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16:38:33 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Mike P, Mary Jo Mueller, Kurt Mattes
16:38:53 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
16:38:55 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review actions, and timelines
16:38:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  updates Gap analysis and COGA for WCAG
16:38:58 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Issue papers - GA
16:38:59 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Techniques -  GA
16:39:01 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+  Other issue papers
16:39:02 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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17:07:19 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
17:07:48 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:08:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules
17:09:14 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: 28th of January, the first-working draft of the gap analysis is due
17:10:14 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: 3 subgroups are active
17:10:33 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: Neil, Mike, and Lisa are reviewing WCAG content
17:10:48 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: That's one subgroup.
17:11:49 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: Other 2 subgroups are 2) making the table for the gap analysis; and 3) writing the summary for the gap analysis
17:12:05 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
17:13:46 <JohnRochford_> Tony: Has some suggestions for gap analysis for numbers / Discalculia
17:15:33 <JohnRochford_> EA: Chaohai: Has API for symbols
17:16:38 <JohnRochford_> EA: Should be a symbol set available to prove system can work
17:19:33 <JohnRochford_> ddahl: Will integrate, hopefully this week, points about Voice ML made during a call, to the Voice ML issue paper
17:19:39 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#What_are_we_working_on_now.3F
17:21:50 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: Are the related techniques we are recommending are right for EA's and Chaohai's work on the symbol-set integration system
17:21:52 <janina> present+ Janina
17:22:32 <JohnRochford_> Chaohai: Will publish documentation to GitHub about how to use API
17:23:38 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: What we need is an answer to what a web developer needs to do to make the API work properly
17:23:43 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
17:24:44 <JohnRochford_> Chaohai: API provides a way to search for symbols via a lexical query
17:24:58 <ddahl_> present+ Debbie_Dahl
17:25:30 <JohnRochford_> EA: Commercial symbol sets don't reveal their meta data
17:26:37 <JohnRochford_> EA: We can release our framework, but until we get access to symbol sets, we can't show it can work
17:28:11 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: What steps can we take to move this forward, such as a demo?
17:29:11 <JohnRochford_> EA: Next step is to share documentation
17:31:03 <JohnRochford_> EA: We are working in Arabic and English
17:31:29 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: Watson may be able to help with lexical
17:32:08 <JohnRochford_> EA: We are working before Christmas to get as many symbols added as possible
17:33:07 <JohnRochford_> ddahl: There are a lot of parts-of-speech tagging tools available
17:33:43 <JohnRochford_> ddahl: Watson works only with English. Perhaps there is an open-source possibility for Arabic.
17:34:42 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: There has been a lot of work with Hebrew, which is quite similar to Arabic, on parts-of-speech tagging
17:35:16 <JohnRochford_> EA: We have double-checked our entries with an Arabic/English dictionary
17:35:32 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: Ready to move on to next topic?
17:35:33 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:37:17 <Lisa_Seeman> topic: tony's evaluation of numbers for GA
17:38:02 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/math.html
17:38:59 <JohnRochford_> Tony: There's something about memory impairments (Gives examples)
17:40:24 <JohnRochford_> Tony: A combination of sequence and memory with numbers on the web is problematic.
17:41:47 <JohnRochford_> Tony: With 2-factor authentication, recalling 6 digits, and in sequence, may be a problem
17:42:54 <JohnRochford_> Tony: If I think a specific example needs to be added to the security issue paper, I will ping John
17:44:34 <JohnRochford_> Tony: Would it be beneficial to say that multi-modal delivery of numbers, for people with Discalculia, could be beneficial?
17:44:50 <JohnRochford_> Tony: Audio delivery, for example, could be.
17:45:38 <Chaohai_Ding> STEMreader http://www.stemreader.org.uk/
17:47:30 <JohnRochford_> Lisa: People with Dyslexia may prefer numbers as words, e.g., "one" rather than "1".
17:48:32 <JohnRochford_> EA: TTS may require numbers rather than words representing numbers
17:49:04 <JohnRochford_> Tony: Multiple presentation options should be available.
17:50:47 <JohnRochford_> EA: Says "yes" to Lisa's question about whether or not Math ML has such problems.
17:53:38 <JohnRochford_> Tony: There are significant regional distinctions, within the same language, that causes problems with Math ML
17:55:38 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman
17:56:22 <Lisa_Seeman> most important thing is to add all the diffrent aspects and considerations into the issue paper
17:56:35 <Lisa_Seeman> and issues with diffrent proposed solution
17:57:13 <Lisa_Seeman> Tony: decomposing number- the process of braking up a number
17:57:31 <Lisa_Seeman> always need to add each step
17:57:38 <Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: it bellongs in the issue paper
17:58:09 <Lisa_Seeman> it might belong as a techneqe in the wacag proposal
17:58:41 <Lisa_Seeman> tony to update the issue paper
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17:58:57 <Lisa_Seeman> ea: how far do we go with this topic
17:59:11 <Lisa_Seeman> of decomposing - were it is resanble adjustment
18:00:42 <Lisa_Seeman> lisa: in the wcag extention we need to add ecspetions
18:00:59 <Lisa_Seeman> janina : the wider w3 need to be in n this conversation
18:01:20 <Tony_Doan> I need to drop off - sorry
18:01:27 <Lisa_Seeman> at what point do we say we crossed the barrier of what we can do
18:02:18 <Lisa_Seeman> michael: if you are targeting an audence you may go beyond, but wcag has the the concept that the guidlines apply to the audence
18:04:27 <Lisa_Seeman> EA: it is situation specific
18:05:08 <Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: sometimes though someone with adhymers can understand astrophisics if that was what thye have been doing for years.
18:05:19 <Lisa_Seeman> it is the new interface mught though them
18:05:56 <Lisa_Seeman> michael: guidlines might not handle this well,
18:06:38 <Lisa_Seeman> auther needs to consider who they care about
18:07:16 <Lisa_Seeman> lisa: not sure we will need to solve this and it is very grey
18:07:47 <Lisa_Seeman> michael: user interfaces fetures need x level of support and content need y level support
18:08:29 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:08:38 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
18:08:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/07-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:08:52 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:08:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, MichaelC, Debbie_Dahl
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18:10:54 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:10:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items