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16:04:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
16:04:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:04:41 <Shervin> Can folks here me on the phone?
16:04:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Arabic Layout Task Force Teleconference
16:04:41 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2015
16:04:50 <mostafa> No.
16:04:56 <r12a> no
16:05:06 <mostafa> I see you on the WebEx and your video came for a few seconds.
16:05:18 <mostafa> But your voice icon is not shown.
16:05:21 <r12a> i see you on webex, but you're not connected via audio
16:05:39 <r12a> present+
16:05:45 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:05:45 <Zakim> Present: r12a
16:05:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, r12a, Shervin, Khaled, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:05:51 <mostafa> present+
16:06:03 <r12a> present+ Khaled, Mostafa, Najib
16:06:08 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:06:08 <Zakim> Present: r12a, mostafa, Khaled, Najib
16:06:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, r12a, Shervin, Khaled, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:07:23 <r12a> present+ Shervin, Waseem
16:07:29 <r12a> regrets+ Behnam
16:08:01 <Shervin> ScribeNick: mostafa
16:08:52 <Shervin> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2015OctDec/0039.html
16:09:11 <Shervin> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
16:10:20 <mostafa> Najib: Re action-7, I put the draft on the Google Docs.
16:10:24 <najib> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IRgcMygoovniN_qL1cjD2WB-FiSyYFKlzEblvJuxRgY/edit#
16:10:52 <mostafa> … I made some changes and am looking for more recommendations.
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16:11:36 <mostafa> … Richard suggested we use a simple transliteration.
16:12:21 <mostafa> … I covered the six root styles.
16:13:10 <mostafa> … I received an email from Richard suggesting using pictures for showing Arabic words. I can do that.
16:13:59 <mostafa> Shervin: Thank you. This looks good as a start.
16:14:48 <mostafa> … Regarding transliteration, the most important thing is to reach an agreement that is good enough for everybody in ths task force.
16:15:10 <mostafa> … We are not supposed to solve thoroughly the topic of transliteration.
16:15:36 <mostafa> … We have a list of references. We can put our references in there and cite their code in our texts.
16:15:58 <mostafa> … I’ll give write access to that list to do that.
16:16:06 <r12a> q+ to talk about transliterations/transcriptions
16:16:20 <mostafa> … This is good start, once you are done, you can create a pull request for the document.
16:17:07 <mostafa> … I will send a short email discussing the basics of sending pull requests.
16:17:55 <mostafa> … I have Action-16 for this.
16:18:42 <Shervin> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/20/files?diff=split
16:19:03 <mostafa> Shervin: Re Action-12, I created a branch in GitHub and made all the changes in six or seven commits there.
16:19:37 <mostafa> … I went throught the links and refences and breifly summarized them.
16:20:36 <mostafa> q+
16:20:44 <Shervin> ack mostafa
16:20:50 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:20:50 <Zakim> r12a, you wanted to talk about transliterations/transcriptions
16:22:22 <Shervin> Zakim, close action-12
16:22:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close action-12', Shervin
16:22:27 <mostafa> Mostafa: I saw your PR when you sent it and it seems very good to me. It covers a lot of topics and that gives us confidence when we are drafting.
16:22:33 <Shervin> Close action-12
16:22:33 <trackbot> Closed action-12.
16:23:49 <mostafa> Richard: I will do Action-20 this week.
16:24:20 <r12a> agenda+ transliterations/transcription
16:24:35 <mostafa> Waseem: Re Action-21, I’ve asked a co-worker to get me a collection of resources and I’ll get it in a week.
16:25:05 <mostafa> … I haven’t seen them yet, but one of them covers Arabic typography.
16:25:21 <mostafa> Shervin: Action-22 seems vague.
16:25:48 <mostafa> … We’ll review Action-23 when we have Behnam.
16:26:18 <Shervin> NickScribe: Shervin
16:27:40 <Shervin> Mostafa: The joining section happens in first section. Rather than joining behaviour in chap 3 have it in two.
16:27:51 <Shervin> NickScribe: mostafa
16:27:59 <Shervin> agenda?
16:28:01 <mostafa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TSA1Ju70FaMzUD2EXTgMnZtjszPKBeGj5O8FtXy9SqA/edit?usp=drive_web
16:29:56 <r12a> q+
16:30:01 <najib> q+
16:30:06 <mostafa> Mostafa: Since we now have a new chapter on Arabic Script Overview, I suggest to switch to write the joining section on that chapter and get to joining section on the thrid chapter later on.
16:30:17 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:30:42 <Shervin> ack najib
16:32:16 <mostafa> Shervin: This seems like a good start. You can send a PR when you feel it’s ready.
16:32:39 <mostafa> Richard: This is not very much important, but move commas out of quotation marks!
16:32:58 <mostafa> Mostafa: +1
16:33:54 <mostafa> Najib: The issues that is mentioned in the drafts that have to be taken care of are only for writing with fonts, not with hands.
16:35:23 <mostafa> Mostafa: I agree, but I guess we have an assumption about that.
16:37:15 <mostafa> Shervin: Action-27 is about forlks from IBM.
16:37:35 <mostafa> … Two representatives joined, but I’m not seeing them on the IRC or the WebEx.
16:37:45 <najib> s/forlks/folks/
16:37:46 <Shervin> Close ACTION-27
16:37:46 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-27.
16:38:38 <mostafa> … Re Action-29, glossary is not yet complete.
16:38:46 <Shervin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit#gid=0&vpid=A2
16:39:00 <mostafa> … I filtered out the list for only priorty 1 terms, but even that is not complete yet.
16:39:39 <mostafa> … We are not in good shape here. We need to put some effort in finishing this.
16:39:59 <mostafa> … Do people still have any interest into doing this?
16:40:29 <mostafa> Richard: Last week we discussed converting this into HTML and putting it in the document and work on it afterwards.
16:40:53 <mostafa> Shervin: Yes, but I saw that it doesn’t have enough words for that. If everybody is okay with that, I can do it.
16:40:58 <mostafa> Richard: Looks good to me.
16:41:01 <najib> I m still working on it
16:41:56 <mostafa> Shervin: I’ll make an automated script for doing that and making sure diffs will be meaningful.
16:42:26 <mostafa> … Azzadine sent a whole translated glossary and it can be seen on the second sheet of the document.
16:42:49 <mostafa> … I’m not an expert on this. What do people think about it, specially Najib and Khaled?
16:43:52 <mostafa> … Is it possible to use these terms for filling up the first sheet if they sound good to you?
16:44:26 <mostafa> Khaled: I think I can review this new sheet and if the words are okay I’ll move them to the first sheet.
16:45:21 <mostafa> Najib: I’ll work on that too.
16:45:27 <Shervin> ACTION for Khaled to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:45:27 <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
16:45:38 <Shervin> ACTION for najib to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:45:38 <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
16:46:05 <Shervin> ACTION najib to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:46:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Look at entries from azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet [on Najib Tounsi - due 2015-12-08].
16:46:11 <Shervin> ACTION Khaled to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:46:11 <trackbot> Error finding 'Khaled'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
16:46:43 <Shervin> ACTION khaled to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:46:43 <trackbot> Error finding 'khaled'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
16:47:50 <Shervin> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users
16:48:05 <Shervin> ACTION Khaled to look at entries from Azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet
16:48:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Look at entries from azzedine and move the relevant translations to main sheet [on Khaled Hosny Ghetas - due 2015-12-08].
16:48:51 <mostafa> Shervin: I also want to point folks to a document on our Dropbox folder.
16:49:06 <Shervin> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpamjmcoejj9ju6/Maajam-Typo_6488.pdf?dl=0
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16:54:08 <Shervin> ScribeNick: Shervin
16:54:37 <mostafa__> http://w3c.github.io/alreq/
16:54:58 <Shervin> mostafa: re Action-30. Did the pull request and it was merged.
16:55:09 <mostafa__> https://github.com/mostafah/alreq/commit/404f75daa4f6bb83750db85eee92b73371759842
16:55:39 <Shervin> najib: The convention to keep the rightmost term in the glossary as most preferred.
16:55:52 <Shervin> ... multiple columns can be also used.
16:56:39 <Shervin> Shervin: Preferring to keep the format as simple as possible. The convention looks good to Khaled and Najib.
16:56:52 <Shervin> ScribeNick: mostafa
16:56:57 <najib> ++1
16:57:06 <Shervin> Close ACTION-30
16:57:07 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-30.
16:57:42 <Shervin> Close ACTION-31
16:57:42 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-31.
16:57:48 <Shervin> agenda?
16:58:14 <Shervin> Zakim, take agendum 1
16:58:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 1', Shervin
16:58:15 <mostafa> Richard: The discussion on transliteration is on GitHub.
16:58:28 <Shervin> Zakim, take agendum number 1
16:58:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum number 1', Shervin
16:58:36 <mostafa> … I suggest using two different transliterations for Arabic and Persian and not using the same for both.
16:59:35 <mostafa> … I also want to say that once this list is complete I can run them through my pickers and that create their transliterations automatically.
17:00:16 <mostafa> … I suggest using the standard Library of Congress transliteration method, if there’s no problem with using that.
17:00:25 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/16
17:01:43 <mostafa> Najib: I saw this transliteration and have already started to use it. I agree with Richard.
17:03:04 <Shervin> ACTION mostafa to look at the ALA transliteration scheme for Persian.
17:03:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Look at the ala transliteration scheme for persian. [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-08].
17:03:06 <mostafa> Shervin: I have to look at the Persian transliteration and give my opinion about it. Mostafa, have you seen it?
17:03:11 <Shervin> ACTION Shervin to look at the ALA transliteration scheme for Persian.
17:03:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Look at the ala transliteration scheme for persian. [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-12-08].
17:03:14 <mostafa> Mostafa: No, but I want to do that during this week.
17:03:52 <Shervin> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
17:04:26 <mostafa> Shervin: Let’s review GitHub issues.
17:05:39 <mostafa> … I want to talk very shortly about issue #13, which is about style.
17:06:01 <mostafa> … Specially, I want to mention selection of a font for images.
17:06:20 <Shervin> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/13
17:06:21 <mostafa> … I asked Mostafa to include his favorites. It would be great to hear from from others too.
17:08:19 <mostafa> Richard: Are these suggestions for texts too, or images only?
17:08:47 <r12a> q+
17:08:48 <mostafa> Mostafa: I haven’t thought about texts when talking about this. These are for images only.
17:09:07 <mostafa> … And that is for the sake of consistency.
17:09:17 <Shervin> ack r12a
17:09:42 <mostafa> Shervin: I think that we don’t have to select a font for the text. We can use what is installed on the users computer.
17:09:54 <mostafa> Khaled: I don’t like Sheherezade very much.
17:10:12 <mostafa> Richard: Do we need Nastaliq for Persian too?
17:10:23 <mostafa> +1
17:11:23 <mostafa> Shervin: There are some Nastaliq fonts for Persian produced in Iran, but we might not need that in the document.
17:11:53 <mostafa> … If we need to demonstrate Nastaliq, we can use a calligrapher’s work.
17:12:51 <mostafa> … I encourage people to add their suggestions to that thread.
17:14:52 <mostafa> … Re issue #8, I still need to generate the charts from CLDR for the “characters” section.
17:15:45 <Shervin> ACTION Shervin Change the code to generate exemplar charts to have multiple tables and cover CLDR root
17:15:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Change the code to generate exemplar charts to have multiple tables and cover cldr root [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-12-08].
17:17:42 <mostafa> q+
17:18:28 <Shervin> ack mostafa
17:18:28 <mostafa> Mostafa: Issues #5, #4, and #3 are like each other, and they need to be there so that we can cover them when we get to the parts that need to cover them.
17:19:02 <Shervin> ScribeNick: Shervin
17:19:16 <Shervin> Mostafa: With more issues we can use labels in GH issues.
17:19:29 <Shervin> ScribeNick: mostafa
17:20:25 <mostafa> Khaled: I can work on the “numbers” section from the script overview.
17:21:39 <mostafa> Shervin: Numbers is favorite topic of mine, too, specially for Arabic.
17:23:27 <mostafa> … There is a document about it. Roozbeh and I have done some research about it, covering bank notes.
17:23:39 <mostafa> … I would like to work on this too.
17:25:21 <Shervin> ACTION Khaled Start the draft regarding numbers in use with Arabic
17:25:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Start the draft regarding numbers in use with arabic [on Khaled Hosny Ghetas - due 2015-12-08].
17:27:28 <mostafa> … Re Persian numbers, I still see the wrong set of numerals used in different contexts.
17:29:05 <mostafa> … Don’t use the term “Arabic numbers”. It’s a source of confusion.
17:31:54 <najib> bye
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17:32:03 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:32:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/01-alreq-minutes.html r12a