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19:54:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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19:54:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
19:54:59 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:55:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:55:00 <trackbot> Date: 25 November 2015
19:55:05 <kerry> zakim, code
19:55:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', kerry
19:55:13 <kerry> zakim, code?
19:55:13 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW WG Weekly. https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mc96ab6583bd632deef4bf778ff424d78 Or :+1-617-324-0000, Meeting: 642 235 291
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19:57:44 <jtandy> present+ jtandy
19:58:36 <kerry> zakim, make logs public
19:58:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public', kerry
19:58:50 <kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
19:59:12 <kerry> regrets+ Jon Blower
19:59:22 <kerry> regrets+ Andrea Perego
19:59:30 <kerry> regrets+ Lars Svensson
19:59:56 <Payam> Present+ Payam
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20:02:59 <Payam> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/WebEx
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20:03:24 <Linda> present+ Linda
20:03:29 <kerry> present+ kerry
20:03:29 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ DanhLePhuoc
20:04:46 <kerry> regrets+ phila
20:04:54 <kerry> regrets+ ed parsons
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20:05:16 <jtandy> zakim, who is here
20:05:16 <Zakim> jtandy, you need to end that query with '?'
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20:05:21 <jtandy> zakim, who is here?
20:05:21 <Zakim> Present: jtandy, Payam, billroberts, Linda, kerry, DanhLePhuoc
20:05:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see KJanowicz, ChrisLittle, DanhLePhuoc, ahaller2, billroberts, Linda, ClemensPortele, jtandy, Zakim, RRSAgent, Payam, kerry, trackbot
20:05:34 <ChrisLittle> present+ ChrisLittle
20:05:36 <ClemensPortele> present+ ClemensPortele
20:05:41 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
20:05:53 <KJanowicz> present+ KJanowicz
20:06:50 <KJanowicz> q+
20:07:02 <KJanowicz> I can give it a try
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20:08:50 <billroberts> fetches glass of wine - been one of those days
20:08:53 <kerry_> q?
20:09:13 <KJanowicz> yes
20:09:30 <kerry_> scribe: KJanowicz
20:09:43 <jtandy> scribenick: KJanowicz
20:09:47 <kerry_> scribeNick: KJ
20:10:25 <kerry_> http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-sdw-minutes.html
20:10:36 <kerry_> +1
20:10:39 <jtandy> +1 ... (wasn't at the meeting - but they made sense to me)
20:10:39 <Payam> +1
20:10:41 <ahaller2> +1
20:10:42 <Linda> +1
20:10:42 <KJanowicz> +1
20:10:49 <ClemensPortele> +0 (wasn't there)
20:10:49 <ChrisLittle> +1 minutes
20:10:54 <KJanowicz> resolved: Minutes have been approved
20:10:55 <billroberts> +1
20:11:13 <kerry_> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:11:17 <KJanowicz> kerry_ : next item on agenda: patent call
20:11:43 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:12:18 <KJanowicz> next item on the agenda: BP Editors' F2F
20:12:28 <kerry_> topic: BP Editors call
20:13:05 <kerry_> q?
20:13:56 <ChrisLittle> * if lunch Iranian very awesome
20:14:14 <KJanowicz> BP will be written in a tutorial style
20:14:19 <kerry_> +1 to on line help style
20:15:18 <KJanowicz> BP document will crossreference other best practice documents
20:16:03 <KJanowicz> This will create a common document that links to other relevant materials thus making them accessible at a common place.
20:16:13 <KJanowicz> Examples will be included in a second stage
20:16:48 <kerry_> ack KJanowicz
20:17:07 <KJanowicz> kerry_ : Plan was to release first draft on Dec. 10th
20:17:44 <jtandy> (or 9-Dec for those of us in EU and USA)
20:17:45 <ChrisLittle> Q+
20:17:46 <KJanowicz> next meeting is the last one to go over open issues
20:18:02 <KJanowicz> same for the use case document
20:18:06 <kerry_> q?
20:18:11 <kerry_> ack ChrisLittle
20:18:49 <KJanowicz> ChrisLittle: How do we define a quorum in our case?
20:19:07 <kerry_> q?
20:19:17 <KJanowicz> kerry_: key issue is not to exclude anybody
20:19:47 <KJanowicz> We need to check this with the OGC and their procedures
20:19:55 <Linda> q+
20:19:57 <jtandy> ACTION: ChrisLittle to determine the rules for OGC quorum
20:19:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Determine the rules for ogc quorum [on Chris Little - due 2015-12-02].
20:20:48 <Linda> q-
20:20:53 <kerry_> topic: review BP actions
20:21:20 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/94
20:21:22 <ChrisLittle> q-
20:22:23 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/96
20:23:53 <KJanowicz> Linking out to some common sources such as DBpedia, GeoNames, etc. This leads to interesting challenges, e.g., entity resolution.
20:24:10 <KJanowicz> Semantics of links is important but not always clear.
20:24:34 <KJanowicz> Combination of owl:sameAs, seeAlso, and various SKOS links.
20:25:20 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/97
20:25:20 <KJanowicz> First notes will be published by Nov 26th
20:25:30 <kerry_> q+
20:25:41 <jtandy> ack KJanowicz
20:25:45 <jtandy> ack kerry_
20:26:13 <kerry_> ack kerry_
20:26:16 <kerry_> q?
20:26:24 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/98
20:28:31 <kerry_> q?
20:28:35 <KJanowicz> ClemensPortele: Working on list of common formats, looked at BP task, this will need additional text but so far we will consider about 10 formats and make sure to come up with a list of characteristics that are relevant for our group. Table of characteristics was distributed today.
20:29:09 <KJanowicz> ClemensPortele: We already see discussions on the mailinglist but we still need to agree on the direction this is going.
20:31:04 <KJanowicz> The preferred format will depend heavily on your home community (e.g., GML for OGC). Thus we need to link the format overview to the BP and use cases. This will allow us to recommend formats for specific needs and communities.
20:31:27 <kerry_> q?
20:32:00 <KJanowicz> A more meta question, how should we edit this? On the wiki, using github?
20:32:25 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz would recommend to use the W3 wiki.
20:32:51 <KJanowicz> q+
20:33:10 <kerry_> q?
20:33:18 <jtandy> action: jtandy to provide ClemensPortele a list of further attributes required to describe each data format (relates to ACTION 98)
20:33:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Provide clemensportele a list of further attributes required to describe each data format (relates to action 98) [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2015-12-02].
20:33:19 <kerry_> ack KJanowicz
20:33:27 <ChrisLittle> +1 to wiki
20:33:46 <KJanowicz> +1 for wiki
20:33:51 <KJanowicz> q-
20:34:45 <ChrisLittle> Copy and paste, not cut!
20:35:29 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/99
20:35:55 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/100
20:36:37 <ClemensPortele> q+
20:36:51 <kerry_> q?
20:36:53 <jtandy> ack ClemensPortele
20:36:56 <kerry_> ack ClemensPortele
20:37:17 <KJanowicz> ClemensPortele: What is the relationship between actions 100 and 99?
20:37:54 <KJanowicz> answer: data encoding formats versus rdf vocabularies
20:39:01 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz: I think we are already talking about action 101/103
20:39:22 <ClemensPortele> s/99?/98?/
20:40:06 <kerry_> q?
20:40:06 <jtandy> action: jtandy to deconflict actions 98 (clemens and 100 (ed) - they both seem to be about formats
20:40:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Deconflict actions 98 (clemens and 100 (ed) - they both seem to be about formats [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2015-12-02].
20:40:19 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:40:32 <KJanowicz> jtandy, we have the same on 101 and 103
20:40:33 <kerry_> ack ChrisLittle
20:41:37 <billroberts> perhaps, as KJ has just pointed out, this is a result of where we allocated an action to 2 people - the tracker may have issued two identical actions, because only one action per person?
20:41:57 <KJanowicz> @billroberts: yes, this is exactly the issue
20:42:13 <Linda> yes, at least it seems something went wrong with allocating actions.
20:42:23 <kerry_> q?
20:42:34 <ClemensPortele> @billroberts: I am not sure, 98 was created two weeks ago and 100 was created last week
20:43:23 <kerry_> q?
20:44:04 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/101 and http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/103
20:44:07 <KJanowicz> rdf vocabularites (not formats)
20:44:45 <KJanowicz> s/vocabularites/vocabularies
20:44:54 <kerry_> q?
20:45:45 <KJanowicz> billroberts: task for 101/103 will be more than just a list of vocabularies. The real value comes from recommendations.
20:46:15 <KJanowicz> jtandy: we need the recommendations to be durable but vocabularies come and go.
20:47:17 <KJanowicz> jtandy: thus we need a method to inform users about which criteria to use to select a particular vocabulary.
20:47:20 <KJanowicz> +1
20:47:42 <KJanowicz> jtandy: we also need robust mappings
20:48:16 <KJanowicz> billroberts: I agree with this appraoch
20:48:46 <jtandy> s/appraoch/approach/
20:48:48 <kerry_> regrets+ Andreas Harth
20:48:59 <kerry_> regrets+ Rachel Heaven
20:49:06 <KJanowicz> billroberts: value in a crosswalk between different vocabularies
20:49:12 <kerry_> regrets+ Bart van Leeuwen
20:49:23 <kerry_> regrets+ Alejandro Llaves
20:49:56 <kerry_> q?
20:49:59 <Linda> q+
20:50:26 <jtandy> ack Linda
20:50:28 <KJanowicz> kerry_: let us move on to SSN
20:50:41 <KJanowicz> I am okay with what bill said.
20:50:54 <kerry_> q?
20:51:14 <billroberts> Kerry was right. Jeremy talked a lot
20:51:18 <kerry_> topic: SSN kickoff
20:52:00 <KJanowicz> kerry_: SSN editors will be ahaller2, kerry_, DanhLePhuoc, KJanowicz
20:52:12 <KJanowicz> I can speak about the usage
20:52:18 <ChrisLittle> +1 to Bill
20:52:20 <KJanowicz> q+
20:52:30 <kerry_> ack KJanowicz
20:52:44 <kerry_> kJ: Usage of SSN
20:53:02 <kerry_> ....looked at papers using ssn
20:53:15 <kerry_> ............describing sensors, observations and deployments
20:53:22 <kerry_> ...not much linked data
20:53:46 <kerry_> .... 2-3 years IoT is big uptake
20:54:11 <kerry_> ...reference to <missed it>
20:54:25 <kerry_> ... one third develop new ontologies based on SSN
20:54:39 <kerry_> ... sso part is widely used for extension
20:54:55 <kerry_> ...data integration and data infrastrucutre e.g. earthcube
20:55:09 <kerry_> ... accessibility, preservation, interoperability
20:55:22 <kerry_> .... provenance
20:55:53 <kerry_> ... academic use for the sake of ssn .e.g. aligning or ontology design
20:56:04 <kerry_> ...documenting on wiki
20:56:13 <kerry_> q?
20:56:18 <ahaller2> +1 great summary KJanowicz
20:56:19 <KJanowicz> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_usage
20:56:23 <KJanowicz> will complete this later
20:56:34 <ChrisLittle> S/infrastrucutre/infrastructure/
20:57:07 <KJanowicz> I only looked at 10 papers per year so this is rather anecdotal at this stage.
20:57:36 <KJanowicz> kerry_: DUL needs to be discussed, O&M relation, more on location
20:58:01 <KJanowicz> kerry: more on encoding values
20:58:40 <KJanowicz> kerry_: modularization
20:58:49 <KJanowicz> q+
21:00:07 <jtandy> devices and sensors : http://www.w3.org/2015/11/DeviceSensorsCharter.html
21:00:15 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz: important to keep in mind: SSN is the result of a W3C XG so the focus was heavily on experimental work and new methods . This time (for the SDW) we will focus on standardization so we will need to be more conservative.
21:01:13 <jtandy> q+ to suggest a 'vocab' document and a primer for SSN
21:01:16 <KJanowicz> kerry_: more discussion needed on the ontological issues as such and how it relates to the BP documents.
21:02:45 <KJanowicz> kerry_: we will report back to the geosemantics group at OGC (for their meeting in Sydney)
21:03:17 <ChrisLittle> Bye and thank you
21:03:19 <ahaller2> thanks, bye
21:03:19 <billroberts> ok thanks all - bye
21:03:27 <ClemensPortele> bye, thanks
21:03:43 <kerry_> rrsagent draft minutes
21:04:51 <kerry_> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:04:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-minutes.html kerry_
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21:06:00 <kerry_> bye!
21:06:14 <kerry_> rrsagent, make logs public
21:06:21 <kerry_> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:06:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-minutes.html kerry_
21:13:07 <kerry_> zakim, code?
21:13:07 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW WG Weekly. https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mc96ab6583bd632deef4bf778ff424d78 Or :+1-617-324-0000, Meeting: 642 235 291
22:20:57 <kerry_> trackbot, end meeting
22:20:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
22:20:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jtandy, Payam, billroberts, Linda, kerry, DanhLePhuoc, ChrisLittle, ClemensPortele, ahaller2, KJanowicz
22:21:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
22:21:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-minutes.html trackbot
22:21:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
22:21:06 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-actions.rdf :
22:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ChrisLittle to determine the rules for OGC quorum [1]
22:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-irc#T20-19-57
22:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jtandy to provide ClemensPortele a list of further attributes required to describe each data format (relates to ACTION 98) [2]
22:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-irc#T20-33-18
22:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jtandy to deconflict actions 98 (clemens and 100 (ed) - they both seem to be about formats [3]
22:21:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/25-sdw-irc#T20-40-06-1