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<yaso> Hi phila and riccardoAlbertoni, can you hear me?
<riccardoAlbertoni> Hello everyone, I am in a project meeting and we are all gather in a room so I will follow the discussion on irc mainly, antoine is going to drive the discussion
<yaso> ok, riccardoAlbertoni
<yaso> ok, phila
<yaso> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 04 December 2015
<yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151204
<yaso> scribe?
<yaso> hi phila
<BernadetteLoscio> hi Phil!
<phila> scribe: EricKauz
<phila> scribeNick: EricKauz
BernadetteLoscio: talking about
voting on publication of next draft during next two weeks
... will the group review document next week, continue work on
adding examples or stop everything so group can review
... worried about comment tracker, open comments.
... comments still open, comment from andreas, about apis. open
comments are a concern, not sure how to close comments, looking
for help.
<yaso> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13q2CvZjMkjXrg7Pv7aTRuU5UL2J_-py09Vs_zJoaLso/edit#
yaso: regarding comments from
Eric, and rest apis, annette prepared a proposal, have draft of
a better version on best practices for APIs, made more general.
have a good proposal, no examples yet.
... text still needed to be refined, but lots of progress. yaso
will finish review today.
annette_g: getting there, about ready, will finish comments within next hour, fine to put it in
<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150625/
BernadetteLoscio: comment tracker, some comments are about hyper media, fragmented identifiers, needs help on how to answer on comment tracker.
phila: has not read Eric's
comments, need to understand them, close to being done, will
take more time to review Eric W's comments, regarding process,
need to get this publihshed before christmas. 17th is latest we
can publish this year.
... is everyone happy that their organisation is happy with the
document being published., people need to be comfortable with
it before they vote.
BernadetteLoscio: working on best
practices document, feedback is welcome about the distribution
of benefits, association between benefits and best practices,
d
... we are trying to have an example for each best practice,
feedback is welcome
... group needs to review document but want to still add more
examples
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about challenges, benefits and lists
phila: wont have good examples
for all bps, need to get it ready to be published.
... get document ready to be published as a working draft as
opposed to trying to get it finished, get it ready to be
published,
... three separate lists, suggesting that one of them is
redundant., not sure which ones, SVG?
<annette_g> +1 for making the doc shorter
<yaso> +1
<laufer> I prefer the benefits
<phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/#bps
BernadetteLoscio: agrees, different views of same thing, benefits were to provide an integrated view of best practices compared to benefits.
phila: can list in terms of PSI directive. can list them in different ways, not for version going out next week.
yaso: perhaps split document, separate out section
<BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#BP_Benefits
BernadetteLoscio: idea was not for index for best practices, best practice associated with benefits. I can remove diagram, since have steps in each section of document
<laufer> I vote for not removing the diagram
yaso: continue conversation by email. Do vocabs go with best practices
phila: yes if it could be done, can only publish anything if the group agrees
BernadetteLoscio: continue
conversation by mail.
... if we are going to vote next week, do we need a proposal
now or just by mail,
phila: need to let group know and put it in the agenda.
yaso: now talk about data quality vocabulary
<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/199
<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/203
<antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate
antoine: structured discussion on agenda, five main items, quality policy have new example they are happy with. part of progress, another part of issues required another example for qualtity, ways to express agreements for contractual obligations, WIP
<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202
antoine: before move to other issues, still have action, 202, Giancarlo to share example on Service Level Agreement, still outstanding, any suggestions,
yaso: yaso can try to reach out to him
<yaso> ACTION: yaso to reach out with giancarlo about the http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Reach out with giancarlo about the http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202 [on Yaso Córdova - due 2015-12-11].
antoine: he seemed to have good input to give so prefer if he gives input
<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/205
antoine: next item, representing
quality dimensions in vocab, DAQ way *sublclass of abstract
class" not so happy, looking at "skos concept", still open for
discussion, cant progress with out Jeremy's buy in.
... will try to revive discussion, main blocking point for
progress, it is standing in the way of quality and with issue
200, but could change based on decsion on 204 and 205
<yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0146.html
<yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Oct/0019.html
antoine: comment from andrea,
have handled all suggestions and will send an answer and some
questions, for Werner less discussion but some answer given by
Jeremy, will try to relate his comments to previous raised
issues
... if group agrees may publish new version but include open
comments
<yaso> I muted myself due to a cough session, just a minute
phila: pressure to get a new version out, Jan vs Dec not a big deal, getting ready to publish different than finished.
antoine: keeping to hope to reach agreement in time but may publish now and resolve comments later
phila: vote next week?
<laufer> I see no problem
antoine: Ricardo and antoine will spend time making RDF file later, but wanted to ask group if ok to publish without rdf vocabulary
phila: good to avoid surprises
but antoine is in control and will get support of group
... what is effort to make RDF Vocab, within next week
antoine: other things to do so it would be tough, where to spend time best.
phila: could create rdf document quite easily by next Friday, if this will give antoine more time
antoine: would be helpful for phil to create RDF vocab.
phila: will create an RDF vocab and put on github
yaso: do we need to create an
action
... will create an action for Phil to create vocab
<SumitPurohit> +q
<phila> ACTION: phila to create RDF vocab for DQV [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Create rdf vocab for dqv [on Phil Archer - due 2015-12-11].
<yaso> ACTION: phila will create an RDF vocab (dqv) and put on github [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Will create an rdf vocab (dqv) and put on github [on Phil Archer - due 2015-12-11].
<yaso> ops
SumitPurohit: planning to meet this week, corrections on agent classes and feedback part, subgroup meeting next week
<phila> close action-222
<trackbot> Closed action-222.
BernadetteLoscio: in last meeting
had discussion on open issues, Eric made new version of model,
description of new classes needs to be updates, will meet
beginning of next week, do not have RDF implementation.
... still have some work to do before we can review document.
but hoping for review next week
<yaso> any comments?
BernadetteLoscio: have new version of the model based on last meeting, no new open issues, not a lot to discuss.
<antoine> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/
antoine: will speak about last issue, about healthcare and lifescience profile, dcat profile made but life science community, contains elements for data sets in community, may want to align qv and uv. should group have look at it or leave on side
phila: alignment is always good
but way is around is put an issue in document and say what
alignment should be.
... people talk about data set usage and data set vocabulary,
but no one is using them, no evidence to draw on to point one
way of other. keen for them to be published.
... note when document is done make note to work with HCLS
community.can ask them for feedback
<phila> issue: What is the importance of the alignment between HCLS-DATASET and DQV?
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-221 - What is the importance of the alignment between hcls-dataset and dqv?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221/edit>.
<phila> ACTION: Antoine to contact Michel Dumontier about Issue-221 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Contact michel dumontier about issue-221 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-12-11].
yaso: issue on holidays but running out of time,
hadleybeeman: holidays coming up, call for 25th and Jan 1st, should we cancel them
+1
<phila> PROPOSED: Cancel meetings on 25 Dec and 1 Jan
<phila> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to cancel
<annette_g> +1
<yaso> +1
<yaso> +1
<laufer> it is possiblçe to change the week day of the calls?
<phila> I won't be there even if they're not cancelled
<antoine> +1
<SumitPurohit> +1
<phila> And actually, I;m off for the whole of those 2 weeks
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<hadleybeeman> +1
RESOLUTION: Cancel meetings on 25 Dec and 1 Jan
yaso: approved cancellation of two meetings
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks Yaso!
<SumitPurohit> thanks all
<phila> Thanks everyone, next week is general election day!
<laufer> bya all... nice to meet u all...
<yaso> bye!
yaso: see you next week for voting on document(s)
<riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks all! thanks antoine to drive the discussion