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14:58:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:58:05 <trackbot> Date: 12 November 2015
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15:03:46 <nigel> Present: nigel
15:03:49 <nigel> Chair: nigel
15:03:54 <nigel> scribe: nigel
15:04:03 <plh> present+ plh
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15:07:16 <nigel> Topic: This meeting
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15:08:33 <nigel> nigel: I've put the pulse pages from git onto the agenda in lieu of the old activity summaries, since tracker can't any longer provide a useful agenda.
15:08:44 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/board/
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15:08:55 <dae> present+dae
15:09:25 <nigel> plh: This contains issues and pull requests for all of the repos in web performance.
15:09:34 <nigel> ... I can make one of those for TTWG if you would like it.
15:09:49 <nigel> nigel: Yes please?
15:10:19 <nigel> Action: plh Create board for TTWG similar to that for webperf
15:10:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-449 - Create board for ttwg similar to that for webperf [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2015-11-19].
15:10:29 <nigel> s/present+dae/present+ dae
15:11:39 <nigel> Present+ Frans
15:12:34 <nigel> nigel: Any requests for things to discuss today?
15:13:22 <nigel> pal: Can we review two issues marked for Review for IMSC 1? Based on the TPAC discussion.
15:13:29 <nigel> nigel: yes!
15:14:02 <nigel> pal: I'd also like to discuss next steps on IMSC 1. Two implementors have mentioned that
15:14:21 <nigel> ... the ED has had a lot of good explanatory text added so it would be good to publish
15:14:42 <nigel> ... a heartbeat or another CR, to get that to be the version that is on /TR. Can we figure out
15:14:52 <nigel> ... a timeline and a process? I'll propose the end of November.
15:15:08 <nigel> Topic: Action Items
15:15:30 <nigel> action-425?
15:15:30 <trackbot> action-425 -- Thierry Michel to Send a prompt/thank you to the potential test result contributors for imsc. -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN
15:15:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/425
15:15:54 <nigel> tmichel: That was done, and then I updated the implementation report and a couple of
15:16:02 <nigel> ... days ago I've tidied it a bit more.
15:16:07 <nigel> nigel: I restyled it earlier today.
15:16:35 <nigel> pal: I was going to send another implementor but I haven't heard back so we should
15:16:39 <nigel> ... close this action for now.
15:16:46 <nigel> close action-425
15:16:46 <trackbot> Closed action-425.
15:16:51 <nigel> nigel: Thank you Thierry!
15:17:00 <nigel> action-429?
15:17:00 <trackbot> action-429 -- Mike Dolan to Draft a wg note for the profile short name registry and ttml media type registration -- due 2015-10-08 -- OPEN
15:17:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/429
15:17:28 <nigel> mike: No progress to report so far.
15:18:09 <nigel> nigel: I think it would be good to create a github repo for the note.
15:18:16 <nigel> mike: I was going to raise that too.
15:18:20 <nigel> plh: You need a name.
15:18:27 <nigel> ... How should I call it?
15:18:45 <plh> tt-profile-registry
15:18:51 <nigel> mike: Sounds right
15:18:55 <nigel> nigel: All happy with that?
15:19:06 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry
15:19:07 <nigel> plh: I've made it!
15:20:43 <nigel> action-442?
15:20:43 <trackbot> action-442 -- Nigel Megitt to Add an issue to ttml2 for ensuring plain text accessibility -- due 2015-11-05 -- OPEN
15:20:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/442
15:20:49 <nigel> nigel: Nothing to report so far on this.
15:21:02 <nigel> action-444?
15:21:02 <trackbot> action-444 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Look at writing a script to create github issues from tracker issues. -- due 2015-11-05 -- OPEN
15:21:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/444
15:21:17 <nigel> nigel: I'm certain that plh has done this!
15:21:23 <nigel> close action-444
15:21:23 <trackbot> Closed action-444.
15:21:27 <nigel> nigel: Thank you Philippe!
15:21:40 <nigel> action-446?
15:21:40 <trackbot> action-446 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Go through every feature and make sure that they take into account any dependent features. -- due 2015-11-06 -- OPEN
15:21:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/446
15:21:55 <nigel> pal: Still in process.
15:22:10 <nigel> pal: I'm going to enter this as an issue on github
15:22:13 <nigel> nigel: Good plan.
15:23:59 <nigel> nigel: There are two ways to note tasks in github:
15:24:04 <nigel> ... 1. Add a 'task' label.
15:24:24 <nigel> ... 2. Add to the description a tick box markdown, like "* [ ] Do this task"
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15:25:18 <nigel> nigel: I'm happy for this to be raised as an issue for tracking purpose.
15:25:27 <nigel> pal: Okay I'll raise it on github and let's see how that goes.
15:25:54 <nigel> nigel: In the past I've used both mechanisms - the label for high level actions and the tickboxes for subtasks.
15:25:59 <nigel> pal: I like that idea so I'll do that.
15:26:17 <nigel> action-448?
15:26:17 <trackbot> action-448 -- Nigel Megitt to Put timing diagrams somewhere they can be reviews -- due 2015-11-06 -- OPEN
15:26:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/448
15:26:23 <nigel> nigel: I still need to do this.
15:26:43 <nigel> ... I will try to do that as a PR on TTML2, to see how that process works.
15:27:42 <nigel> nigel: If we move to github issues for actions it will be hard for me to pull out the actions
15:28:01 <nigel> ... list - plh, is there a way to filter issues labelled as 'task' for example in the board?
15:29:00 <nigel> Topic: IMSC
15:29:27 <nigel> pal: On github there are 2 issues marked as 'review':
15:29:48 <nigel> ... They are #68 and #69.
15:29:51 <nigel> nigel: Also #81.
15:30:05 <nigel> pal: Yes, it might be helpful to have Glenn for that.
15:30:18 <nigel> pal: #68 and #69 were done before the move to github so there's no PR.
15:30:25 <nigel> ... but there are changesets.
15:30:59 <nigel> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/commit/c7eefbe6831c185fa92ae395b31181a601634152
15:31:20 <nigel> pal: There's an action on Glenn to provide a list of simple and complex scripts.
15:31:25 <nigel> ... I've made a start but it may not be complete.
15:31:43 <nigel> nigel: Do we need Glenn to complete that action before we can close this?
15:32:00 <nigel> pal: I've specified it conservatively as 'if it is not simple then it's complex' and listed the
15:32:03 <nigel> ... simple scripts.
15:32:45 <nigel> ... Being Latin, Hebrew, Cyrillic and Greek.
15:33:04 <nigel> nigel: There are a small number of variant glyphs in Hebrew.
15:33:17 <nigel> pal: My understanding is that it's simple enough to consider as simple.
15:33:34 <nigel> pal: It would be good to have Glenn's comprehensive pass at this before we publish the
15:33:37 <nigel> ... next iteration.
15:33:50 <nigel> nigel: So we do need that before we close the issue.
15:34:12 <pal> https://rawgit.com/w3c/imsc1/master/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
15:35:37 <nigel> pal: This has the changes in it. It's linked from the imsc main page on github.
15:38:02 <nigel> pal: Section 9.5 defines 'glyph', adds a Note, and the table has two performance values
15:38:14 <nigel> nigel: The words 'otherwise' aren't easy to understand - it's not clear what they relate to.
15:38:34 <nigel> pal: Okay I'll look at ways to address that.
15:38:46 <nigel> nigel: You could write out all the words, or maybe there's a way to format it so it's clear.
15:39:33 <nigel> pal: And the list of scripts is in Appendix H.
15:40:33 <nigel> nigel: I might propose a tweak to the wording in H - leave it for now though.
15:41:35 <nigel> nigel: Can we close the issues for now and I'll deal with the editorial points in a next pass.
15:41:40 <nigel> s/s./s?
15:42:41 <nigel> nigel: I think the editorial points are important here for understanding.
15:42:50 <nigel> ... However I agree that the substantive points are dealt with.
15:44:00 <nigel> pal: If you're not happy please propose alternate text on #68 and #69.
15:44:04 <nigel> nigel: Okay I will!
15:44:25 <nigel> nigel: Should we look at #81?
15:44:33 <nigel> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/81
15:45:41 <nigel> pal: Glenn isn't happy that cellResolution cannot be specified on root. This goes back to CFF-TT.
15:46:22 <nigel> pal: My proposal is not to fix this, unless there's a very strong reason to. It looks like
15:46:32 <nigel> ... it's just for elegance or symmetry, but is not a requirement.
15:46:59 <nigel> nigel: We should also ask what is the implication of permitting ttp:cellResolution?
15:47:30 <nigel> pal: Well this isn't broken so we should resist any changes that would impact implementors.
15:47:43 <nigel> ... There's nothing that needs to be done that cannot be done unless this change is made.
15:48:22 <nigel> nigel: Please could you summarise that position on the issue?
15:48:26 <nigel> pal: Yes I will do that.
15:49:13 <nigel> nigel: The last thing to cover is a new CR version of IMSC1.
15:49:58 <nigel> pal: Yes.
15:50:09 <nigel> nigel: We have to resolve the remaining issues that need to be resolved and update
15:50:13 <nigel> ... the dates in the SOTD.
15:50:19 <nigel> pal: I think we can do that in the next 2 weeks.
15:51:10 <nigel> tmichel: We make a snapshot and request another CR.
15:51:31 <nigel> nigel: So we need a resolution based on a particular snapshot.
15:51:49 <nigel> pal: So we can set a target for a spec that has all issues resolved...?
15:52:58 <nigel> nigel: Yes, then when we have done that then we can prepare a snapshot with an updated
15:53:04 <nigel> ... SOTD and CR exit criteria.
15:53:18 <nigel> pal: I need to prepare a list of changes and then we can review for how substantive they are.
15:53:42 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#substantive-change
15:54:14 <nigel> pal: I will focus on that. New features and conformance changes.
15:54:53 <nigel> nigel: There are quite a few issues right now - what's your plan?
15:55:09 <nigel> pal: My intent is to resolve them all so that we have a clean slate. Either fix, wontfix, or defer to IMSC 2.
15:55:22 <nigel> ... Maybe next week I can put together a proposed plan.
15:56:00 <nigel> pal: I'm going to remove the "for review" label on it that made me reconsider it so I need to go back to him and figure that one out.
15:57:26 <nigel> Topic: Unicode liaison
15:57:34 <nigel> nigel: Our ticket on Unicode has been updated:
15:57:39 <nigel> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
15:58:06 <nigel> nigel: It has been moved from milestone 29 to "upcoming". I don't know what that means!
15:59:08 <nigel> nigel: I think we have no more topics for today, so let's close the meeting 2 minutes early!
15:59:17 <nigel> ... Thanks everyone [adjourns meeting]
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16:59:10 <nigel> Regrets+ andreas
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