need to do user testing
18:02:22 <MichielBijl> MB: Agree
18:02:37 <MichielBijl> JS: We need to stop
18:02:42 <MichielBijl> JS: Please take a look online
18:02:55 <MichielBijl> s/TZ/CS
18:03:18 <MichielBijl> JS: We'll need to continue this on-list
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