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16:03:40 <najib> Any advice?
16:03:47 <Behnam> present+
16:03:52 <mostafa> present+
16:04:04 <najib> Present+ (IRC)
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16:04:13 <Behnam> Chair: Shervin
16:04:16 <Behnam> ScribeNick: Behnam
16:04:48 <Behnam> agenda?
16:05:30 <Behnam> Shervin: Let's start the meeting
16:06:13 <Behnam> Meeting: ALReq Weekly Meeting
16:06:36 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
16:07:03 <Shervin> Najib, have you tired Firefox or Safari to use with Webex.
16:07:04 <Shervin> ?
16:07:10 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:07:26 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
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16:07:45 <Behnam> Shervin: Let's start with action items
16:08:41 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:08:41 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:08:42 <najib> tried Safari. Trying Firefox
16:08:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:08:59 <r12a> present+ Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
16:09:03 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:09:03 <Zakim> Present: Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
16:09:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:09:26 <Behnam> Shervin: Still working on ACTION-12
16:10:18 <Shervin> Close Action-17
16:10:19 <trackbot> Closed Action-17.
16:10:59 <Behnam> r12a: action-18 is done
16:11:02 <Shervin> Close Action-18
16:11:02 <trackbot> Closed Action-18.
16:14:02 <Behnam> r12a: Re action-20, now that we have decided to not change the schedule, I'm going to set up the new meeting
16:16:35 <Behnam> Shervin: Waseem cannot be here today, but he mentioned that he will be joining more regularly
16:17:20 <Behnam> Behnam: Re ACTION-22 and ACTION-23, I'm behind on my actions and will get to them soon
16:17:41 <Shervin> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:17:46 <mostafa> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/14
16:18:48 <Behnam> mostafa: Re ACTION-24, started the gdoc document and working on it
16:18:56 <Shervin> Close Action-28
16:18:56 <trackbot> Closed Action-28.
16:20:11 <Shervin> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:20:52 <Shervin> agenda+ Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
16:21:15 <Shervin> agenda+ Drafting status: Character charts (Mostafa, Shervin)
16:21:36 <Shervin> agenda+ Drafting status: Typographical considerations (Najib)
16:21:51 <Behnam> r12a: A Unicode conference is being held in Oman in February (14-16), organized by the German university
16:22:15 <Shervin> take up agendum 1
16:22:19 <Shervin> take up agendum 2
16:22:21 <Shervin> take up agendum 3
16:23:49 <najib> q+
16:24:31 <Behnam> Shervin: Re recruiting: we have two people introduced by Alolita, and one more person from IBM, who worked on the calendar
16:24:49 <r12a> q+
16:24:50 <Shervin> ack najib
16:24:58 <najib> Too busy past week to advance forward on the glossary.
16:24:59 <Behnam> najib, please go ahead
16:25:05 <najib> Sure can give it enough time this week.
16:25:12 <najib> That's it
16:25:13 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:26:56 <Shervin> q+
16:27:16 <Shervin> Thanks, najib.
16:27:47 <Behnam> r12a: About recruiting, let's try to make sure people invited are active, on the meetings, with drafting, etc
16:29:08 <Shervin> ack Shervin
16:29:45 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/#join
16:30:02 <Behnam> Shervin: agree with Richard
16:30:15 <Behnam> ... I try to be clear about the two steps, following up the work of the WG vs being active in the WG
16:31:44 <r12a> q+
16:31:52 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:33:14 <Behnam> agenda?
16:33:23 <Behnam> Topic: Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
16:33:23 <Shervin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit?usp=sharing
16:33:49 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft meeting
16:33:49 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft meeting', Behnam.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:33:55 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:33:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:34:37 <mostafa> q+
16:34:53 <Shervin> ack mostafa
16:35:16 <Behnam> Shervin: looking at the gdoc, it seems like we have to lower the priority for items missing translation
16:35:21 <Behnam> ... what people think about it?
16:35:28 <Behnam> mostafa: +1
16:35:34 <r12a> +1
16:35:49 <najib> +1
16:36:01 <Behnam> ... Let's not spend too much time on the glossary
16:37:25 <najib> I'll add more translations..
16:37:31 <Shervin> ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the editors' draft
16:37:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Process the glossary for the editors' draft [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-12-01].
16:38:47 <Behnam> Shervin: I'll work on a script that converts the table in gdoc to HTML to put on the github repo
16:39:57 <r12a> q+
16:40:17 <mostafa> q+
16:40:32 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:41:30 <Shervin> ack mostafa
16:42:07 <Behnam> mostafa: if anyone needs an extra hand with the automation, I can help
16:42:23 <Shervin> agenda?
16:42:40 <Shervin> take up agendum 4
16:42:48 <Behnam> Shervin: I'll look into the options for moving forward this week and report back next week
16:43:42 <Behnam> mostafa: I haven't done much new work on this
16:44:34 <Shervin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxXVe7wgPtqekAXqMLnNVJjmP8-XK_sgkCsrf3zxPp0/edit
16:44:38 <mostafa> q+
16:45:19 <Behnam> Shervin: the chart does not include digits yet
16:45:25 <r12a> q+
16:45:43 <Behnam> ... question for people: should we add Bidi Control Characters to our charts?
16:45:46 <Shervin> ack mostafa
16:46:13 <Behnam> ... How much details we want to add to this chart?
16:46:51 <mostafa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
16:47:19 <Behnam> mostafa: re the latter question: I created separate tables for the groups of characters
16:48:23 <Behnam> ... and for details, I suggest to have language and joining-behavior of characters in the tables
16:49:26 <r12a> q?
16:49:36 <mostafa> q+
16:50:16 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:50:20 <Behnam> Shervin: I'm going to work on the table and change it to be easily used in the document mostafa has
16:51:12 <Behnam> q+
16:51:27 <Behnam> r12a: +1 to having separate tables in the document per character category/type
16:51:44 <Behnam> ... also separate columns for languages
16:51:50 <mostafa> +1
16:51:53 <Shervin> ack Behnam
16:52:51 <mostafa> q-
16:53:07 <r12a> +1 to use of language tags
16:53:47 <Behnam> Behnam: Let's use language tags in the charts and avoid using terms "Arabic" and "Persian" loosely
16:54:08 <najib> +1
16:54:32 <Behnam> q+
16:55:02 <Behnam> q-
16:55:24 <r12a> q+
16:55:25 <Behnam> Shervin: +1 on having separate columns for languages, making it easier to read the charts
16:56:59 <mostafa> q+
16:57:06 <r12a> q-
16:57:14 <Shervin> ack mostafa
16:59:00 <Behnam> Shervin: mostafa, would you like to maintain the tables manually, or do you want to generate them from CLDR?
17:00:44 <r12a> q+
17:00:49 <Shervin> ack r12a
17:00:52 <Behnam> ... question for everyone: what should we do about characters present in our tables, but not being in CLDR?
17:01:09 <mostafa> q+
17:01:43 <Shervin> ack mostafa
17:07:08 <r12a> q+
17:07:10 <mostafa> q+
17:08:08 <Behnam> Shervin: So, the question is what source we should rely on for the list of characters in the table?
17:08:17 <Shervin> ack r12a
17:08:55 <mostafa> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#character_classes
17:09:25 <Behnam> Behnam: IMO, as long as we have all the characters that we want to talk about, in text layout matters mostly, it shouldn't matter much
17:09:55 <Shervin> q+
17:10:36 <Behnam> r12a: in JLReq work, characters are pointed out for behaving differently in justification, etc
17:10:40 <Shervin> ack mostafa
17:11:50 <Behnam> ... we may not be able to make a decision right now
17:12:29 <Shervin> http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3AARABIC%3A%5D&g=&i=
17:12:31 <Behnam> mostafa: I was thinking about these tables to be used by type designer or software engineers as a reference for what characters to support
17:13:44 <Behnam> Shervin: it's not possible to have these tables work as an exhaustive list of characters for a type designer
17:16:15 <Behnam> ... re r12a's comment, it was not possible for the Japanese document to have an exhaustive list of characters, but we can do so for Arabic script
17:17:23 <Behnam> r12a: The Japanese TF felt the need of having a table for the characters afterward, when working on justification
17:17:27 <mostafa> +1
17:17:29 <mostafa> q+
17:17:33 <Shervin> ack mostafa
17:20:12 <mostafa> +1
17:20:21 <r12a> +1
17:20:41 <Shervin> agenda?
17:20:41 <Behnam> Shervin: anything else on this topic?
17:20:54 <Shervin> take up agendum 5
17:21:02 <najib> q+
17:21:09 <Shervin> Shervin-
17:21:11 <Behnam> Shervin: Let's hear from najib
17:21:13 <Shervin> ack najib
17:21:17 <najib> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IRgcMygoovniN_qL1cjD2WB-FiSyYFKlzEblvJuxRgY/edit?usp=sharing
17:21:21 <Shervin> Please go ahead najib.
17:21:25 <najib> Still drafting it
17:21:33 <najib> Filled an issue about it
17:21:43 <najib> My idea is to talk about origine and evolution of Arabic styles,
17:21:45 <najib> different generic scripts
17:21:54 <najib> and then  fonts in printing and computer.
17:21:56 <najib> The use of fonts and what are the technical constraints.
17:22:03 <najib> and then may be some best practices in choosing fonts styles and sizing.
17:22:10 <najib> what else…
17:22:16 <najib> look for references to put if details stuff from elsewhere.
17:22:22 <najib> That's it
17:22:37 <r12a> q+
17:22:45 <Shervin> ack r12a
17:22:59 <Shervin> q-
17:24:24 <r12a> i'm a little concerned because i don't think we should be writing authoring guidelines
17:24:41 <mostafa> q+
17:24:42 <r12a> it seems like that is Najib's intention
17:24:42 <najib> q+
17:24:46 <Shervin> ack mostafa
17:25:03 <r12a> s/is Najib's intention/is part of Najib's intention/
17:25:21 <Behnam> Shervin: I think we need to cover font size matching and matters like that
17:25:49 <Shervin> ack najib
17:25:55 <r12a> i think the descriptions of the styles is useful background
17:26:02 <najib> That's not my intention. Only some warnings about thing to avoid
17:26:12 <r12a> q=
17:26:17 <r12a> q+
17:26:27 <Shervin> ack r12a
17:27:27 <najib> Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
17:29:35 <Behnam> Shervin: Let's continue the discussion next week so we can have najib on the call
17:29:48 <najib> Yes
17:29:55 <najib> Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
17:30:10 <najib> Important things are to put here. Font size and  related
17:30:37 <najib> please comment ..
17:31:02 <najib> q+, AOB
17:31:14 <najib> q+ for AOB
17:31:21 <Shervin> ack najib
17:31:21 <Zakim> najib, you wanted to discuss AOB
17:31:32 <Behnam> agenda?
17:31:33 <najib> We should continue discussion be email during week.
17:31:51 <Shervin> ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for Arabic script behvior.
17:31:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for arabic script behvior. [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-01].
17:32:18 <Behnam> ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on basic of the Writing Script
17:32:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Send pull-request for topics on basic of the writing script [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-01].
17:32:20 <najib> to keep track of what is are we doing
17:32:34 <najib> s/is are/are+
17:32:36 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:32:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:32:37 <Behnam> Sounds good, najib
17:32:47 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
17:32:47 <Zakim> Present: Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
17:32:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
17:32:52 <mostafa> Thank you and goodbye Najib.
17:32:58 <najib> Bye
17:32:58 <r12a> present+ Najib (IRC)
17:32:59 <Behnam> Just a reminder that it's a long weekend here in the U.S.
17:33:09 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 5
17:33:09 <Zakim> agendum 5, Drafting status: Typographical considerations (Najib), dropped
17:33:13 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 6
17:33:13 <Zakim> I only see 5 items on the agenda
17:33:14 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:33:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:33:16 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 4
17:33:16 <Zakim> agendum 4, Drafting status: Character charts (Mostafa, Shervin), dropped
17:33:17 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 3
17:33:18 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 2
17:33:18 <Zakim> agendum 3, Glossary progress and plan to finalize it, dropped
17:33:18 <Zakim> agendum 2, Status review of action items from previous meeting, dropped
17:33:20 <Shervin> Zakim, drop agendum 1
17:33:20 <Zakim> agendum 1, Status review of action items from previous meeting, dropped
17:33:38 <Shervin> Zakim, please excuse us
17:33:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a, Najib, (IRC)
17:33:38 <Zakim> Zakim has left #alreq
17:33:38 <najib> najib has left #alreq
17:34:04 <Shervin> Richard, I'll leave RSSAgent here. Is it okay?
17:34:17 <r12a> yep, sure
17:35:03 <Shervin> Shervin has left #alreq
17:56:26 <r12a> agenda?
18:13:12 <r12a> rrsagent, bye
18:13:12 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-actions.rdf :
18:13:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the editors' draft [1]
18:13:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T16-37-31
18:13:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for Arabic script behvior. [2]
18:13:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T17-31-51
18:13:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on basic of the Writing Script [3]
18:13:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T17-32-18