13:53:33 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 13:53:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/12/11-dwbp-irc 13:53:35 RRSAgent, make logs 351 13:53:35 Zakim has joined #dwbp 13:53:37 Zakim, this will be DWBP 13:53:37 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:53:38 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 13:53:38 Date: 11 December 2015 13:53:47 chair: Yaso 13:53:52 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151211 13:54:15 zakim, code? 13:54:15 I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989 13:58:00 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 13:59:26 Eric_Kauz has joined #dwbp 13:59:28 PWinstanley has joined #dwbp 13:59:35 present+ PWinstanley 13:59:45 present+ yaso 13:59:49 newtoncalegari has joined #dwbp 14:01:22 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 14:01:30 present+ phila 14:01:33 scribe: phila 14:01:37 scribeNick: phila 14:01:58 present+ newtoncalegari 14:02:33 \me could you anyone remind me the webex URL please ? 14:02:50 I think is this one, riccardoAlbertoni https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae 14:03:15 \me thanks .. 14:03:16 oh I missed an 6 at the end of url. Sorry, https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 14:03:29 \me :-) 14:03:49 zakim, code? 14:03:49 I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989 14:04:08 great. tks phila 14:04:12 riccardoAlbertoni, you can always type that command (zakim, code?) and get the info 14:05:12 \me Thanks phil, 14:05:17 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151211 14:05:26 laufer has joined #dwbp 14:05:46 present+ riccardoAlbertoni 14:05:51 yaso: Lots of stuff to get through today 14:05:53 PROPOSAL: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes 14:05:58 +1 14:06:01 +1 14:06:02 +1 14:06:06 +1 14:06:09 present+ laufer 14:06:10 +1 14:06:19 RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes 14:06:26 +1 14:06:34 Topic: BP Document 14:06:53 -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc Editors' Draft 14:07:01 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 14:07:37 newtoncalegari: I can start to explain... 14:08:17 newtoncalegari: We have made a lot of changes in the doc but I'll talk about some specifics. One on APIs and Conneg 14:08:25 ... Those BPs are not 100% completed yet 14:08:40 ... We put some notes and issues in the doc to let readers know that we are still improving those BPs 14:09:00 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 14:09:07 Present+ Caroline_ 14:09:08 present+ BernadetteLoscio 14:09:13 :) 14:09:29 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg 14:09:44 phila: Start here? http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#bp-summary 14:09:47 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#useanAPI 14:10:15 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#versionsForAPI 14:10:32 present+ Eric_Kauz 14:10:58 newtoncalegari: I think we need to change the text a little 14:11:00 q? 14:11:07 ... keep the smae meaning but change the structure ofhte text 14:11:16 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 14:11:26 yaso: So the necessary reqs to complete this BP is to provide examples and the structure of the text 14:11:43 newtoncalegari: Yes, that's why I put those notes in the text. I don't think it's a barrier to publication 14:11:48 yaso: I agree it's not a barrier 14:11:55 yaso: Anything else to say? 14:12:04 newtoncalegari: No, but BernadetteLoscio might have 14:12:50 BernadetteLoscio: We added a lot to the doc. See the change history sedction 14:13:16 ... We have 2 new sections. We also have a glossary with the main sections of the doc and we have the benefits associated with each BP 14:13:17 present + ericstephan 14:13:28 ... Thanks to Phil for scripting 14:13:33 phila: NP 14:13:47 BernadetteLoscio: We also have many more examples. They still need to be completed and I think we made a lot of progress 14:14:16 ... I think the doc is more mature. It has more content and we have discussed a lot about this period about identifiers. 14:14:31 ... We had a lot of discussion about the data vocab section and we made some progress and some agreement 14:14:43 ... We still have things to do concerning the data access section 14:14:54 ... We need more examples and need some more discussion about the new BPs 14:15:03 ... But now we have a more concrete stuff to discuss 14:15:22 ... During the F2F we had a lot of important discussions and we tried to reflect these doscussions in the new version 14:15:40 yaso: Anything to add Caroline_ 14:15:49 Caroline_: No, that's it... Bernadette has explained 14:15:50 q? 14:16:04 q+ 14:16:08 ack l 14:16:12 ack laufer 14:16:45 laufer: I missed a summary of each section of the doc 14:17:01 ... Something after the Intro but before the main content. I miss that. 14:17:14 laufer: I think the structure of the sections is inconsistent 14:17:29 ... Sections 9, 10 and 11 seem inconsistent in style 14:17:33 +q 14:17:52 ... Section 11.4 is a conclusion, that's not in the otehr sections 14:18:06 BernadetteLoscio: There is a mistake in the table of contents - it's not correct 14:18:16 laufer: No, not in the ToC 14:18:24 BernadetteLoscio: 11.4 is not inside 11 14:18:36 BernadetteLoscio: There's a mistake in the HTML, that's all 14:18:44 ... That newton is going to correct. 14:19:01 laufer: I don't think we have section 9 BP and then section 10 for Sensitive data 14:19:08 newtoncalegari: I'm going to check the open elements 14:19:10 ack BernadetteLoscio 14:19:25 laufer: I think the glossary, benefits, UCR etc can be appendices, not sections 14:20:01 laufer: And we have 3 indexes - section 5,6 and 8 14:20:05 q? 14:20:07 ... I think that needs explaining 14:20:28 ... And the separate section about the template can be in the BPs. It's just a matter of rearanging things 14:20:40 laufer: And I thought we decided on reuse, not re-use 14:21:06 yaso: So what do you suggest? 14:21:31 laufer: I think we need just one section called Best practice and then all the BPs are in that section (as sub sections) 14:21:47 ... The other solution is not to have a section called Best Practices 14:21:55 yaso: So are you against publishing? 14:22:05 q+ 14:22:18 ack phila 14:24:10 I'm already checking and fixing the HTML 14:24:17 phila: Talks about publication steps, validation etc. 14:24:29 q+ 14:24:35 ack BernadetteLoscio 14:24:47 q+ 14:24:47 q? 14:24:52 BernadetteLoscio: There is an issue about the three indexes, I raised that 14:25:16 laufer: I see no problem with the three indexes, I just think we need to explain them and say that the user can access them in 3 differnet ways 14:25:24 please phil send the same check list l to me and Antoine as well 14:25:25 yaso: So if there are no other questions? 14:25:31 q? 14:25:33 q+ 14:25:41 ack laufer 14:25:41 ack l 14:25:41 q- 14:25:44 acl c 14:25:46 ack c 14:25:56 ack Caroline_ 14:26:27 hahahah, sorry. It's my keyboard crazy sound for "repeated letter" 14:26:29 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/227 14:26:29 Caroline_: Thanks laufer, Newton is fixing that now, and I think we could add a new issue about the indexes 14:26:36 phila: That's been raised already 14:26:42 Thanks BernadetteLoscio 14:27:02 q+ 14:27:20 ack laufer 14:27:48 That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) 14:27:53 I tend to agree with laufer :( 14:28:25 phila: next pub date: january 14:28:35 ... if we decide to not vote today 14:29:13 we have to vote to not vote? we will have the same problem 14:29:32 PROPOSED: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication 14:29:39 +1 14:29:44 +1 14:29:55 +1 14:29:58 +1 14:30:01 q+ 14:30:01 +1 14:30:07 I vote... What I want to know is if there is a minimum quorum for that... 14:30:10 ack ericstephan 14:31:06 ericstephan: If we wait until 6 Jan, will we have more or fewer people? 14:31:20 yaso: I'm afarid that people will be on holidayt in January 14:31:28 ... Newton and I won't be here 6 Jan 14:31:31 we have the call saying that there will be a voting... 14:31:40 I will be in January until the 19th 14:31:41 yaso: I thinkw e should vote now 14:31:47 ops! on Holliday! 14:31:49 +1 14:31:58 yaso: I think you're right... 14:32:20 ericstephan: I'll vote +1 just becausze I don't think the numebrs will be great this time of year and it seems that things won't be any better in early January 14:32:26 I think we have a chance to send emails before January and try to get some external feedback 14:32:32 if we vote today! :) 14:32:34 phila: gets his head around January being summer holiday/carnival time 14:32:42 I think today is the last reasonable date to vote. 14:32:49 yaso: It's external feedback we want 14:33:05 ... And Caroline_ is right, we should publish now and get the feedback 14:33:15 q= 14:33:23 q? 14:33:27 q? 14:33:36 yaso you also gave sufficient notice about this 14:33:36 RESOLUTION: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication 14:33:39 let´s vote 14:34:03 What is summer? 14:34:24 is the guy that sums... 14:34:44 laufer :-) 14:34:58 q+ 14:35:08 ack ericstephan 14:35:08 come to Brazil, ericstephan to understand what is summer! :) 14:35:14 phila: Goes on about summer holidays etc 14:35:47 ericstephan: I just want to say that I've not had a chance to look at the BP doc as much as I'd like, but through all the dicsussion that we've had, this is one of the most mature docs we have 14:36:01 I agree with ericstephan .. 14:36:03 ... So unless there's somethign really horribly wrong, I'd advocate a vote to have it reviewed externally 14:36:25 That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) 14:36:49 That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram 14:37:08 PROPOSED: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram 14:37:11 +1 14:37:14 +1 14:37:16 +1 14:37:22 +1 14:37:22 +1 14:37:29 +1 14:37:33 +1 14:37:44 +1 14:38:01 RESOLUTION: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram 14:38:08 :) 14:38:12 congrats! 14:38:15 congrats BP team 14:38:22 Data Quality Vocabulary 14:38:25 Topic: Data Quality Vocabulary 14:38:26 congrats everyone! 14:38:27 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html 14:38:36 congrats everyone! Specially Berna! :) 14:38:50 riccardoAlbertoni: If you click on the link... you can see the latest version of our DQV 14:39:03 ... I'll go through the doc and highlight the main changes since the last publication 14:39:26 ... First 3 sections haven't changed much. Thanks Phil for producing the Turtle 14:39:40 riccardoAlbertoni: In the vocab overview, you can see the classes in the diagram 14:39:43 ... There are 3 sections 14:39:57 ... bascially the part of the vocab that allow us to state the quality assessment 14:40:15 ... Upper Right is on dataset is compliant to a standard or policy 14:40:23 ... Bottom Right to express quality annotation 14:40:33 q? 14:40:34 ... has a quality certificiate 14:41:10 riccardoAlbertoni: There are some new constraints, dimensions, quality feedback... 14:41:18 ... During this period there has been plenty of discussion 14:41:50 ... We have kept the discussion up to date. 14:42:02 riccardoAlbertoni: In section http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#examples we have included some earlier examples and added 4 new examples 14:42:12 ... in particular an example that received an ODI certificate 14:42:15 q? 14:42:16 ... setion 6.5 14:42:41 ... And there's another example of expressing the quality of a Skos scheme and of a linkset 14:42:58 ... And there's stuff on expressing conformance of a dataset to a standard 14:43:05 ... That came from a discussion with Phil 14:43:10 ... and Andrea perego 14:43:44 riccardoAlbertoni: Only the dimension and metric section hasn't changed bevcause we already decided that we want to align with ISO 200512 14:44:00 ... blocked a little by the discussion that we're having on issue 204 and 205 14:44:08 ... So we have explained this in the doc. 14:44:25 q? 14:44:31 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 14:44:35 riccardoAlbertoni: And we added a change history section 14:44:52 ... I think we made a lot of progress. More to do of course but the doc shows the direction that we're following 14:45:02 ... SO I think it's the right time to make a snapshot 14:45:11 q? 14:45:13 q+ 14:45:15 riccardoAlbertoni: Any questions? 14:45:20 yaso: Thank you Riccardo 14:45:22 ack laufer 14:45:23 ack l 14:46:07 laufer: Thank you for excellent work. I've comment on how you've enhanced the comprehension. Antoine desceribed the diagram very well,. What I miss is the serialisation of the diagram 14:46:19 ... I think some sentences to help understand the diagram 14:46:28 ... Easier with text to explain the image 14:46:56 riccardoAlbertoni: You may have noticed that at the beginning of the vocab overview there is a short summary. but there are still a lot of technical issues pending 14:47:27 ... The parts I have described are more or less stable, but soem parts are not. If you have some specific suggestions, they'd be welcome 14:47:49 laufer: I saw the intro. But I think we can have a more informal description of what the idea of quality is 14:48:14 q? 14:48:19 Laufer and Riccardo discuss the issue further 14:48:25 ok 14:48:46 riccardoAlbertoni: So we could put an intro about the diagram, rephrasing things in more general terms 14:48:51 laufer: That would work... 14:49:04 yaso: Can you discuss this later by mail? 14:49:15 laufer: It's not an issue, I;m OK with this 14:49:16 q? 14:49:35 ok 14:49:45 fine 14:50:04 ok 14:50:30 PROPOSED: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added. 14:50:40 its ok! 14:50:52 +1 14:50:56 +1 14:50:59 +1 14:50:59 +1 14:51:01 +1 14:51:03 +1 14:51:04 +1 14:51:05 +1 14:51:10 +1 14:51:13 +1 14:51:21 RESOLUTION: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added. 14:51:34 Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary 14:51:44 yaso: Do we have time to go through the DUV? 14:52:00 q+ 14:52:04 ericstephan: Let me explain where we are 14:52:08 q+ 14:52:24 ericstephan: I can go over really quickly. Thanks to Bernadette for the much cleaner model 14:52:31 ;) 14:52:32 ... The issues 214-218 have been resolved 14:52:48 ericstephan: Thanks to Phil for improvementes to get ready for publication and the TTL file 14:52:52 phila: NP 14:53:13 ericstephan: Sumit went back in and improved the turtle file with major improvements made in the last 24 hours 14:53:20 ... and we've had comments from Phil 14:53:33 q? 14:53:40 ... What's missing are some properties that need to be added, and there are some changes Phil has suggested that I agree with 14:54:03 ... We need stronger refs to external vocabs and there are issues that need to be added before it's published 14:54:09 ericstephan: Is that it Berna? 14:54:27 BernadetteLoscio: Yes, I agree. We needed to make changes to the model. We had a lot of discussions about the citations 14:54:32 q? 14:54:40 ack PWinstanley 14:55:05 PWinstanley: The image in section 7 (vocab overview) works very micely in my Firefox but in my coroprate IE11 it's not supported 14:55:20 ... It's an embedded SVG that causes me a problem on my corporate desktop 14:55:23 q 14:55:26 q? 14:55:27 q+ 14:55:52 ack laufer 14:55:52 thank you for bringing that to our attention! 14:56:03 yaso: I think we can add an issue about that, thanks PWinstanley 14:56:28 +1 laufer I agree 14:56:31 laufer: I have the same comment as for DQV - we could do with a textual decription of the diagram 14:56:44 ... and the order of sections might be improved 14:57:05 ... And we have a ref to a class of duvFeedback that was changed to duv:userfeedback 14:57:21 ... And we have several terms i the diagram that aren't in the spec and vice versa 14:57:47 yaso: I don't think it's an issue about the diagram/list issue 14:57:49 q? 14:57:51 q+ 14:57:56 ack phila 14:58:03 -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges 14:59:24 q- 14:59:31 q+ 14:59:39 q- 14:59:51 phila: Checked with PWinstanley that the SVG at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges is visible to him (it is) 14:59:52 q? 15:00:04 q+ 15:00:10 ack n 15:00:13 ack newtoncalegari 15:00:24 q+ 15:00:25 newtoncalegari: I have updated the doc and ToC, i think it's right now 15:00:29 ack l 15:00:36 ack laufer 15:00:53 q+ 15:00:55 laufer: Agaiun, we have around 10 terms in the vocab overview andnot in the spec - I think the spec is the main thing of the doc 15:01:06 ... I think we need all the terms decsribed 15:01:12 q? 15:01:34 ack b 15:01:48 q? 15:01:52 BernadetteLoscio: There more that needs to be included, Laufer is right, and we need to address Phil's last comment 15:02:06 yaso: So maybe the DUV shouldn't be published yet 15:02:10 ericstephan: I tend to agree 15:02:38 q+ 15:02:42 ... I am usually very proactive about getting things out and there are some editorial things that we need to work through. I'm disappointed but that's where we are I think 15:02:50 q- 15:02:53 laufer: I can send some text to help the editors 15:03:15 q? 15:03:20 action: laufer to send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the DUV document 15:03:20 Created ACTION-224 - Send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the duv document [on Carlos Laufer - due 2015-12-18]. 15:03:33 BernadetteLoscio: And about the4 Bp doc please laufer 15:03:48 yaso: Although we doidn't vote on the DUV, I think we had a successful meeting 15:03:52 thanks all 15:03:58 thanks all! 15:04:05 ... Congratulations to the editors of the docs that wuill be published. I suggest next week we talk about DUV 15:04:19 congrats to the editors of the three docs... 15:04:22 ericstephan: I would ecnourage everyone to read through, comment etc. so that we can get it ready 15:04:23 q+ 15:04:46 wow 15:04:53 wow wow 15:05:09 Thanks phil .. 15:05:13 ack p 15:05:13 bye all... nice weekend... 15:05:17 yes Phil! Thanks a lot! 15:05:19 bye 15:05:22 phila: Goes on about PubRules 15:05:23 bye 15:05:24 thank you!! Bye! 15:05:34 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:05:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/11-dwbp-minutes.html phila 15:05:37 rssagent, draft minutes 15:05:41 ops 15:05:44 tks phil 15:09:12 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:09:15 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:09:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/11-dwbp-minutes.html phila 15:09:28 newtoncalegari has left #dwbp 16:54:57 yaso has joined #dwbp 18:01:55 Zakim has left #dwbp 18:06:45 yaso has joined #dwbp