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14:47:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:47:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:47:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:47:35 <trackbot> Date: 18 November 2015
14:47:46 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
14:48:06 <allanj> rrsabent, make minutes
14:48:16 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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14:48:52 <allanj> chair: Jim and Andrew
14:49:00 <allanj> present+ Jim
14:53:50 <allanj> regrets: Erich, Wayne, JonA
14:54:24 <allanj> Agenda+ meeting next week cancelled
14:54:31 <allanj> Agenda+ walk through Low Vision User Requirements prose.
14:54:39 <allanj> agenda?
14:55:14 <allanj> close item 2
14:55:20 <allanj> close item 3
15:22:48 <shawn> agenda?
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15:33:13 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:33:13 <Zakim> Present: jim, Shawn, AWK, Wayne, Laura
15:33:18 <shawn> Present:
15:33:22 <AWK> +AWK
15:33:28 <shawn> present+ Shawn
15:33:31 <shawn> present+ Jim
15:33:35 <laura> present+ Laura
15:33:38 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:33:38 <Zakim> Present: AWK, Shawn, Jim, Laura
15:33:52 <allanj> agenda:
15:33:59 <allanj> agenda?
15:34:30 <AWK> regrets+ Wayne, Erich
15:35:00 <AWK> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:35:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-lvtf-minutes.html AWK
15:37:12 <allanj> scribe: allanj
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15:37:52 <allanj> RESOLUTION: Meeting on 25 Nov 2015 cancelled
15:38:02 <allanj> close item 4
15:38:13 <allanj> close item 5
15:38:28 <allanj> topic: Low Visions User Requirements
15:38:37 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html
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15:41:26 <shawn> in GitHub - fork, edit, then pull request
15:41:42 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#luminance-and-color
15:42:27 <allanj> shawn: wants to reorg, to match categories in the overview.
15:42:48 <allanj> jim: need brief into to luminance
15:43:31 <ChuckOp> FYI, I just joined the conf call.  The meeting password in the email wasn't accepted.  Had to have WebEx call me instead.
15:43:38 <allanj> shawn: do we have an overall overview and/or section overview.
15:43:58 <allanj> ... need to decide at some time
15:44:09 <shawn> ... but can just try one and see
15:44:15 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:44:15 <Zakim> Present: AWK, Shawn, Jim, Laura
15:44:20 <allanj> laura: either could work
15:44:23 <shawn> present+ Katie
15:44:35 <ChuckOp> +ChuckOp
15:44:41 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:44:41 <Zakim> Present: AWK, Shawn, Jim, Laura, Katie, ChuckOp
15:46:12 <allanj> chuck: definition or link to photophobia?
15:46:58 <allanj> awk: we will use lots of words that are unfamiliar. should link to external resources. would need to maintain the links
15:47:06 <Ryladog> q+
15:47:17 <allanj> ... trying to get away from medical.
15:47:41 <allanj> katie: WHO has good defs. will look for link
15:48:54 <allanj> jim: should we link to each instance of TAdER
15:50:00 <shawn> http://www.tader.info/display.html
15:50:00 <allanj> http://www.tader.info
15:50:53 <allanj> katie: are user requirements posed as success criteria
15:51:26 <allanj> shawn: focus on requirements, then craft success criteria in the future. focus on the requirements
15:52:33 <allanj> shawn: hardware vs user agent vs os
15:53:23 <allanj> jim: a note calling out which apply to which requirement?
15:53:44 <allanj> shawn: would be good to have in notes so we can reference as needed.
15:54:20 <allanj> ... how people manage luminance
15:55:04 <allanj> jim: +1 to adding hardware, UA, OS in the notes for each requirement
15:55:42 <allanj> action: Jim to adding hardware, UA, OS in the notes for each requirement, withl working group
15:55:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Adding hardware, ua, os in the notes for each requirement, withl working group [on Jim Allan - due 2015-11-25].
15:55:50 <allanj> s/withl/with
15:58:00 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/LVTF_Documents#Scope says "Minor mention of hardware aspects (like turning down screen brightness) and OS aspects (like high contrast mode)"
15:58:11 <allanj> awk: reviewing hardware information, thought we didn't want to do that. it would be another layer. thought before we decided it would be too long and out of date quickly.
15:58:50 <allanj> ... if we try and be comprehensive it will be painful.
15:59:39 <allanj> jim: something simple as platform, AT, OS, author, UA
16:00:01 <allanj> awk: different for each platform, UA, etc. gets complex.
16:00:37 <allanj> ... these are the problems users are having...these can be solved in a variety of ways...author, UA, AT stuff.
16:00:57 <Ryladog> WHO does not have the word: photophobia. However the AMA Glossary of Medical Terms: http://file.lacounty.gov/dmh/cms1_159358.pdf does, as well as U.S. National Library of Medicine at: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/encyclopedia.html
16:01:05 <allanj> ... until we get further along may get complicated.
16:01:30 <allanj> awk: perhaps do a short section as a sample
16:02:54 <allanj> RESOLUTION: use Font section as sample for platform, OS, author, AT, UA
16:03:00 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
16:03:48 <allanj> topic: discussion of def of med terms
16:04:02 <allanj> katie: who not as comprehensive.
16:04:08 <shawn> [ prefers international rather than US if possible ]
16:04:22 <allanj> ... NIH seems better
16:04:58 <allanj> katie: +1 international
16:05:15 <allanj> jim: language, terminology difference
16:06:02 <AWK> also this: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/disability/pdfs/ac.81-b4.pdf
16:06:07 <allanj> shawn: can use what we want.
16:07:24 <Ryladog> International Classification of Functioning, Disability and Health this is the name  of the link  Andrew provided
16:08:16 <allanj> katie: add NIH and UNstats to references.
16:10:21 <allanj> Topic: requirements doc
16:10:50 <allanj> jim: if there are other groups working on same topics, it should be noted.
16:15:24 <allanj> jim: leading mentioned in tracking and spacing and reading.
16:15:33 <allanj> shawn: a cross reference
16:20:51 <allanj> jim: reference section:
16:21:05 <allanj> s/section:/section?
16:21:19 <allanj> awk & shawn: goes here.
16:21:54 <allanj> jim: what goes in it?
16:22:53 <allanj> action: jim to create reference section add NIH and UN documents
16:22:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Create reference section add nih and un documents [on Jim Allan - due 2015-11-25].
16:24:10 <allanj> jim: appendix?
16:25:01 <allanj> awk: appendix is to be mapping user needs to visual conditions
16:27:09 <allanj> chuck: capitalization - writing all caps instead of text styling markup. with styling control of presentation is in hands of author or user. should point this out
16:28:05 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:29:24 <laura> Bye
16:30:57 <allanj> regrets+ Alan
16:31:04 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:31:11 <allanj> zakim, please part
16:31:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AWK, Shawn, Jim, Laura, Katie, ChuckOp, Haritos-Shea
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16:31:30 <AWK> trackbot, end meeting
16:31:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:31:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:31:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:31:39 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:31:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jim to adding hardware, UA, OS in the notes for each requirement, withl working group [1]
16:31:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-lvtf-irc#T15-55-42
16:31:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to create reference section add NIH and UN documents [2]
16:31:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/18-lvtf-irc#T16-22-53