Friday, November 27th, 2015
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yaso
 deirdrelee: can you mute me at webex?
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ericstephan
 present+ ericstephan
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yaso
 There's a bit of backg noise...
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— antoine am I the only one not hearing deirdrelee well?
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BernadetteLoscio
 hello!
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— antoine there's a lot of background noise
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riccardoAlbertoni
 no your are not the only ;)
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— Caroline it is very noisy
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— Caroline deirdrelee could you mute everyone, please?
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ericstephan
 I am hearing deirdrelee but static is on the line in the background
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ericstephan
 no static
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ericstephan
 oops
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deirdrelee
 yaso, do you want to chair and i will scribe?
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deirdrelee
 I can't help background noise today :\
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ericstephan
 I lost all audio
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yaso
 deirdrelee: can you hear me?
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— Caroline deirdrelee I think you can mute Call_in user 1 and 3
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— antoine yaso has not much background, but a bit of echo, and she sounds like 2km away.
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— Caroline on the webex interface
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deirdrelee
 chair: yaso
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deirdrelee
 scribe: deirdrelee
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— deirdrelee yes
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yaso
 tks, deirdrelee
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riccardoAlbertoni
 yes,
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deirdrelee
 minutes: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/20-dwbp-minutes
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deirdrelee
 PROPOSED: Resolve minutes from last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2015/11/20-dwbp-minutes
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ericstephan
 +1
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yaso
 +1
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antoine
 +0 (not there)
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Caroline
 +1
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deirdrelee
 0 not there
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antoine
 oops I was there
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riccardoAlbertoni
 +0 ( I was not present)
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deirdrelee
 RESOLVED: Resolve minutes from last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2015/11/20-dwbp-minutes
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deirdrelee
 Topic: BP Document update from editors
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yaso
 ack Caroline
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deirdrelee
 Caroline: BernadetteLoscio is late, so let's come back to BP
14:28
 
yaso
 Data Quality Vocabulary
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deirdrelee
 Topic: DQV
14:28
 
yaso
 ack riccardoAlbertoni
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deirdrelee
 riccardoAlbertoni: brief update, we are discussing behind the scene with Jeremy issue 114 and 115
14:29
 
deirdrelee
 ...there is also some discussion around SLA and quality work done by nandana
14:29
 
deirdrelee
 ... no resolution yet, as discussions still ongoing
14:29
 
deirdrelee
 ... we have just updated the doc with the resolution we resolved last week
14:29
 
ericstephan
 q+
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deirdrelee
 ack ericstephan
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ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/205
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: question about issue-205
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deirdrelee
 ... i commented in email that i like the idea/direction about using skos to use broader/narrower classes
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deirdrelee
 ... is this close to being resolved? because some of these decisions would be useful for DUV
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yaso
 q?
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antoine
 q+
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deirdrelee
 riccardoAlbertoni: there are two different positions on this issue, not sure if we'll close if very soon.
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deirdrelee
 ... one of the things they could do is publish email exchange with Jeremy
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deirdrelee
 ... hope to have a resolution soon, but not in the next week probably
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yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: do you think it will be resolved inthe next revision of DQV released before Christmas?
14:32
 
antoine
 q?
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deirdrelee
 riccardoAlbertoni: I hope so
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antoine
 q+
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deirdrelee
 trackbot, start meeting
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yaso
 q?
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trackbot
 Zakim, this will be DWBP
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Zakim
 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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trackbot
 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot
 Date: 27 November 2015
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riccardoAlbertoni
 q?
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— deirdrelee antoine on Q
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yaso
 q?
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yaso
 Sorry, just lost my connexion for some seconds :-/
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yaso
 Did not see you at the q, antoine
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yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 antoine: decision depends on discussions with Jeremy, we are on two different approaches. resolution not in sight
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deirdrelee
 ... but your comments are really useful
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— deirdrelee zakim wasn't here yet :)
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antoine
 q+
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antoine
 q-
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— deirdrelee my fault
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ericstephan
 q+
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ericstephan
 q-
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— deirdrelee zakim needs to be at the party :)
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deirdrelee
 topic: Data Usage Vocabulary
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yaso
 ack ericstephan
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: this is partly holiday week,so sumit and i haven't had time to get together
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deirdrelee
 ... really do need feedback on actions, so hoping we can cover some of the issues today
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deirdrelee
 ... still on track to put out a new revision before Christmas
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— deirdrelee go over duv now?
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— deirdrelee discuss bp for final 10 mins
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ericstephan
 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
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ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/214
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: we didn't have issue numbers integrated into document, but now we do
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deirdrelee
 ... before last week's meting, Joao Paulo gave lots of feedback on this issue. This is to do with the citation model
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BernadetteLoscio
 hello! I'm sorry... I'm late :(
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deirdrelee
 ... an agent can be an organisation, person, or project so question was could we use prov:agent
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yaso
 hi Bernadette!
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deirdrelee
 ... joao paulo said that foaf: agent is more experimental, so better not to use
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antoine
 q+
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deirdrelee
 ... also bad practice to extend prov:agent that's defined in another vocabulary (?)
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yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 ... but we still need to define a distributor or publisher that's a project.
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yaso
 ack antoine
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deirdrelee
 antoine:
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antoine
 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#Class:Dimension
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deirdrelee
 antoine: it's not good practice to overload classes with new things. if prov:agent is not yet meant to capture project, then it might not be good to include foaf:project, especially if not stable
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deirdrelee
 ... other point is that if an umbrella class is necessary at all?
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deirdrelee
 ... for example we decided not to include an umbrella class in dqv. if we want dcat:dataset etc. we just say it
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deirdrelee
 ... so maybe best to just use prov:agent or foaf:project explicitly, instead of new umbrella class
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— Caroline BernadetteLoscio is online :)
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yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: i'll think about that. so if you're using dataset, you don't use general term, e.g. entity
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deirdrelee
 ... you still have entity in the model to show, but when you're describing it, you use the specific class. e.g. you would never use prov:entity
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deirdrelee
 antoine: think prov:entity is pretty meaningless. it's still in the diagram, but maybe it shold be the 'last resort', it's not so informative. e.g. use dataset, or project, etc
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deirdrelee
 ... sometimes it's handy to have the general class, but sometimes it doesn't bring much. it's convenient, but it also brings semantic issues
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deirdrelee
 ... you might have a hard time explaining why you have a new class with the same name. time better spent elsewhere
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: in some ways it was to make the model more understandable
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deirdrelee
 ... but point well taken
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yaso
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/219
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ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/215
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yaso
 topic: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/215
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: issue-215 is a problem,but maybe we've addressed it ourselves
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deirdrelee
 ... originally our model made use of foaf:document, but we're making so many changes to the meaning, i'm reluctant to just use foaf:document
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deirdrelee
 ... maybe we should have our own duv:publication
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deirdrelee
 ... we had discussions around citing electronic documents on the web
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yaso
 q?
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antoine
 q+
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deirdrelee
 ... i was trying to aim for reusing more familiar classes by using foaf:document, but we will probably use duv:publication
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deirdrelee
 antoine: wasn't ther eanything in the SPAR vocabularies?
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: there is lots in the SPAR vocabularies
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deirdrelee
 ... was thinking of taking requirements from data archiving and include that in duv:publication
14:50
 
deirdrelee
 ... question about how to provide non-normative guidance on how SPAR vocabularies should be used?
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yaso
 q?
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yaso
 ack antoine
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deirdrelee
 ... would like to use the properties they define
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ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/218
14:51
 
deirdrelee
 ... in some ways i'm trying to make the model as simple as possible, because the SPAR model has a specific focus and is very rich
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deirdrelee
 antoine: that also applies to other vocabularies. prov:entity for example has a number of properties that people will have to understand and use
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deirdrelee
 ... but understand if you have to do it with prov, might want to restrict for SPAR
14:53
 
deirdrelee
 ericstephan: started of with BEBO and Q, but ended up using a lot of SPAR properties
14:53
 
deirdrelee
 ... should go back to communities and get their feedback
14:53
 
ericstephan
 Great thought Antoine about mappings to the other vocabularies
14:54
 
ericstephan
 We could use a table
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deirdrelee
 antoine: suggest to introduce a number of mappings to these other vocabularies, and keep open an issue that if they have a recommendation that a class they have should replace prov:entity
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antoine
 s/prov:Entity/duv:Publication
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: for issue-218, i think this would help here as well
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— deirdrelee thanks antoine
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— antoine welcome deirdrelee :-)
14:55
 
ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/217
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: this is where we struggled a bit in terms of the usage side.
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deirdrelee
 ... what we've done for the data usage (dark blue side), we have created description of how you would use the model for a particular dataset (similar to man pages), like a human-readable file
14:57
 
deirdrelee
 ... if people have thoughts on the usage side of the model, that woudl be terrific
14:57
 
deirdrelee
 BernadetteLoscio: as we discussed before, it's not clear how we should model the usage. if we should be more specific or use the annotations
14:58
 
deirdrelee
 ... the informaiton about usage is something that will be given both by the consumer and the publisher
14:59
 
ericstephan
 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/216
14:59
 
deirdrelee
 ericstephan: some of the ideas that are coming out of the dqv, about using skos for describing broader/narrower, is something we should talk about
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deirdrelee
 ... issue-216 is the issue we had for feedback (yellow side of model), we have user feedbak as a type of annotation. One of the things that i wanted to do was use the dqv as a way to show feedback.
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deirdrelee
 ... specifically i wanted to have a user provide feedback on rating their usage. what i was trying to do originally was to have a concept, a specific way of thinking about metrics
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deirdrelee
 ... if there is a way we can leverage the dqv and define a definition of something we need, either by defining a new class, or refining dqv:metric using skos
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deirdrelee
 q?
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antoine
 q+
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yaso
 ack antoine
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deirdrelee
 antoine: for the skos idea, don't have much feedback righgt now. depends on outcome of issue 214/215
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deirdrelee
 ... but agree there should be a connection between dqv:metric and duv:rating
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deirdrelee
 ... could be direct or indirect. the duv:rating could be a subclass of dqv:measure, or it could be more indirect
15:03
 
deirdrelee
 ... duv: rating is annotation and body is a measure
15:03
 
yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 ... either it's a quality measure or something that refers to a quality measure, in which case the skos stuff would kick in
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riccardoAlbertoni
 q+
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deirdrelee
 ericstephan: duv:rating the discrete measure is important, could be boolean like/don't like, or could be a rating, e.g. 5-star.....e.g. I love this dataset :)
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riccardoAlbertoni
 q-
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deirdrelee
 antoine: the rating is not always a measure. the outcome of a rating could be a simple string "this dataset is awesome!"
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— deirdrelee enjoing making up ratings :)
15:05
 
deirdrelee
 ... the rating could be an annotation or something else, a string, quality measure, or something else
15:05
 
yaso
 q?
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ericstephan
 wow thank you antoine!
15:06
 
deirdrelee
 Topic: Best Practice Document
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ericstephan
 this has been really really helpful
15:06
 
deirdrelee
 BernadetteLoscio: updating the examples in the document and also in the sensitive data section
15:07
 
deirdrelee
 ... we've resovled issues around data vocabularies section. I'll close these issues and update doucmnet
15:07
 
antoine
 I agree with closing the issues!
15:07
 
deirdrelee
 ... also working on the new section on BP benefits, resulting from F2F discussion
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Caroline
 q+
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deirdrelee
 ... this week we need feedback on the updates on the document and especially on benefits section
15:08
 
antoine
 +1 for sending a message
15:08
 
deirdrelee
 ... i'll send a mail about this
15:08
 
deirdrelee
 ... important to have feedback on whole document
15:08
 
deirdrelee
 ... hope to publish next draft before Christmas
15:08
 
yaso
 ack Caroline
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deirdrelee
 Caroline: Newton is developing stands
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— deirdrelee stands?
15:09
 
— antoine we'll have stamps as we had discussed? Great!
15:09
 
— Caroline stamps!
15:09
 
— deirdrelee cheers
15:10
 
deirdrelee
 BernadetteLoscio: the idea is to associate each best practice with the benefits that you will have if you implement it
15:10
 
deirdrelee
 ... haven't done it for every BP, just a couple for feedback
15:11
 
deirdrelee
 ... this distribution was not made just by ourselves. during the F2F we worked on this collaboratively. now we need to validate this distribution and the benefits
15:11
 
deirdrelee
 Caroline: we created an issue around content negotiation, please take a look and add contnet
15:11
 
— deirdrelee maybe not content negotiation?
15:11
 
yaso
 q?
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deirdrelee
 yaso: I didn't see any mail about content negotiation, suggest sending one to the group
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yaso
 q?
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riccardoAlbertoni
 have a good week end, Bye
15:14
 
yaso
 bye all
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— deirdrelee thanks for chairing yaso!
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