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15:50:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:50:26 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:50:27 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:50:27 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2015
15:52:02 <janina> agenda?
15:52:09 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:52:09 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:52:12 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:52:15 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
15:52:18 <janina> agenda+ The MSE CR http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-media-source-20151112/
15:52:20 <janina> agenda+ Housekeeping Updates -- Work Statement, Decision Policy, Etc.
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Janina
15:52:25 <janina> Agenda+ Footnotes Update -- Shane
15:52:28 <janina> agenda+ Accessibility API Update -- Cynthia
15:52:30 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
15:52:33 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:52:35 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:53:12 <janina>  present+ janina
15:53:17 <janina> chair: janina
15:53:21 <janina> zakim, next item
15:53:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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16:02:16 <Tink> present+ LJWatson
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16:04:11 <JF> present+ JF
16:05:15 <chaals> Present+ chaals
16:05:38 <chaals> Present+ shanem, Liam, Steve
16:06:04 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
16:06:15 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:06:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Agenda Edits & Additions" taken up [from janina]
16:06:58 <ShaneM> No changes - Liam has items for AOB
16:07:03 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, ShaneM
16:07:07 <ShaneM> zakim close item 2
16:07:10 <ShaneM> zakim, close item 2
16:07:10 <Zakim> agendum 2, Agenda Edits & Additions, closed
16:07:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:07:11 <Zakim> 3. The MSE CR http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-media-source-20151112/ [from janina]
16:07:17 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 3
16:07:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "The MSE CR http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-media-source-20151112/" taken up [from janina]
16:07:45 <ShaneM> janina: MSE is in CR.  We have discussed on this call and APA/PF has taken a good look at it.
16:07:49 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Nov/0281.html
16:07:53 <ShaneM> ... Shane did a review
16:08:19 <ShaneM> ... Was discussed on the APA call yesterday.  Some other questions.
16:08:46 <ShaneM> 1) Does the spec need to do something more by way of supporting the various alternative media representations that MAUR supports (e.g., captions, sign language translation)
16:09:19 <ShaneM> ... Shane's opinion is that happens in a different part of the hierarchy.  Janina is reasonably okay with the answer.  What happens when the resources are coming from multiple servers?
16:09:34 <JF> Q+ to also ask about non-media content, like WebVTT files
16:09:37 <ShaneM> ... in such a case there could be an issue with synchronization.
16:09:56 <ShaneM> ... we would like to see examples that would show the use of alternative media to help show that this is expected support.
16:10:36 <ShaneM> 2) Is the API that is defined in the spec well described in prose such that users can understand what the API is achieving?
16:11:04 <ShaneM> ... this has been an issue for a while in lots of specs.  It is important to describe in words so that you can assess if the API is up to the task.
16:11:43 <ShaneM> 3) There is a chart that has alt text, but would benefit from longdesc or possibly even accessible SVG.
16:11:46 <chaals> q+
16:12:39 <ShaneM> janina: proposes doing a CFC about comments from PF and this call.  Send preview to the authoring group
16:12:39 <janina> q?
16:12:43 <ShaneM> ack JF
16:12:43 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to also ask about non-media content, like WebVTT files
16:12:43 <janina> ack jf
16:13:07 <ShaneM> JF: Some of the support stuff is not media content.  It is WebVTT content or whatever.  Not clear if those pieces are being pulled through.
16:13:25 <ShaneM> ... at some point there is a call to a piece of media content.
16:13:56 <janina> ack ch
16:14:02 <ShaneM> janina: it would be helpful understanding what piece puts the total user experience together.
16:14:56 <ShaneM> chaals: roughly shane is on the money.  synchronization layering happens above MSE.
16:15:06 <ShaneM> ... MediaController is likely to disappear from HTML.
16:15:26 <ShaneM> ... a diagram of how the layers fit together would be helpful - okay to ask MSE group to help with that.
16:15:41 <janina> q?
16:15:42 <ShaneM> ... it would be reasonable to ask for accessible SVG but also ask for a description.
16:16:56 <janina> q?
16:17:08 <ShaneM> ShaneM: I think things like WebVTT are at a  higher level and should just work - if any of this works at all.
16:17:15 <ShaneM> janina: Does the procedure outlined make sense?
16:18:07 <chaals> [Yes, ask for a week of extension on comments, with explanation, and run the CfC…]
16:18:16 <ShaneM> +1
16:18:19 <liam> +1
16:18:25 <JF> +1
16:18:32 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:18:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Housekeeping Updates -- Work Statement, Decision Policy, Etc." taken up [from janina]
16:19:22 <chaals> q+
16:19:36 <ShaneM> janina: migration from old groups to new groups.  new lists, archives, etc.
16:19:58 <ShaneM> ... things will change.  Webex etc.
16:20:08 <chaals> q- later
16:20:31 <ShaneM> Check in early in the year - maybe on the 7th?  No more meetings thisyear
16:20:39 <ShaneM> s/thisyear/this year/
16:21:10 <ShaneM> Next meeting will be 7 January 2016.  new infrastructure then.
16:21:39 <ShaneM> Last item is that we need to update the work statement and decision policy.  Will be web platforms and APA instead of HTML and PFWG.
16:21:55 <ShaneM> ... if there are other tweaks to the decision policy etc please inform the group before the 7th.
16:22:11 <ShaneM> ack liam
16:22:11 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to note we don't actually need to move wiki pages
16:22:13 <janina> ack l
16:22:44 <ShaneM> liam: we can choose whether to move wikis.  The fact that letters PF appear in the URI is orthogonal to the administrative structure.  Its up to us.
16:22:52 <ShaneM> ... the webex call will change
16:23:06 <ShaneM> janina: what about email lists?
16:23:14 <janina> ack ch
16:23:18 <ShaneM> liam: no need unless the names cause confusion
16:23:31 <ShaneM> chaals: I would suggest that we do not change the wiki and the email lists.
16:23:42 <ShaneM> .. .the existing name is reasonable
16:23:54 <ShaneM> ... web platform did not change its mailing list name
16:24:03 <ShaneM> ... did move wiki to github.  not entirely a win.
16:24:07 <ShaneM> janina: I'm happy with that.
16:24:25 <ShaneM> janina: No additional comments.  I will let Michael know and copy Liam.
16:24:38 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:24:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Alt Doc Update -- Janina" taken up [from janina]
16:25:32 <ShaneM> janina: this is on hold because we expect we will adopt some new requirements and use cases
16:26:04 <ShaneM> ... seems to be consensus to move in the direction of detail / summary.  Some things to be worked out.  Disambiguation via @role, for example.
16:27:07 <ShaneM> ... if you want to participate in the next ARIA conversation about this, it will be discussed next week on ARIA.
16:27:26 <ShaneM> If there is consensus at that call, there will be a CFC and then get the alt document updated accordingly.
16:27:33 <janina> q?
16:27:36 <ShaneM> s/at that call/on that call/
16:27:56 <ShaneM> JF: 17th of december the ARIA call is at 12:30 eastern time
16:28:07 <ShaneM> ... IRC is #aria
16:28:18 <janina> q?
16:28:22 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:28:22 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Footnotes Update -- Shane" taken up [from janina]
16:28:53 <ShaneM> There is a wiki.  Nothing new to report yet.
16:28:56 <ShaneM> zakim, close this item
16:28:56 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:28:57 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:28:57 <Zakim> 7. Accessibility API Update -- Cynthia [from janina]
16:28:59 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 7
16:28:59 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Accessibility API Update -- Cynthia" taken up [from janina]
16:29:15 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 8
16:29:15 <Zakim> agendum 8. "TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track" taken up [from janina]
16:30:26 <ShaneM> Action on janina was to ask for wider review of Alt.  Overcome by events for now.  Put it off until Feb
16:30:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
16:30:42 <ShaneM> There was an action on janina was to ask for wider review of Alt.  Overcome by events for now.  Put it off until Feb
16:30:43 <chaals> action 334 due jan 28
16:30:43 <trackbot> Error finding '334'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
16:30:52 <chaals> actin-33 due jan 28
16:31:01 <chaals> action-334 due jan 28
16:31:01 <trackbot> Set action-334 Send out note requestiong wider review (includes wcag and eo) due date to 2015-01-28.
16:31:10 <chaals> s/actin-33 due jan 28//
16:31:27 <ShaneM> No other action item updates today
16:31:44 <ShaneM> chaals: note that the web platform chairs are working on making HTML editable again.
16:31:45 <chaals> s/action 334 due jan 28//
16:31:46 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:31:46 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Accessibility API Update -- Cynthia" taken up [from janina]
16:31:54 <chaals> zakim, close item 7
16:31:54 <Zakim> agendum 7, Accessibility API Update -- Cynthia, closed
16:31:55 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:31:55 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
16:31:59 <chaals> zakim, close item 8
16:31:59 <Zakim> agendum 8, TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track, closed
16:32:00 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:32:00 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
16:32:01 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 9
16:32:02 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:32:36 <liam> http://emmyonline.com/tech_67th_recipients ANNUAL TECHNOLOGY & ENGINEERING EMMY® AWARDS
16:32:40 <ShaneM> liam: Annual Technology and Engineering Emmy Awards were in September
16:32:50 <ShaneM> ceremony on 8 January.
16:33:08 <liam> "Standardization and Pioneering Development of Non-Live Broadband Captioning"
16:33:20 <ShaneM> W3C got an award.  Yay us
16:33:30 <janina> e-champaigne all around!
16:33:55 <chaals> [yay]
16:34:07 <janina> MAUR is now a W3C Note: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
16:34:09 <ShaneM> janina: since last telecom MAUR is a published note
16:34:37 <ShaneM> rrsagent. make minutes
16:34:44 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
16:34:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
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16:35:42 <chaals> (regrets for 7 / 14 January. I'll be in a timezone that makes this call "unlikely")
16:35:48 <ShaneM> zakim, adjourn
16:35:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'adjourn', ShaneM
16:36:05 <ShaneM> rrsagent, stop listening
16:36:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop listening', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:36:14 <ShaneM> rrsagent, adjourn meeting
16:36:14 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'adjourn meeting', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:36:49 <ShaneM> rrsagent. show action items
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