17:02:39 RRSAgent has joined #auto 17:02:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-irc 17:03:01 Present: Paul, Dave, Kaz, Peter, Yingying 17:04:52 paul: Peter posted an issue on GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/75 17:06:06 peter: had an action to put on testing 17:08:12 peter: goes through the issue description 17:08:33 ... ex 1: ECMAScript bindings 17:08:51 ... ex 2: Test the Web Forward 17:09:09 Present+ Ted 17:09:37 q+ 17:09:58 Present+ Adam_Crofts 17:10:16 dave: any other W3C groups using this? 17:10:27 peter: don't know actually 17:10:44 ... TTWF is a completely open group 17:10:46 q? 17:12:49 kaz: this was an open project run by adobe and others 17:13:07 … two years ago they asked w3c to take it over and we merged with our work 17:14:12 ted: if you're curious who else is using it besides w3c we can ask 17:14:21 … i don't know anyone offhand 17:14:40 kaz: i can ask mike for help in getting us setup in this system 17:15:06 peter: the join process is pretty spelled out 17:15:45 … the way you work with it is to fork and clone, then submit back your api 17:16:16 fyi, the slides on W3C Web Platform Testing: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbkTZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023 17:16:45 [on the github md page it lists whatwg as another user] 17:17:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html ted 17:17:21 paul has joined #auto 17:17:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html ted 17:17:27 AdamC has joined #auto 17:17:32 djensen47 has joined #auto 17:17:33 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IKpt626qpPnMpiFP9kbkTZaQPj9LST6Awa8d9zK7WCU/edit#slide=id.g4645dac6e_023 17:17:46 peter has joined #auto 17:20:16 http://w3c-test.org/ is maintained by mike smith, philippe le hegaret, denis ah-kang and formerly robin berjon with some assistance from w3c systeam 17:20:17 test platform server: http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html 17:25:59 kaz: Web&TV guys are trying to test TV runtimes 17:26:08 ... so we could ask them as well for help 17:26:44 ... also for test environment, we need some kind of emulator which provides car data instead of an actual car 17:27:04 ... if we can use an IVI on an actual car, that's great 17:27:19 ... but some of the developers need an emulator 17:27:59 peter: have some mechanism but applied to our customers (=car manufacturers) 17:28:18 dave: the idea is just emulating the data 17:28:28 ... how realistic data we need? 17:28:48 ... we might need only some edge cases 17:28:58 kaz: would agree 17:29:40 dave: e.g., provide the biggest/smallest data 17:30:01 paul: simple mechanism which provides CAN data? 17:30:17 dave: for unit testing 17:30:57 s/for/yes. for/ 17:31:22 ... passing the test means being able to process the mocked data 17:31:27 paul: got it 17:31:37 Present+ Avery 17:31:51 ... so what's the next step? 17:32:32 kaz: during the previous call urata-san said he interested but busy 17:33:00 … they are working on an emulator that might be useful. i will ask mike smith for assistance in getting started 17:33:17 s/i will/also i will/ 17:33:28 s/mike smith/mike smith and TV guys/ 17:36:03 paul: what about refactoring the access methods? 17:36:17 -> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/72 refactoring access method issue 17:36:57 ted: reviewing it 17:37:16 ... talked with the domain lead of web api (plh?) 17:38:07 ... maybe might want to reconsider how to handle the time 17:38:48 ... T0 for battery status, battery temp., etc. 17:39:41 ... the maker may use HTML ids 17:40:06 ... would follow email discussions 17:40:08 s/plh?/plh/ 17:40:30 paul: update for issue 72 with some thought 17:40:51 peter: will continue to look through Test the Web Forward 17:40:58 plh concerns with refactoring events along the lines of tobie's suggestion as a more contemporary way web apis are being created 17:41:14 follow that convention will make it easier for web developers to code against our api 17:41:52 peter: started implementation already 17:42:08 ... need to follow the original spec 17:42:39 ... can't tell which would be better, the original style or the new style suggested during TPAC 17:46:30 kaz: we should start with a small set of APIs for testing 17:46:51 ... esp. those which are surely available with the cheapest cars 17:46:58 paul: can provide a list of features 17:47:22 present+ Kevin 17:47:45 ... can take an action for that 17:48:01 action: paul to provide a list of features which are surely available any kind of cars 17:48:02 Created ACTION-11 - Provide a list of features which are surely available any kind of cars [on Paul Boyes - due 2015-12-17]. 17:48:42 peter: also would see the guys work for Test the Web Forward 17:49:15 ... getting a list of limited features for testing is good 17:49:40 ... would have an ideal set of testing 17:51:09 dave: why are they not using tools like jasmine instead? 17:53:22 paul: we use jasmine here. can it be as maintained though if we use it instead of test the web forward system 17:53:30 … i know there are other frameworks as well 17:55:08 dave: curious what adam (jlr) might use 17:55:22 adam: we would use any reasonable test tool 17:56:19 [kaz, when you talk to mike please ask him why not jasmine? was it underdeveloped then or does it continue to have a shortfall for testing web apis] 17:59:14 action: kaz to talk with Mike Smith about W3C Web Platform Testing and Jasmine 17:59:14 Created ACTION-12 - Talk with mike smith about w3c web platform testing and jasmine [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2015-12-17]. 18:02:21 kaz: one quick note that the Test the Web Forward GitHub repo is exactly the one for the W3C Web Platform Testing 18:02:35 ... we can use the test runner site if we add our tests to the repo 18:05:19 action: kaz to create a doodle poll to gather people's availability 18:05:20 Created ACTION-13 - Create a doodle poll to gather people's availability [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2015-12-17]. 18:05:39 [ adjourned ] 18:05:44 rrsagent, make log public 18:05:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:05:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:06:25 Meeting: Automotive WG - Testing TF 18:06:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:06:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:06:35 Chair: Paul 18:06:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:06:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:07:05 i/this was an/scribenick: ted/ 18:07:29 s/test platform server/test runner server/ 18:07:43 i/guys are trying/scribenick: kaz/ 18:07:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:07:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:08:19 i/during the previous/scribenick: ted/ 18:08:34 s/what about refactoring/scribenick: kaz/ 18:08:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:08:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:09:45 s/scribenick: kaz the/what about refactoring the/ 18:09:57 i/what about/scribenick: kaz/ 18:09:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:09:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:10:28 i/why are they/scribenick: ted/ 18:10:40 i/one quick/scribenick: kaz/ 18:10:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:10:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:11:17 i/Peter posted/scribenick: kaz/ 18:11:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:11:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/10-auto-minutes.html kaz 18:11:55 rrsagent, stop