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14:53:38 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:53:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:53:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:53:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:53:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:53:43 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2015
14:54:17 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0017.html
14:54:20 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:54:21 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:54:27 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:54:39 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
14:54:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:05 <aphillip> agenda+ Encoding and Encoding Tests
14:56:14 <aphillip> agenda+ WebVTT Status
14:56:31 <aphillip> agenda+ Presentation-API Issue 506 status
14:56:34 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod
14:58:52 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
14:58:53 <aphillip> Present+ Steve
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15:05:16 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:05:49 <aphillip> Present+ JcK
15:05:59 <aphillip> Present fsasaki
15:06:16 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda?
15:06:18 <aphillip> agenda?
15:06:53 <aphillip> agenda+ encoding spec
15:07:24 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:08:28 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:09:03 <aphillip> action-455?
15:09:03 <trackbot> action-455 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to fantasai saying we'll send style info along by next week -- due 2015-07-30 -- CLOSED
15:09:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/455
15:09:06 <fsasaki> present+ felix(for_first_30_minutes)
15:09:46 <aphillip> action-445?
15:09:46 <trackbot> action-445 -- Addison Phillips to Check out using a subsetting web font for example chars -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN
15:09:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/445
15:10:00 <aphillip> close action-445
15:10:00 <trackbot> Closed action-445.
15:12:13 <aphillip> action-461?
15:12:13 <trackbot> action-461 -- Richard Ishida to Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not -- due 2015-09-10 -- OPEN
15:12:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/461
15:12:36 <aphillip> action-476?
15:12:36 <trackbot> action-476 -- Addison Phillips to Write back to media capture saying that we'll continue to work on problem but they can publish in the meantime -- due 2015-10-22 -- OPEN
15:12:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/476
15:12:40 <aphillip> close action-476
15:12:40 <trackbot> Closed action-476.
15:13:07 <aphillip> close action-480
15:13:07 <trackbot> Closed action-480.
15:13:21 <aphillip> close action-481
15:13:21 <trackbot> Closed action-481.
15:13:31 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:13:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:24 <aphillip> Topic: Radar and Project Review
15:14:35 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:16:09 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
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15:19:18 <aphillip> split out Tibetan LR
15:20:21 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
15:20:52 <aphillip> richard: rewritten that document
15:20:52 <aphillip> ... waiting for a chinese translation
15:20:55 <aphillip> ... can do fwpd then
15:21:51 <aphillip> ruchard: ruby
15:22:08 <aphillip> ... there's some discussion between implementers and anne vk
15:22:16 <aphillip> ... implementation of items such as rb and rbc
15:22:21 <aphillip> ... vary across browsers
15:22:27 <aphillip> ... whatwg didn't help that much
15:22:32 <aphillip> ... convergence on html5 definition
15:22:48 <aphillip> ... sufficient convergence for webvtt?
15:22:53 <aphillip> richard: bidi
15:23:04 <aphillip> ... continuing to talk to implementers about @dir isolation
15:23:11 <aphillip> ... talked to msft
15:23:25 <aphillip> ... talked to miles from safari
15:23:29 <aphillip> ... koji says chrome will implement if tests
15:23:40 <aphillip> ... just submitted some tests to  the ttwf suite
15:23:47 <aphillip> ... anyone to review?
15:23:58 <aphillip> ... key item is that bidi expert needed to review
15:24:22 <aphillip> addison: was that your email to winter?
15:24:25 <aphillip> richard: yes
15:24:42 <aphillip> ... some tests for rli control and its friends
15:25:13 <aphillip> ... anyyone could do it
15:25:24 <aphillip> ... look up how reviews are done?
15:26:25 <aphillip> IDN
15:26:33 <aphillip> richard: wiating for david to suggest repo name
15:26:51 <aphillip> action: richard: follow up with David S. to get name for repo and set up said repo
15:26:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-482 - Follow up with david s. to get name for repo and set up said repo [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-26].
15:27:07 <aphillip> agenda?
15:27:22 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:27:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Encoding and Encoding Tests" taken up [from aphillip]
15:28:19 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0014.html
15:28:41 <aphillip> richard: created a whole bunch more tests
15:28:45 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte
15:28:55 <aphillip> richard: see above
15:29:05 <aphillip> ... big5, euc-jp, euc-kr
15:29:08 <aphillip> ... results
15:29:29 <aphillip> ... two more to do
15:29:35 <aphillip> ... ISO-2022
15:30:00 <aphillip> ... and gb18030
15:30:43 <aphillip> ... 18030 has a gbk flag
15:31:12 <aphillip> ... just write two tests??
15:31:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:32:04 <aphillip> richard: have tests for encoding/decoding that test the repertoires
15:32:29 <aphillip> ... what became clear to me was "big5" wasn't what was formally defined
15:32:45 <aphillip> ... only those codepoints handled by web browsers
15:33:59 <aphillip> ... are some big differences
15:34:05 <aphillip> ... japanese euc
15:34:19 <aphillip> ... can only encode half of the characters you can decode
15:34:28 <aphillip> jis 0208 and jis 0212
15:35:24 <aphillip> ... a "good first step" to get browsers doing the same thing
15:39:56 <aphillip> richard: need tests to tests for what happens when things go wrong
15:44:31 <aphillip> jck: kermit did this awhile ago... doyou know frank dacruz
15:47:00 <aphillip> agenda?
15:48:18 <aphillip> talk about encoding spec in two weeks
15:48:31 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:48:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WebVTT Status" taken up [from aphillip]
15:48:50 <aphillip> richard: went through the issues
15:48:56 <aphillip> ... at tpac with simon
15:48:57 <aphillip> ... and again this week
15:49:00 <aphillip> ... here's the link
15:49:04 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/openissues/#webvtt1
15:49:48 <aphillip> richard: pulled in some (t) issues that they came up with
15:49:48 <aphillip> ... and the (c) issues I think we can close
15:50:29 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
15:50:34 <aphillip> action: addison: review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied
15:50:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-483 - Review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-11-26].
15:51:57 <aphillip> richard: discussion of ruby model incomplete
15:52:00 <aphillip> ... rb wanted?
15:52:09 <aphillip> ... simon mentioned that whatwg doesn't have it
15:52:29 <aphillip> ... had a look and don't think it's an issue for rb
15:52:50 <aphillip> ... understand not doing rtc or rbrb or rbrtrbrt model
15:53:03 <aphillip> addison: I agree with pushing back
15:53:30 <aphillip> agenda?
15:54:03 <aphillip> agenda?
15:55:02 <r12a> TOPIC: presentation-api
15:55:05 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/presentation-api/issues/218
15:55:49 <aphillip> richard: some concern because different encodings
15:55:53 <aphillip> ... might look weird
15:56:11 <aphillip> ... problem might be ideographic characters across languages
15:56:26 <aphillip> ... talked last week, wrote back
15:56:28 <aphillip> ... not ideal presentation
15:56:37 <aphillip> ... associate language with content when sent
15:56:46 <aphillip> ... and that can be used to present
15:56:58 <aphillip> richard: another person said use accept-language
15:57:10 <aphillip> ... but that's really just for saying what you prefer
15:57:22 <aphillip> ... not a mechanism for addressing font selection and such
15:57:29 <aphillip> ... wrong tool for the job
16:00:56 <aphillip> addison: it's a lot more work to do language negotation using a-l and such
16:01:14 <aphillip> ... when what we're really doing is allowing a device to send the language for a given string
16:01:19 <aphillip> ... so that it can be displayed as intended
16:01:24 <aphillip> ... that's really much simpler
16:01:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:02:24 <aphillip> agenda?
16:02:40 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:02:41 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CharMod" taken up [from aphillip]
16:03:38 <aphillip> addison: closed almost all open issues
16:03:40 <aphillip> ... take a look
16:03:45 <aphillip> topic: AOB?
16:05:05 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:05:08 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:05:08 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steve, JcK, felix(for_first_30_minutes)
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16:05:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:05:38 <r12a> present+ koji
16:05:45 <r12a> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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