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16:06:22 <Behnam> Zakim, this is ALReq Weekly, 15 December 2015
16:06:22 <Zakim> got it, Behnam
16:06:43 <Behnam> mostafa: could you help me with the Scribe work?
16:06:47 <Behnam> ScribeNick: Behnam
16:08:24 <Behnam> Regret+ Shervin
16:08:29 <Behnam> Present+
16:08:34 <Behnam> Present+ Mostafa
16:08:39 <Behnam> Zakim, who's here?
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16:09:03 <Behnam> Chair: Behnam
16:09:05 <r12a> present+ Amr
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16:09:52 <Behnam> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:09:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/15-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:10:05 <Behnam> rrsagent, make minutes public
16:10:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Behnam.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:10:49 <Behnam> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:10:54 <Behnam> agenda+ Welcoming new participants
16:10:59 <Behnam> agenda+ Glossary status
16:11:04 <Behnam> agenda+ Review of Github issues
16:11:09 <Behnam> agenda+ Drafting status
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16:11:17 <Behnam> agenda?
16:13:18 <Behnam> Topic: Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:13:22 <najib> present+ najib
16:13:24 <Behnam> ScribeNick: mostafa
16:13:46 <Behnam> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:13:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/15-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:14:24 <Behnam> Meeting: ALReq Weekly, 15 December 2015
16:15:03 <Behnam> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
16:15:40 <mostafa> Behnam: I’m gonna skip the items for people not attending today.
16:15:59 <mostafa> … I’m still working on Action-23. I haven’t subimtted a PR yet.
16:17:05 <mostafa> Mostafa: I made a PR for Action-24. As soon as we merge it, we can assume this section for now.
16:17:21 <mostafa> Richard: I have a question: What is the best way to give feedback?
16:17:28 <mostafa> … On the PR itself?
16:17:31 <mostafa> q+
16:19:38 <mostafa> Behnam: There is an option for leaving comment inline in the commit changes for a PR.
16:19:51 <mostafa> q-
16:23:44 <mostafa> … Najib, would you like to give us some update on your action items?
16:24:14 <najib> http://www.w3c.org.ma/Tests/Alreq/Font-and-Typographical-considerationsPull.html
16:24:39 <mostafa> Najib: Re Action-7, I have text ready; tried to make a PR, but am not familiar with how to do it.
16:26:13 <mostafa> Richard: I think Shervin was to put together a small document telling how to do it.
16:26:58 <mostafa> q+
16:27:24 <mostafa> q-
16:28:00 <mostafa> … You have to download the git repo to your computer and put your HTML code in there.
16:28:38 <mostafa> … There are some style guides to follow too. I see some HTML code in your HTML file that must change before sending for a PR.
16:31:09 <mostafa> … Behnam, if I write that guide, I can use it for other projects too. Do you think it’s better to wait for Shervin or go ahead and do it?
16:31:47 <mostafa> Behnam: I am not aware of Shervin’s progress on this, but there is no reason in you not trying for it.
16:32:19 <mostafa> Richard: I can add some style guides to the same document too, because that makes the whole package.
16:33:04 <Behnam> close 32
16:33:24 <Behnam> close action-39
16:33:24 <trackbot> Closed action-39.
16:33:24 <mostafa> Najib: We can close Action-32, because we have Action-39, and I’m still working on it.
16:34:17 <mostafa> … Richard, did you create the transliterations by hand or using your tool?
16:34:21 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:34:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/15-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:34:36 <Behnam> Regrests+ Shervin
16:34:38 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:34:46 <mostafa> Richard: I’ve used my tool. I can continue to do that, if you keep correcting the mistakes in the output like you’ve already done.
16:34:47 <r12a> regrets+ Shervin
16:36:29 <r12a> سطر الأساس
16:36:30 <mostafa> Najib: There are some grammar questions regarding transliteration of Arabic terms. There are two ways of spelling some words.
16:36:50 <mostafa> s/spelling/pronounciation/
16:38:15 <mostafa> … In conversation, the last letter is not vowelled, but there is also a version of pronounciation of these words with last letter voweled.
16:39:16 <mostafa> Richard: I see a lot of your corrections are about dropping this last vowel. Maybe we should hold those changes until we have made a decision about it?
16:39:50 <Behnam> Here's the Glossary document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit#gid=0
16:39:53 <mostafa> Najib: I have to consult with Khald and Waseem to reach a decision about what to do for the purpose of this glossary.
16:40:07 <mostafa> Richard: Amr is on the call. Amr, do you have an opinion about this?
16:42:01 <mostafa> … (reiterating the question), for the Arabic word for “baseline” (سطر الأساس), we should transliterate it to “satru al-’asās” or “satru al-’asāsun”?
16:43:02 <najib> It is "ṣafḥah fārighah" or , ṣafḥahtun fārighatun"
16:43:38 <Amr> Amr has joined #alreq
16:43:44 <Amr> I am in
16:43:44 <Behnam> hi Amr
16:43:47 <Amr> hello
16:43:48 <r12a> hi Amr
16:43:51 <Behnam> Here's the Glossary document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit#gid=0
16:43:55 <najib> It is "ṣafḥah fārighah" or , ṣafḥahtun fārighatun"
16:44:47 <najib> s/,/"
16:45:55 <mostafa> Amr: “ṣafḥah fārighah” is correct, because “ṣafḥahtun fārighatun” is based on grammar role of the words. “ṣafḥah fārighah” is the more generic version and we’d better use that version.
16:46:40 <mostafa> Najib: I agree. “ṣafḥah fārighah” is a better option in my opinion too.
16:47:33 <Amr> ṣafḥahtun fārighatun  is OK knowing that it is begin of sentence
16:47:36 <mostafa> Behnam: Richard, can you share with us the preferred transliteration method for Persian too?
16:48:06 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/16
16:48:47 <mostafa> Richard: I was suggesting ALA, because that’s what we use for Arabic too, but Mostafa didn’t think that’s very good, and suggested another one.
16:49:06 <mostafa> Mostafa: Yes, I suggested UN 2012, and I put links to documents describing it there.
16:49:41 <najib> Is ALA-LC the same as LOC ?
16:49:53 <mostafa> … And Shervin is supposed to look into this too, and we are waiting for his opinoin too.
16:50:28 <Behnam> agenda?
16:50:53 <Behnam> Topic: Welcoming new participants
16:51:16 <mostafa> Amr: I am Amr Darwish, memeber of globalization center in IBM, in Cairo, Egypt.
16:52:11 <mostafa> … My mission, in addition to IBM’s globalization strategies, is to expand support for Arabic and bi-di in all IBM softwares.
16:52:49 <Behnam> agenda?
16:53:25 <Behnam> Topic: Glossary status
16:53:42 <najib> q+
16:53:59 <mostafa> Behnam: I guess Shervin had a task for converting the glossary table into HTML format. Anybody has any update on that?
16:54:06 <najib> q-
16:54:41 <Behnam> Topic: Review of Github issues
16:54:44 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
16:54:49 <Behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
17:00:16 <najib> q+
17:01:41 <Behnam> present?
17:01:55 <Behnam> Zakim, who's here?
17:01:55 <Zakim> Present: Behnam, Mostafa, r12a, Amr, najib
17:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Amr, najib, mostafa, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, Behnam, trackbot
17:02:22 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/15-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:02:57 <mostafa> Mostafa: For issue #14, I sent a PR. I suggest closing the issue once the PR is merged, and we can use new issues for talking about changes for the merged drafts.
17:03:20 <mostafa> Behnam: Makes sense to me.
17:03:27 <mostafa> Richard: I agree with it.
17:03:35 <Behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/16 and https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/23
17:03:51 <mostafa> Mostafa: Issue #13 is an ongoing discussion about style.
17:04:23 <mostafa> … Issue #8 is about drafting the character section. As soon as we have tables of characters, I’ll send a PR for it too.
17:05:11 <mostafa> … The last three issues for me, #5, #4, and #3 are there until we get to the sections related to them.
17:05:47 <mostafa> Richard: Najib, what’s the relateion between issues #23 and #16?
17:06:44 <mostafa> Najib: We can close one of them and continue the work under one issue.
17:07:04 <mostafa> Richard: Actually, #23 is related to #21, not #16.
17:07:09 <r12a> i propose close #23 - it's part of #21
17:07:22 <mostafa> Najib: Yes, we can still close #23 and use #21.
17:08:11 <r12a> q+
17:08:22 <najib> q-
17:09:27 <mostafa> Richard: #21 is different from #16. #16 talks about choosing a transliteration method, while #21 talks about the way to use these transliterations in our tables, such as adding a new column for it.
17:11:31 <mostafa> Behnam: So, we are now good with #21 and #16 and closed #23.
17:13:20 <Behnam> agenda?
17:13:36 <Behnam> q?
17:13:44 <Behnam> q- r12a
17:13:44 <r12a> q-
17:13:47 <Behnam> Topic: Drafting status
17:14:07 <mostafa> q+
17:14:37 <r12a> q+
17:14:46 <Behnam> Draft: https://w3c.github.io/alreq/
17:14:50 <mostafa> Mostafa: Since I’m mostly done with the sections in my hand, I’m open to picking up another section.
17:14:51 <Behnam> ack mostafa
17:16:20 <Behnam> ack r12a
17:16:24 <mostafa> Richard: I like to put more work into the document, but I’m restraining myself from actually drafting. Instead, I can put some questions that we have to answer.
17:16:26 <mostafa> q+
17:17:32 <mostafa> … Like how to extend the text for justification. That level of questions. Do you think that is a good idea?
17:18:02 <mostafa> Behnam: Yes, adding those questions is good. They don’t even have to be related to a particular section.
17:18:04 <mostafa> Mostafa: +1
17:18:25 <mostafa> Behnam: How do you like to put the questions then?
17:18:43 <mostafa> q+
17:19:17 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/klreq/
17:19:20 <mostafa> Richard: One way to do that is put the questions in the document itself, and mark them separately. That way we expand the text around them.
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17:25:03 <mostafa_> Behnam: We can put the questions in the HTML docuemnt, but keep the discussion in the issues.
17:25:12 <Behnam> action Richard to add ISSUE boxes to Draft sections
17:25:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Add issue boxes to draft sections [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-12-22].
17:26:40 <mostafa> Behnam: We can put the questions in the HTML docuemnt, but keep the discussion in the issues.
17:26:41 <Behnam> ScribeNick: mostafa
17:27:33 <mostafa> q+
17:29:06 <mostafa> Mostafa: I looked the list of topics and it seems like the section “Direction” hasn’t been started yet. I can start working on that.
17:29:13 <mostafa> Behnam: +1
17:29:26 <Behnam> action Mostafa work on a draft for 2.2. Direction
17:29:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Work on a draft for 2.2. direction [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-22].
17:29:40 <Behnam> ack mostafa
17:30:03 <Behnam> agenda?
17:30:32 <mostafa> Behnam: Anything else on the drafting status?
17:30:40 <najib> q+
17:32:03 <najib> Directionality and bidi section 4) vs. Direction (section 2)
17:32:38 <mostafa> Najib: We have to subscetions which similar names: “direction” and “Directionality and bidi”.
17:33:03 <najib> q-
17:33:35 <mostafa> Behnam: The first one talks about the basics of bidi, the second one elaborates on the issues of forming lines and paragraphs with bidi in mind.
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17:43:19 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:56:54 <Behnam> bye
17:56:59 <Behnam> Zakim, bye
17:56:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Behnam, Mostafa, r12a, Amr, najib
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17:57:06 <Behnam> RRSAgent, bye
17:57:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items