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18:13:33 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 1
18:13:33 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review example of radio group pattern https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/radio/radio.html" taken up [from jamesn]
18:13:45 <annabbott> present+ MichielBijl
18:14:17 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
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18:16:06 <jemma> https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/radio/radio.html
18:16:17 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:16:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/14-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
18:16:45 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
18:16:55 <jamesn> present- Bryan
18:17:03 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
18:17:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/14-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
18:17:57 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
18:19:56 <MichielBijl> JK: Remove note about generated content?
18:20:08 <MichielBijl> MK: No, just the generated content part is wrong.
18:20:19 <MichielBijl> JN: Just remove “or generated content”
18:20:42 <MichielBijl> MK: this one is using up and down arrow
18:20:46 <MichielBijl> MK: What did we spec?
18:20:52 <MichielBijl> JN: left and right work as well.
18:21:12 <MichielBijl> MK: it's the note that says only up/down work.
18:21:16 <MichielBijl> JK: I'll add that.
18:22:15 <MichielBijl> AA: shouldn't up and down move between radio buttons and selects?
18:22:58 <MichielBijl> BG: Avoid using “select” because people confuse it with aria-selected.
18:23:59 <MichielBijl> MK: Should we clarify that one particular note?
18:24:14 <MichielBijl> MK: The second one.
18:25:07 <MichielBijl> MK: Clarify: all have tabindex=-1 except for first one.
18:27:42 <MichielBijl> MK: Clarify where links after heading goes
18:29:20 <MichielBijl> MB: Should it say “div element with role”?
18:30:00 <MichielBijl> MK: In the guide we would write it more general. In this case you're describing the code; so doesn't really matter.
18:30:58 <MichielBijl> MK: Leaning toward being more specific.
18:31:02 <MichielBijl> MB: Agree.
18:32:04 <MichielBijl> MK: We have this high contrast discussion where we talked about examples with generated content. And some with inline content.
18:32:15 <MichielBijl> s/have/had
18:35:33 <MichielBijl> MK: Should we say something about generated content/background images with High Contrast?
18:36:00 <MichielBijl> MK: Generated content is often used for radio buttons and checkboxes.
18:36:20 <MichielBijl> Zakim, agenda
18:36:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', MichielBijl
18:38:36 <jamesn> agenda?
18:40:03 <MichielBijl> * long discussion about whether we should address generated content usage in the guide *
18:40:54 <MichielBijl> MB: I'll add generated content flavoured radio buttons to this example after Jemma is done with it.
18:41:06 <MichielBijl> MK: OK, I'll create a bug now.
18:41:52 <mck> 29336 – Determine how to address high contrast mode compatibility of images in custom widget development
18:44:53 <mck> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29336
18:45:59 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
18:45:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue review of sections 2.12 Dialog (Tooltip) and 2.22 Popup Help (aka Bubble Help)" taken up [from jamesn]
18:46:42 <MichielBijl> MK: Last week we were on the verge of eliminating the tooltip.
18:48:14 <mck> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#popuphelp
18:53:47 <MichielBijl> MK: Is there anything in 2.22 we want to save?
18:53:54 <MichielBijl> MB: I don't see anything.
18:54:01 <MichielBijl> JN: I see nothing of value in this.
18:57:47 <MichielBijl> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29327
18:59:04 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
18:59:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update pattern work assignments and status https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
18:59:50 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125/commits
19:00:03 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125
19:04:54 <jemma> this is last commit I made today. https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/e768891ef7447d3ca9464eedbf9194541b2b2020
19:06:48 <MichielBijl> JN: looks good to me.
19:06:50 <MichielBijl> MB: +1
19:06:54 <MichielBijl> MB: Merged.
19:11:27 <MichielBijl> zakim, close item
19:11:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', MichielBijl
19:12:05 <MichielBijl> zakim, next item
19:12:05 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, MichielBijl
19:14:17 <jemma> :-)
19:18:19 <jemma> mk: ie. div of combo box, have editable content, with aria own control- you can not use the combo box as list(combo box value) and input value at the same time.
19:19:00 <MichielBijl> MK: You can have another div containing the combobox element that you can style
19:19:15 <MichielBijl> MK: I'm saying there should be an element with role=combobox
19:19:23 <MichielBijl> BG: I'm saying it shouldn't have to
19:19:33 <jemma> me/ I am not sure whether I understand the combo box issue.
19:19:46 <MichielBijl> MK: It doesn't say how you should specify the value of a combobox
19:20:06 <MichielBijl> MK: I'm trying to clear up the meaning of the autocomplete part.
19:20:29 <jemma> it seems combo box is complex issue
19:21:04 <MichielBijl> MK: complexity might be caused by spec.
19:21:39 <MichielBijl> MK: This discussion might be out of scope for this meeting.
19:22:06 <jemma> s me/ /msg
19:22:12 <MichielBijl> MK: Hope you'll participate in discussion when it comes up.
19:22:25 <MichielBijl> BG: Yes I will.
19:25:15 <MichielBijl> Zakim, make minutes
19:25:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', MichielBijl
19:25:19 <MichielBijl> Zakim make minutes
19:25:25 <MichielBijl> Zakim, makeminutes
19:25:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'makeminutes', MichielBijl
19:25:47 <MichielBijl> s/replace/with this
19:25:51 <jemma> s/ me/ /msg
19:26:08 <jemma> s/me//msg
19:26:14 <MichielBijl> s/me///me
19:26:28 <MichielBijl> RSSAgent, make minutes
19:27:18 <MichielBijl> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:28:31 <MichielBijl> chair: Matt_King
19:28:33 <MichielBijl> rrsagent, make minutes
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19:30:33 <MichielBijl> @mck: should I also post to the ARIA list?
19:30:42 <MichielBijl> I believe I should.
19:31:04 <mck> yes please
19:31:09 <MichielBijl> I will, thank you.
19:31:20 <mck> thank you!!