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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

16 Dec 2015

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Attendees

Present
janina, Janina, LJWatson, fesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, JF, JaeunJemmaKu
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
fesch

Contents


<janina> genda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes

APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html

<scribe> scribe: fesch

js: this is the last meeting of PF! When we come back in January we will be APA.

jn: csun in march, anyone planning on a face-to-face?

rs: it is up in the air whether ARIA will meet at CSUN.

jf: I have heard someone is trying to organize something on the Saturday (hackathon), so any f-f should be before

js: we need 60 days in advance to arrange a face-to-face... unlikely

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html

cs: jn: in process to join

js: still 3 weeks...

mc: will be new mailing lists, at some point pf mailing list will end (posts), tracker is being migrated (new year)
... issues will start with a large number (2000) or something
... go to the new home pages... look for new infrastructure on new home pages

js: will have a CFC for a new decision policy, list policy will mirror for ARIA, unless someone has an problem with that... hearing no problems, we will mirror ARIA policy
... HTML task force will do minimum changes...

mc: HTML a11y task force - confusing now in media WG, was in HTML WG...

lw: HTML WG -> media WG

COGA moved to APA...

js: HTML TK needed to update docs... I thought we would be changing it to APA

lw: will have to find out

mc: in terms of changing work statements and should get formal approval for WG, wonder if we could get a joint template, were under WAI....
... need to do that for all task forces...
... discusses names of task forces (whether to have WAI... in the name)

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

action-1751

<trackbot> action-1751 -- Léonie Watson to Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ -- due 2015-12-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1751

<MichaelC> action-1751 due 13 Jan 2016

<trackbot> Set action-1751 Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ due date to 2016-01-13.

mc: janina, james has actions

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

<MichaelC> CSS Writing Modes Level 3

mc: do we need to review this?
... taking notes in the wiki

js: wonder if we need someone to walk us through each spec... and another to scribe in wiki... plus normal scribe

<MichaelC> Content Security Policy: Embedded Enforcement

jf: seems to be really low level...

<MichaelC> Content Security Policy: Cookie Controls

rs: cookies are a privacy issues wrt accessibility

mc: wonder if we should look at it...

jf: not sure how important cookies are for work Greg is doing...

jn: app would need to support those cookies...

<JF> From the Draft Spec:

<JF> 4. Security Considerations 4.1. Existing Cookies Note that the mechanisms defined here do not protect against cookies that already exist in a user’s cookie store. Those cookies are delivered along with the HTTP request, before Content Security Policy can be delivered and applied. It is possible that future work like [CSP-PINNING] might enable these kinds of a priori restrictions, but, even then, CSP should be seen as a mitigation strategy, layered on top of filter

rs: if they use local data storage may have used a flow manager... may not be using cookies any more

mc: we should review it

jf: may be a question to the spec author

js: may only have potential... I wouldn't ask them if there is an accessibility issue or not
... could ask Katie

mc: lets give Katie an action, just so someone has an action

js: can reassign if need be

<MichaelC> ACTION: Katie to review http://www.w3.org/TR/csp-cookies/ Content Security Policy: Cookie Controls to see if a11y issues or not - due 20 Jan 2016 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1762 - Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not [on Katie Haritos-Shea - due 2016-01-20].

<MichaelC> action-1762?

<trackbot> action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-01-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1762

Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

Tracker Migration

mc: after migration PF tracker will become uneditable, you will have to look in APA tracker, will update IRC associations...
... that should be transparent

js: we kept some items in our tracker - a lot of OLD actions, some we never closed, but at least a couple dozen to return to when we can - wondering whether MC and I should take a first pass or do it as a group?

mc: I was only going to migrate open actions
... would be good to cleanup but by default open actions will migrate

js: I will take a pass....

mc: would have to be cleaned up after migration if not before...

cs: is that for PF and ARIA actions?

mc: yes - some will migrate to APA others to ARIA....

cs: sticking with tracker? not going to github or...?

mc: yes, good integration with IRC, too useful to abandon
... we use github and moved away from bugzilla...

cs: OK just wanted to know where they are going

js: IRC integration is really useful...

Other Business

js: we have an open CFC for MFC extensions, discussed them at TF
... some folks wanted to bring up longdesc again
... please respond either positive or negative

lw: which working group is owned by?

js: media... was traditionally joint with HTML TF
... our comments are not particularly technical, we asked for a longdesc or possibly use accessible SVG... some folks want a more generic statement
... but a11y folks are the folks that give advice how to do that
... first diagram is a png
... we have API's being defined but not much plain text (prose) to introduce the sections...
... issue raised whether this is the place for suggesting alternative media... no not in this spec
... would be useful to have an overview of how W3C spec fit together...

jf: I weighted in on longdesc, has a complex graphic, needs a description how it does it, I don't care how it does it. Needs a description.

js: I don't think using a CFC to complain about longdesc gets in the way, they can ask to have the issues re raised...

jf: what we should have said is the image needs a long description (not longdesc)...

js: we are offering to help solve the compliant

lw: If we described one solution we should have described multiple solutions for achieving the goal
... John's approach probably wouldn't raise a complaint

js: if people feel that we should take that approach that is fine, then a +1 with the change... would be fine... right now I have to rely on the silence

jf: I will take an action to write a long description of the image...

js: do we have a consensus? need more +1s or -1s on record

rrs agent, make minutes

<JF> ACTION: JF to write up the longer text description for the MSE spec Due January 16, 2016 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-pf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1763 - Write up the longer text description for the mse spec due january 16, 2016 [on John Foliot - due 2015-12-23].

next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273

PF is now adjourned!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JF to write up the longer text description for the MSE spec Due January 16, 2016 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-pf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Katie to review http://www.w3.org/TR/csp-cookies/ Content Security Policy: Cookie Controls to see if a11y issues or not - due 20 Jan 2016 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-pf-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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