15:02:14 RRSAgent has joined #tt 15:02:14 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/12/03-tt-irc 15:02:16 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:02:16 Zakim has joined #tt 15:02:18 Zakim, this will be TTML 15:02:18 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:02:19 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 15:02:19 Date: 03 December 2015 15:03:13 Present: Frans, nigel 15:03:16 chair: nigel 15:03:17 scribe: nigel 15:03:26 pal has joined #tt 15:03:36 dejong has joined #tt 15:04:16 Present+ pal 15:05:20 Present+ tmichel 15:06:17 Topic: This meeting 15:07:07 nigel: There's a bit of action to report on and I think we want to cover IMSC pull requests in advance of CRs 15:08:11 pal: Yes, it looks like Glenn is still implementing so if we move to a new CR now we may need another one in case more issues get filed. 15:08:38 nigel: I'd like to know how much time Glenn will spend on it - if its 1 week that gives us one view; if 3 months then it would be another. 15:08:45 pal: That would be a good question to ask. 15:09:07 nigel: Anything else on the agenda? 15:10:31 group: No AOB 15:10:34 Topic: Action Items 15:10:45 action-452? 15:10:45 action-452 -- Nigel Megitt to Check with frans about hosting the ibc slides on the ebu space, and send a link around. -- due 2015-12-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:10:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/452 15:11:04 nigel: Thank you Frans for uploading the slides as requested, onto the EBU space. I've updated the action with the URL: 15:11:20 https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/events/IBC2015/EBU-TT-D_and_IMSC.pdf 15:12:42 Action-452: nigel to add link to wiki prior to closing this action 15:12:42 Notes added to Action-452 Check with frans about hosting the ibc slides on the ebu space, and send a link around.. 15:13:02 action-451? 15:13:02 action-451 -- Thierry Michel to Investigate if we are required to move to the 2015 process -- due 2015-12-03 -- OPEN 15:13:02 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/451 15:13:51 tmichel: I'm sorry that I cannot report because I've not been able to discuss it with plh. 15:14:05 ... I will ping him again today and hopefully report in a few days. 15:14:59 pal: Thank you! 15:15:30 action-450? 15:15:30 action-450 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Check character to glyph mappings for common script value -- due 2015-11-26 -- OPEN 15:15:30 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/450 15:17:07 pal: We should actually file this as an issue on github 15:17:52 ... I'll do that right now. And I'll include a prompt to remind Glenn about the list of complex scripts. 15:18:29 ... [files issue] 15:18:59 ... Thank you for the reminder. This one is not fatal but we should find a solution. 15:19:11 https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/103 15:19:26 Action-450: This action moved to issue #103 on github at https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/103 15:19:26 Notes added to Action-450 Check character to glyph mappings for common script value. 15:19:35 close action-450 15:19:35 Closed action-450. 15:21:06 Topic: Charter 15:21:24 nigel: I just want to remind us that as per http://www.w3.org/2015/10/29-tt-minutes.html#item01 15:21:54 ... we need to prepare a new draft charter by the end of January. 15:22:18 Topic: IMSC 15:22:37 pal: I've merged 3 pull requests uneventfully. 15:22:43 s/3/4 15:23:17 pal: Related to issues #81, #84, #85 and #86 15:23:37 nigel: Great! 15:24:00 pal: The three remaining PRs will be on track to be closed soon. People seem happy so 15:24:11 ... we're just waiting for the 2 week review period. 15:25:30 pal: I don't have any other major things. Glenn has raised some good issues that I'll address. 15:25:49 ... I don't expect any further problems with those. How do we manage the fact that we want 15:25:56 ... folks to have ready access to the latest version. 15:26:12 nigel: I'll follow up with Glenn to get an estimate on his timescales in implementing IMSC 1. 15:27:00 tmichel: Just to come back to the CR issue, I think now a new trend that was advocated 15:27:18 ... by plh is to publish the CR when the group has the level of implementation readiness 15:27:43 ... to exit CR. 15:27:52 nigel: I think that was based on being in WD - we're already in CR. 15:28:12 tmichel: Well still we can use that idea. There are still people working on implementation 15:28:23 ... so we can wait until we're ready before going to the next CR. 15:28:36 pal: I'm happy to wait. It was not obvious from the /TR page that the ED was really what 15:28:48 ... they ought to be looking at, but I'm happy to withhold a CR until after Glenn has 15:28:55 ... finished his initial implementation assuming that will be soon. 15:29:12 tmichel: I agree that's not obvious for people. We're requesting people to look at the ED 15:29:25 ... to see the latest version but we're asking for implementations on the CR - that's not 15:30:04 ... easy to understand. We can still publish any number of CRs with no problem. Now the process is easier too. 15:30:49 pal: One positive of publishing a new CR is that the delta between successive CRs is smaller 15:31:03 ... There's an argument for doing that even though we will have the pain of another CR later. 15:31:40 nigel: I agree - it's just that if Glenn gives us a wrapped up implementation report by the 15:31:47 ... end of December then we'll think we should have waited. 15:31:59 pal: I agree with that. Let's target a CR version for next week then. 15:32:12 tmichel: To clarify, my position is not to wait for more bug fixes. Personally I think we 15:32:32 ... should publish a new CR. What I'm saying now is that there's this model that plh is pushing 15:32:51 ... that simplifies the process. Myself I prefer to go to another CR even if there's another one. 15:33:02 ... And it's good to make the deltas shorter and shorter over time. 15:33:33 pal: Let's say we set a target for next week to go to CR. Can we close issues during the meeting? 15:35:47 nigel: We can, yes - I view the Pull Request as a call for consensus, which for offline decisions 15:37:15 ... is subject to the 2 week decision policy. If during a meeting we have all the right inputs 15:37:37 ... and the folk who raised the issue are happy with it then I see that as equivalent to our 15:37:48 ... previous working model of closing pending review issues. 15:38:14 pal: What do we need to do to move to a CR? 15:39:02 nigel: We need a version that we can propose to publish, and a minuted resolution to publish, 15:39:17 ... then we need to agree the conformance changes as being substantive or not, and if there 15:39:24 ... are any that are then we need to meet the Director. 15:39:38 pal: Can we see if we can schedule a meeting with the Director for Dec 18? 15:39:47 tmichel: I'll look at the diary and see if we can manage that/ 15:39:52 s|/|| 15:40:08 pal: Okay that'd be the best option and would give us a couple of weeks to clean up the 15:40:12 ... SOTD section etc. 15:40:31 tmichel: I'll do that right now. 15:41:55 nigel: So you don't think any of the open issues needs discussion? 15:42:08 pal: I'd appreciate review, but they all look fairly straightforward. 15:43:37 zcorpan has joined #tt 15:46:23 nigel: Okay, I think we're out of agenda now so I'll adjourn - thanks everyone! [adjourns meeting] 15:46:27 rrsagent, make minutes 15:46:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/03-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:48:02 s/... finished his initial/pal: finished his initial 15:48:17 rrsagent, make minutes 15:48:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/03-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:49:38 ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 15:49:39 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/03-tt-minutes.html nigel 17:27:34 Zakim has left #tt