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16:02:18 <kaz> Meeting: Web&TV IG
16:02:54 <kaz> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-web-and-tv/2015Dec/0001.html
16:03:54 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimrua, Bill_Rose, Colin_Meerveld, Glenn_Goldstein, Kazuhiro_Hoya, Lauri_Ilola, Mark_Vickers
16:04:50 <kaz> present+ Giuseppe_Pascale
16:06:30 <kaz> present+ Bin_Hu
16:07:11 <Karen> of course
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16:08:47 <kaz> mark: the purpose is reviewing what happened at TPAC
16:09:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Face-to-face_meeting_during_TPAC_2015 TPAC f2f agenda wiki
16:09:28 <kaz> mark: slides are available on the wiki
16:09:45 <kaz> ... overview I presented covers the history
16:09:55 <kaz> ... some of the topics coming up as well
16:10:02 <kaz> ... TV Control API
16:10:09 <kaz> ... presented by Sean Lin
16:10:23 <kaz> ... it is a Community Group spec
16:10:29 <kaz> ... reviewed before TPAC
16:10:36 <kaz> ... got interest from web developers
16:10:49 <kaz> ... also from browser developers and standard groups like ATSC
16:10:57 <kaz> ... who sent a liaison letter
16:11:06 <kaz> ... there is interest to move that to a WG
16:11:17 <kaz> ... to bring the spec to standard
16:11:27 <kaz> ... is there further update about the spec?
16:11:29 <kaz> bin: yes
16:11:41 <kaz> ... we officially published the spec v 1.0
16:11:56 <kaz> ... also generating a draft charter
16:12:01 <kaz> ... transition ongoing
16:12:19 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/tvapi/ TV Control API v1.0 spec
16:12:31 <kaz> -> http://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/tvcontrol-2015.html draft WG charter
16:12:54 <kaz> bin: BBC and automotive TF are interested in working for the v2 use cases
16:13:08 <kaz> s/BBC/also BBC/
16:13:12 <kaz> mark: great
16:13:26 <Karen> q+
16:13:28 <kaz> ... anybody interested is welcome to work for the group discussion?
16:13:30 <kaz> bin: yes
16:13:46 <kaz> ... everybody welcome to join the group and participate in the discussion on the public list
16:13:50 <kaz> ack K
16:14:38 <kaz> karen: wondered if there is any specific company interested in W3C CES suite?
16:14:45 <kaz> bin: let's talk about that offline later
16:14:49 <Karen> karen@w3.org
16:14:57 <kaz> karen: put her email address
16:15:23 <kaz> mark: liaison for the CG discussed with the Web&TV IG
16:15:44 <kaz> ... Bin sent a detailed response to ATSC
16:15:58 <kaz> ... all the questions are mentioned by the response
16:16:12 <kaz> ... any more questions on TV Control API CG?
16:16:14 <kaz> (none)
16:16:16 <kaz> mark: move on
16:16:24 <kaz> ... GGIE task force
16:16:39 <kaz> ... Glenn Deen is the moderator
16:16:55 <kaz> ... the GG TF is an active TF with 20 participants
16:17:08 <kaz> ... working for requirements document
16:17:26 <kaz> ... detailed overview and next steps provided
16:18:12 <kaz> glenn: gap analysis and requirements
16:18:25 <kaz> ... spoked with IETF in Yokohama
16:18:42 <kaz> ... heads-up on what need to be handled
16:19:33 <kaz> ... new group named GIVE
16:19:47 <kaz> ... looking at content delivery
16:19:55 <kaz> ... what standards exist, etc.
16:20:02 <kaz> ... what W3C is doing, etc.
16:20:13 <kaz> mark: formal standardization organization
16:20:18 <kaz> ... formerly CEA
16:20:41 <kaz> glenn: set up interoperability discussion
16:20:58 <yosuke> s/formerly CEA/CTA formerly CEA/
16:20:59 <kaz> ... plugfest to consider what to standardize
16:21:31 <kaz> ... particularly focused HTML5-based video deliery
16:21:39 <kaz> s/deliery/delivery/
16:21:52 <kaz> mark: update after new years?
16:21:59 <kaz> glenn: yes, after CES
16:22:08 <kaz> ... not on my schedule yet, though
16:22:24 <kaz> mark: any questions?
16:22:37 <kaz> karen: same question would talk about offline
16:22:47 <kaz> ... who wants to see more engaged in GG work
16:22:59 <kaz> glenn: would see W3C setting up liaison
16:23:10 <kaz> ... number of crossed members
16:23:17 <kaz> karen: content providers?
16:23:21 <kaz> ... who is missing?
16:23:35 <kaz> glenn: number of people
16:23:43 <kaz> ... Comcast, etc.
16:23:50 <kaz> ... TV manufacturers involved
16:23:57 <kaz> ... giving a presentation at CES
16:24:13 <kaz> ... Thu. 7th Jan.
16:24:32 <kaz> mark: 10am local time
16:24:48 <kaz> ... in the LV convention center S105
16:25:12 <kaz> karen: tx
16:25:24 <kaz> mark: anything else?
16:25:33 <kaz> (none)
16:25:58 <kaz> mark: next topic is summary on update on sourcing in-band media resource tracks
16:26:11 <kaz> ... CG created out of the Web&TV IG discussion
16:26:31 <kaz> ... Bob Lund and Silvia Phifer
16:26:49 <kaz> ... that spec is basically a series of media transport
16:26:55 <kaz> ... MPEG Transport, etc.
16:27:01 <kaz> ... HTML5 data access
16:27:19 <kaz> ... every HTML5 UA provides access for data stream
16:27:30 <kaz> ... mapped with the same way
16:27:41 <kaz> ... referenced by the HTML5 spec
16:27:53 <kaz> ... it's also possible to be extended
16:28:02 <kaz> ... further for HLS, etc.
16:28:25 <kaz> ... not sure if the spec is published as a final spec
16:28:44 <kaz> ... referenced from the HTML5 spec
16:28:53 <kaz> ... any questions?
16:28:58 <kaz> (none)
16:28:59 <kaz> q?
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16:29:21 <kaz> mark: then we had a sort of seminar session
16:29:30 <kaz> ... update on use of Web platform
16:29:38 <kaz> ... adapted in the TV world
16:29:42 <kaz> ... update on some of them
16:29:55 <kaz> ... Giuseppe presented HbbTV
16:30:01 <kaz> ... Hybridcast by NHK
16:30:08 <kaz> ... DLNA by Mark
16:30:12 <kaz> ... RDK
16:30:19 <kaz> ... and ATSC 3.0 by Giri
16:30:35 <kaz> ... HTML5 usage for external specs
16:31:02 <kaz> ... feel free to provide further update
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16:31:31 <kaz> ... would expect there will be some commercial products at CES
16:31:36 <kaz> ... questions?
16:31:37 <kaz> (none)
16:31:41 <kaz> mark: moving along
16:31:56 <kaz> ... update on 2 important specs, MSE and EME
16:32:17 <kaz> ... JavaScript APIs for adaptive video for media streaming
16:32:34 <kaz> ... and media decryption capability
16:32:53 <kaz> ... widely implemented
16:33:00 <kaz> ... work continuing
16:33:15 <kaz> ... EME has more open bugs
16:33:25 <kaz> ... expected to fixed in 2016
16:33:38 <kaz> ... very active thread in the HTML media TF
16:34:05 <kaz> ... since TPAC, reorganization on HTML work
16:34:31 <kaz> ... HTML WG and WebApps WG held discussion on the central Web technology
16:34:41 <kaz> ... have become the Web Platform WG
16:34:55 <kaz> ... and separate Web Media Extension WG
16:35:13 <kaz> ... currently under vote by the AC
16:35:33 <kaz> ... extending the HTML WG and rename it to the Web Media Extension WG
16:35:47 <kaz> ... MSE/EME to be completed
16:35:55 <kaz> ... under vote now
16:36:17 <kaz> ... AC reps to vote
16:36:41 <kaz> ... please contact your AC reps and ask them to respond
16:36:54 <kaz> ... please do vote on that!
16:36:58 <Karen> +1 Mark for bringing up the topic
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16:37:20 <kaz> mark: next topic: Timed Text WG update by Nigel
16:37:25 <kaz> ... rechartering for the group
16:37:34 <kaz> ... looking into the charter process
16:37:49 <kaz> ... not sure whether it's completed or still ongoing
16:38:16 <Karen> q+
16:38:35 <kaz> giuseppe: thought already rechartered
16:38:43 <kaz> karen: see Nigel on the IRC
16:39:06 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/03/timed-text-charter.html timed text wg charter
16:39:14 <kaz> karen: second version of TTML
16:39:35 <kaz> ... we were belatedly aware that W3C's TTML is awarded at Emmy in January
16:39:40 <kaz> ... excited with this news
16:39:57 <kaz> ... PLH will accept the award
16:40:01 <kaz> mark: congrats!
16:40:10 <kaz> ... recognition for the good work
16:41:03 <kaz> ... some new work there
16:41:08 <kaz> karen: IMSC?
16:41:11 <kaz> mark: right
16:41:11 <Karen> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux from MovieLabs submitted a TTML Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles and Captions 1.0  (IMSC1)
16:41:22 <kaz> s/IMSC/IMSC1/
16:41:32 <kaz> mark: great job for Emmy
16:41:58 <kaz> karen: HBO, Netflix, SIMPTE, etc.
16:42:25 <Karen> Telestream are also honorees in the category of: "Standardization and Pioneering Development of Non-Live Broadband Captioning"
16:42:36 <kaz> mark: next is takeaways from the Web&Digital Marketing WS
16:42:39 <kaz> ... by Wendy
16:42:48 <kaz> ... maybe somebody has comments?
16:42:52 <Karen> q+
16:42:58 <kaz> ack k
16:43:10 <kaz> mark: you can find slides on that
16:43:19 <kaz> ... and could contact Wendy
16:43:40 <kaz> ... next: updates from the Second Screen Presentation WG
16:43:43 <Karen> q-
16:43:46 <kaz> ... Louay gave presentation
16:44:00 <kaz> ... gathering interest in browser support
16:44:23 <kaz> ... move on
16:44:25 <Karen> For Digital Marketing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRWicOffMfGNEBRHcNgtItpkFCgXar949QdOYz4S1g0/edit
16:44:40 <kaz> mark: very interesting presentation on test runner
16:45:05 <kaz> ... W3C Web Platform Test doesn't work with TV very well
16:45:31 <kaz> ... discussion and demonstration on adapting platform test runner to TV
16:45:33 <kaz> ... great work
16:45:39 <kaz> ... questions?
16:45:49 <kaz> q+
16:46:12 <kaz> ... Yosuke, any update?
16:46:29 <kaz> yosuke: clarifying the requirements
16:46:39 <kaz> ... to improve the mainstream test runner
16:46:47 <kaz> ... adapting it to TVs
16:46:58 <kaz> ... would upload to the GitHub shortly
16:47:05 <kaz> ... contacted test runner writers
16:47:19 <kaz> ... planning to write a W3C blog entry on that
16:47:27 <kaz> mark: great
16:47:31 <kaz> ... tx for the update
16:47:35 <kaz> ... very impressive demo
16:48:01 <kaz> ... lot of inclusions in TVs which should go into HTML5
16:48:08 <kaz> q?
16:48:59 <Karen> Kaz: We need to improve API
16:49:26 <kaz> kaz: agree this is an important and should be useful to improve the test runner for vehicle API by the Automotive WG, etc.
16:49:36 <kaz> mark: would be great to have a video on the blog post
16:49:42 <kaz> yosuke: great idea
16:49:46 <kaz> ... would try
16:49:56 <kaz> mark: any question?
16:49:57 <kaz> ack k
16:50:00 <kaz> (none)
16:50:04 <kaz> mark: next
16:50:12 <kaz> ... Multi Device Timing CG
16:50:37 <kaz> ... the spec and implementations are very tightly tied together
16:50:46 <kaz> ... good demonstration at TPAC
16:51:03 <kaz> ... recently call for interest
16:51:12 <kaz> ... much interest in multiple devices
16:51:23 <kaz> ... would more IG people work on that
16:51:30 <kaz> s/work/to work/
16:51:45 <kaz> ... next: Cloud Browser APIs TF
16:52:13 <kaz> ... cloud browsers have different approaches
16:52:25 <kaz> ... decided to have a TF to standardize them
16:52:42 <kaz> ... create a Cloud Browser APIs TF
16:52:48 <kaz> ... GGIE also continues
16:52:53 <kaz> ... one week after
16:53:11 <kaz> ... cloud browser TF is well-prepared
16:53:18 <kaz> ... got right people and timing
16:53:29 <kaz> ... will get strong requirements document
16:53:48 <kaz> ... may go into a new CG or some existing WG
16:53:54 <kaz> ... transitioning to WG
16:54:00 <Karen> q+
16:54:06 <kaz> ... encourage people to participate in the TF in January
16:54:10 <kaz> q?
16:54:34 <kaz> karen: not sure if Colin introduced himself
16:54:43 <kaz> mark: great
16:54:55 <kaz> colin: working for ActiveVideo
16:55:18 <kaz> ... virtualization of video stream
16:55:35 <kaz> ... focus on APIs
16:55:43 <Karen> Welcome, Colin!
16:55:45 <kaz> mark: great
16:56:07 <kaz> ... overall goal of the Cloud Browser APIs TF is having standard API
16:56:19 <kaz> ... for multiple different implementations
16:56:32 <kaz> ... different server implementations as well
16:56:38 <kaz> ... makes a lot sense
16:56:53 <kaz> ... please to have your expertise
16:56:59 <kaz> s/please/pleased/
16:57:29 <kaz> topic: action items
16:57:44 <kaz> mark: the first agenda item is TV Control API
16:58:05 <kaz> ... Sean Lin to email IG inviting review of the spec
16:58:11 <kaz> ... GGIE TF
16:58:21 <kaz> ... continue the current work
16:58:31 <kaz> ... world wide TV specs
16:58:43 <kaz> ... Mark to start new Web Media Profile CG
16:58:55 <kaz> ... continue joint work
16:59:44 <kaz> kaz: so not create a new CG but continue the work within the IG?
16:59:47 <kaz> mark: yes
17:00:28 <kaz> ... might need a bit different mechanism but would continue our work
17:00:48 <kaz> mark: ATSC 3.0 as mentioned
17:01:05 <kaz> ... MSE/EME updates and potential implementations
17:01:11 <kaz> yosuke: talked with NHK
17:01:24 <kaz> ... and they've issued issues on MSE/EME
17:01:36 <kaz> mark: Timed Text WG update
17:01:49 <kaz> ... Nigel to email IG
17:02:01 <kaz> ... takeways from digital marketing ws
17:02:07 <kaz> yosuke: will do
17:02:13 <kaz> s/takeways/takeaways/
17:02:24 <kaz> mark: updates from second screen wg
17:02:34 <kaz> ... IG review
17:02:42 <kaz> ... test runner for TV
17:02:48 <kaz> ... Tomo-Digi to send list
17:02:57 <kaz> ... Multi Device Timing CG
17:03:03 <kaz> ... Francois to email IG
17:03:14 <kaz> ... Cloud Browser APIs
17:03:19 <kaz> ... create a TF
17:03:28 <kaz> ... that's all from the f2f at TPAC
17:03:29 <Karen> W3C at suite #310 at CES :)
17:04:24 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
17:04:31 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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17:06:42 <kaz> Chair: Mark
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