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16:03:56 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:03:56 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:03:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Shervin, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:04:05 <r12a> present+
16:04:08 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:04:08 <Zakim> Present: r12a
16:04:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Shervin, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:04:34 <Behnam> present- Shervin
16:04:39 <Behnam> present?
16:04:50 <Behnam> Zakim, who's here?
16:04:50 <Zakim> Present: r12a
16:04:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:04:57 <Behnam> present+
16:05:06 <Behnam> Zakim, who's here?
16:05:06 <Zakim> Present: r12a, Behnam
16:05:07 <mostafa> present+
16:05:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:05:15 <Behnam> present+ najib
16:05:30 <najib> Only on IRC
16:06:11 <najib> Still working with my fallback computer
16:06:15 <Behnam> najib, anything we can do to get you on the webex call?
16:06:58 <najib> My UA is not up to date for Webex call.
16:07:28 <r12a> present- najib
16:07:36 <r12a> present+ najib(IRC)
16:07:44 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:07:44 <Zakim> Present: r12a, Behnam, mostafa, najib(IRC)
16:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:07:56 <r12a> present+ Waseem
16:07:58 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:07:58 <Zakim> Present: r12a, Behnam, mostafa, najib(IRC), Waseem
16:07:59 <Behnam> najib, can you dial in, using Skype or something?
16:08:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, mostafa, Behnam, najib, trackbot
16:09:07 <najib> I can try. Phone number?
16:09:28 <Behnam> najib, this is the US number: +1-617-324-0000
16:09:35 <Behnam> Meeting number: 646 190 132
16:10:20 <r12a> najib, can you use your mobile device?
16:10:39 <najib> yes
16:13:27 <Behnam> najib, are you trying calling on your phone?
16:13:28 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/WebExFAQ#Can_participants_use_callback.3F
16:14:27 <najib> trying callback
16:16:43 <najib> please go ahead...
16:17:23 <Behnam> scribenick: mostafa
16:17:27 <Behnam> scribenick?
16:17:46 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft
16:17:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft', Behnam.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:17:55 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:17:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:18:13 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:18:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:18:23 <Behnam> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:18:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:18:58 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:19:26 <Behnam> RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
16:20:03 <Behnam> Zakim: this is ALReq 7th Weekly Meeting, 10 November 2015
16:20:30 <Behnam> Zakim, this is ALReq 7th Weekly Meeting, 10 November 2015
16:20:30 <Zakim> got it, Behnam
16:20:39 <Behnam> zakim, chair: Behnam
16:20:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'chair: Behnam', Behnam
16:20:52 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
16:20:53 <Behnam> agenda?
16:21:06 <r12a> Chair: Behnam
16:21:23 <r12a> Meeting: Arabic Layout TF
16:21:41 <Behnam> agenda: Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:21:44 <Behnam> agenda?
16:22:06 <Behnam> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-alreq-admin/2015OctDec/0024.html
16:22:11 <Behnam> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:22:18 <Behnam> agenda+ Recruiting Status
16:22:22 <Behnam> agenda+ Glossary status
16:22:27 <Behnam> agenda+ List of references
16:22:31 <Behnam> agenda+ Drafting status
16:22:36 <Behnam> agenda+ Possibility of rescheduling weekly meetings (Behnam)
16:22:38 <Behnam> agenda?
16:22:48 <Behnam> Topic: Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:23:10 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
16:26:12 <Behnam> actions?
16:26:24 <r12a> close action-19
16:26:24 <trackbot> Closed action-19.
16:27:36 <mostafa> Behnam: Action #19 regarding adding a GitHub pages branch in the Git repo is done.
16:28:33 <mostafa> Richard: Action #20 (setting up a new call information for next week) is still ongoing and will probably be done by next week.
16:29:55 <Behnam> najib: webex disconnects with "no answer" every time
16:30:11 <Behnam> agenda?
16:30:20 <Behnam> Topic: Recruiting Status
16:30:41 <najib> I pressed 1 as indicated and returned to the voice each time.
16:30:58 <mostafa> Behnam: We have one new memmber which could not be on today’s call: Khaled Hossni from Busina.
16:31:06 <najib> Please forget and go ahead.
16:31:12 <mostafa> ... He has been working on open source and typography projects.
16:31:28 <mostafa> ... Hopefully we will have him in the next week’s meeting.
16:31:52 <Behnam> Topic: Glossary status
16:32:07 <mostafa> s/Busina/Busnia/
16:32:35 <Behnam> s/Busnia/Egypt/
16:33:29 <mostafa> Mostafa: I haven’t got around to adding terms to the glossary, but I found some books for terms that are missing Persian translations.
16:33:36 <Behnam> Btw, presentation slides are posted here: https://github.com/w3c/alreq/tree/gh-pages/misc/presentations
16:33:36 <najib> q+
16:33:58 <Behnam> najib, please go ahead
16:34:04 <mostafa> ... I will proably be able to use them to add some Persian translations during this week.
16:34:10 <najib> Working on the glossary.
16:34:35 <najib> Take to much time to have complete.
16:34:44 <najib> working progressively.
16:35:03 <najib> The sheet is not easy.
16:35:12 <najib> That's it.
16:35:36 <Behnam> najib, thanks
16:35:44 <Behnam> agenda?
16:35:47 <najib> s/to much//
16:36:19 <Behnam> Topic: List of references
16:40:01 <mostafa> Mostafa: What is the best thing to do about books published here in Iran that are not digitally available? Should I send extra copies for other memebers? I scanning a few pages of them OK?
16:40:24 <Behnam> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7kn9sy9tuve0s9/ALReq_Refs_List.md?dl=0
16:40:57 <mostafa> Behnam: Not every team member has to have access to these references. You can go ahead and use them as references. In cases when it is necessary the one that has the reference can scan a few pages and send them privately for others.
16:41:56 <mostafa> ... Wasseem, could you find a new resources?
16:42:49 <mostafa> Wasseem: Yeah, I searched for more resources and will have something to share in the next call.
16:42:57 <Behnam> action: Wassim to find references for Arabic lang, from Syria and the region
16:42:57 <trackbot> Error finding 'Wassim'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
16:43:16 <Behnam> action: Waseem to find references for Arabic lang, from Syria and the region
16:43:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Find references for arabic lang, from syria and the region [on Waseem Daoud - due 2015-11-17].
16:44:30 <Behnam> action: Behnam to add his references to the Ref List
16:44:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Add his references to the ref list [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
16:44:34 <Behnam> agenda?
16:45:02 <Behnam> Topic: Drafting status
16:45:16 <r12a> Topic: Drafting status
16:46:22 <mostafa> Behnam: I myself have to look for more resources and add them to the list.
16:46:54 <r12a> q+
16:47:04 <r12a> ack naj
16:47:16 <najib> q-
16:47:51 <mostafa> Mostafa: Last week we had a first draft of the “Characters” section. There is a GitHub issue for that now. Please go ahead and add suggestions for improvements. I would happy to implement suggestions.
16:48:21 <mostafa> ... In the meantime, I can pick another topic and start an initial draft for that.
16:48:37 <Behnam> action: Behnam to write up a section for languages/locales in Introductions chapter
16:48:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Write up a section for languages/locales in introductions chapter [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
16:48:40 <najib> Q+
16:49:00 <Behnam> ack r12a
16:49:21 <mostafa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
16:49:22 <Behnam> Draft for Characters in Use: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
16:49:56 <Behnam> najib, please go ahead
16:50:03 <mostafa> Behnam: The topic of languages to support have come up before. I’m working on an introductory section that talks about that and other sections like “Characters” can refer to that.
16:50:05 <najib> May action: font-and-typography
16:50:13 <najib> Added some updates
16:50:26 <mostafa> ... This will be sent over as a PR on the GitHub repo.
16:50:38 <najib> It is yet a rough draft. Try to enhance it with quotations, references and more example.
16:50:48 <najib> May be all is not relevant to this section of the document (font-and-typography).
16:50:56 <najib> Please read and tell me what you think.
16:51:06 <r12a> link, najib?
16:51:28 <najib> http://www.w3c.org.ma/Tests/Alreq/Font-and-Typographical-considerations.html
16:51:50 <najib> speaking to book publishers to grab feedbacks.
16:51:58 <najib> That's it.
16:52:57 <mostafa> Richard: A few weeks ago I found a few web pages about font styles and suggested. From this draft seems like they have been taken into consideration.
16:52:58 <najib> Also Pinging  an expert in typography and Arabic styles from Tunisia, but didn't yes receive an answer.
16:54:34 <najib> That's all.
16:54:48 <mostafa> Behnam: In my opinion, these examples and notes are good topics, but we need to start covering more generic matters. These are too detail.
16:54:54 <najib> s/yes/yet/
16:55:34 <mostafa> ... We mentioned covering general styles like Nastaliq, Kufi, and Naskh.
16:55:41 <Behnam> najib: I like it that you have pointed out these cases
16:55:47 <mostafa> Richard: That’s what I was talking about.
16:56:07 <Behnam> najib: I think we also need to cover the major styles
16:56:25 <najib> I am aware we should be more general and cover more topics.
16:56:58 <Behnam> najib: sounds good
16:56:59 <r12a> najib, are you planning to do that?
16:57:02 <Behnam> agenda?
16:57:07 <najib> Yes
16:57:12 <Behnam> q?
16:57:20 <najib> q-
16:57:28 <mostafa> q+
16:57:36 <Behnam> ack: mostafa
16:58:28 <mostafa> Mostafa: As I said, I am ready to pick another topic. Which is good?
16:59:46 <mostafa> Behnam: I looked at the characters section and I was interested in having an explanation of how the characters are represented.
17:00:14 <mostafa> ... Like what you mentioned a few meetings before, about overlap between joining glyphs that can lead to a problem.
17:00:48 <r12a> q+
17:00:51 <mostafa> ... I believe we have to put images in this chapter to explain how joining and letters work togeher.
17:02:38 <mostafa> ... And then we have to explain differences between isolated and joined forms.
17:03:04 <mostafa> Richard: Mostafa have already did some work on these topics, and these are good topics to talk about.
17:03:08 <Behnam> ack: r12a
17:03:16 <mostafa> ... And the sooner we get to writen document the better.
17:04:24 <mostafa> ... We should be aware of covering some layout topics like justification and hyphenation too and get into more details as we see the need for them.
17:05:31 <r12a> q+
17:05:58 <mostafa> Mostafa: All the topics that you mentioned are correct and should be covered, but I guess they belong more to the next section which covers joining.
17:06:46 <Behnam> action: Mostafa to start drafting Arrangement and Joining Behaviour
17:06:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Start drafting arrangement and joining behaviour [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-11-17].
17:06:51 <mostafa> ... The model I had in mind for the character section was the characters sections in jlreq and clreq, which both were very concise and mentioned the general types of characters used and refered to the tables.
17:07:27 <mostafa> Behnam: Right, these belong to the next topic that should cover arrangement and joining behavior.
17:07:49 <mostafa> ... Richard, I agree with you about the importance of topics like elongation and justifications.
17:08:17 <mostafa> ... I think we need terms that cover the joining behavior to talk about those other topics.
17:08:36 <mostafa> ... That’s the reason I’m happy with starting at the lower lever before getting to justifications.
17:09:08 <mostafa> Richard: I understand. I’m just worried about getting caught in the topics that are not that new.
17:09:28 <mostafa> ... Justification and elongation are new for a lot of people and are great topics to cover.
17:09:30 <Behnam> agenda?
17:09:43 <Behnam> q?
17:09:54 <mostafa> q-
17:10:13 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
17:10:18 <mostafa> ... I want to suggest something.
17:10:40 <mostafa> ... I was writing the Tibetan layour requirement.
17:11:39 <Behnam> action: Behnam to update list of Editors
17:11:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Update list of editors [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-17].
17:12:04 <mostafa> ... I thought it was necessary to describe the Tibetan script more that what we did in jlreq and clreq, because it needed its own approach.
17:12:23 <mostafa> ... I’m thinking if we need to take the same unique approach for Arabic.
17:12:42 <mostafa> ... Also, we have to add Mostafa and Najib as editors to the document.
17:13:18 <Behnam> action: Richard to file an issue to restructure our document based on his experience with Tibetan script
17:13:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - File an issue to restructure our document based on his experience with tibetan script [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-17].
17:13:32 <mostafa> Behnam: I see your point. You are kind of suggesting to change the document structure. It would be better if we could have some time to think about it and discuss it with Shervin too.
17:13:35 <Behnam> q?
17:13:37 <Behnam> ack r12a
17:13:43 <mostafa> Richard: I can file an issue for that.
17:14:10 <Behnam> agenda?
17:14:24 <Behnam> Topic: Possibility of rescheduling weekly meetings
17:14:37 <najib> q+
17:14:56 <Behnam> najib, please go ahead
17:15:10 <najib> In general any time is fine for Morocco.
17:15:13 <mostafa> Behnam: The last topic is the possiblity of rescheduling the meetings to another week day, because I got involved in another working group.
17:15:20 <najib> We are GMT
17:15:34 <mostafa> q+
17:15:39 <najib> q-
17:15:43 <Behnam> najib, we have to keep the time as it is. So, I'm just wondering if we can change the day
17:16:00 <najib> Not Thursday
17:16:11 <najib> I18N call
17:16:30 <r12a> q+
17:17:35 <Behnam> ack mostafa
17:18:05 <mostafa> Mostafa: People have to check with their schedules, so could we build a new poll for this like the one we had at the beginning of these meetings?
17:18:37 <Behnam> agenda?
17:18:45 <mostafa> Richard: The only other option for me is Wednesday.
17:19:01 <Behnam> q?
17:19:03 <mostafa> Behnam: Alright, I send an email to the mailing list about it.
17:19:07 <Behnam> ack r12a
17:19:48 <Behnam> Zakim, draft minutes
17:19:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', Behnam
17:19:54 <Behnam> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:19:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/10-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
17:19:57 <mostafa> Goodby Najib.
17:20:14 <najib> bye Mostafa
17:20:15 <Behnam> Thanks, najib
17:20:23 <najib> By
17:20:34 <najib> bye
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