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14:51:01 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:51:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:51:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:51:05 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:51:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:51:06 <trackbot> Date: 05 November 2015
14:51:09 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:51:13 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:51:38 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0000.html
14:52:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:52:35 <aphillip> agenda+ Radar
14:52:45 <aphillip> agenda+ TPAC results
14:52:54 <aphillip> agenda+ Timed Text
14:53:16 <aphillip> agenda+ JSON/plaintext metadata
14:53:30 <aphillip> agenda+ Data on the Web BP
14:53:37 <aphillip> agenda+ encoding
14:53:41 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod
14:59:29 <aphillip> present+ Addison
15:02:17 <r12a> agenda+ bidi in WebVTT
15:02:25 <fsasaki> present+ felix
15:02:26 <aphillip> present+ richard
15:02:34 <aphillip> agenda?
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15:04:26 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:05:32 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:05:38 <aphillip> agenda?
15:06:44 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:06:50 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:07:18 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:08:22 <aphillip> action-358?
15:08:22 <trackbot> action-358 -- Felix Sasaki to Retire requirements for its 2.0 -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
15:08:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/358
15:08:34 <aphillip> just changing status, convert to respec?
15:08:40 <aphillip> need a volunteer?
15:09:38 <aphillip> close action-414
15:09:38 <trackbot> Closed action-414.
15:11:03 <aphillip> close action-474
15:11:03 <trackbot> Closed action-474.
15:11:18 <aphillip> close action-475
15:11:18 <trackbot> Closed action-475.
15:11:53 <aphillip> action-478?
15:11:53 <trackbot> action-478 -- Felix Sasaki to Solicit input from xliff, its, bpmlod about json/plain text i18n metadata -- due 2015-10-22 -- OPEN
15:11:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/478
15:11:58 <aphillip> close action-478
15:11:58 <trackbot> Closed action-478.
15:12:03 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:12:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:13:06 <aphillip> agenda?
15:13:15 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
15:13:26 <aphillip> richard: started updating tibetan layout requirements
15:13:35 <aphillip> ... aim to get to fpwd sooner than later
15:13:38 <aphillip> ... writing in english
15:13:43 <aphillip> ... will translate to chinese
15:13:53 <aphillip> ... taking info from own article
15:14:03 <aphillip> ... may publish once consolidated
15:14:09 <aphillip> ... give people something to look at
15:14:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:28 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:14:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Radar" taken up [from aphillip]
15:14:41 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:16:43 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
15:17:24 <aphillip> Encoding
15:17:29 <aphillip> richard: james from ttwf
15:17:36 <aphillip> ... redesign the tests i was working on
15:17:44 <aphillip> ... sends information via form to another document
15:17:50 <aphillip> ... and tests how encoded
15:17:55 <aphillip> ... working on euc-jp
15:18:04 <aphillip> ... still doesn't work on edge or IE
15:18:10 <aphillip> ... sends in utf-8
15:18:35 <aphillip> addison: because it is in the url?
15:18:43 <aphillip> richard: form sends as a get to an iframe
15:21:45 <aphillip> richard: some movement on making @dir isolating
15:22:09 <aphillip> agenda?
15:22:19 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:22:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC results" taken up [from aphillip]
15:22:30 <aphillip> richard: I have some notes
15:22:40 <aphillip> ... felix may want to add notes
15:22:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:23:01 <aphillip> richard: on monday
15:23:26 <aphillip> ... find-text discussion
15:23:30 <aphillip> ... went through issues
15:23:43 <aphillip> ... not much to report
15:24:35 <aphillip> ... happy with github, hope to set up notifications
15:24:43 <aphillip> richard: went to web platform room
15:24:50 <aphillip> ... three circles of people
15:25:13 <aphillip> richard: after lunch, continued with find-text
15:25:20 <aphillip> ... felix talked about potential collaboration
15:25:40 <aphillip> felix: work close to later agenda item
15:25:49 <aphillip> ... json metadata and such
15:26:58 <aphillip> addison: not clear on the linkage?
15:27:08 <aphillip> felix: annotation model
15:27:36 <aphillip> .. not so much find-text
15:28:25 <aphillip> richard: tuesday, andrew sullivan appeared
15:28:30 <fsasaki> [ slides I presented to the annotation folks during TPAC: see http://www.w3.org/2015/10/its2-and-web-annotation/?full#1 ]
15:28:41 <aphillip> ... david singer
15:28:44 <aphillip> ... long discussion
15:29:18 <aphillip> ... david is going to continue working on his article
15:29:23 <aphillip> ... TLD issues or some such
15:29:27 <aphillip> ... may become IDN issues
15:29:40 <aphillip> ... going to set up a repo in github
15:29:48 <aphillip> ... understands the issues
15:38:02 <aphillip> richard: afternoon cl req
15:38:05 <aphillip> ... discussed status
15:38:25 <aphillip> ... committed to some things, such as the previously mentioned tibetan
15:38:32 <aphillip> ... talked about chinese, working through issues
15:38:37 <aphillip> ... mongolian stuff
15:38:44 <aphillip> ... bobby had a list of issues
15:38:52 <aphillip> ... related to bopomofo tone marks
15:39:04 <aphillip> ... new issues related to generic style sheet font families for chinese
15:39:11 <aphillip> ... concerned about baseline alignment
15:39:22 <aphillip> ... character grid work florian resurrected
15:39:48 <aphillip> ... asked him to document
15:40:47 <aphillip> action: addison: ping bobby about documenting issues raised at tpac
15:40:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-479 - Ping bobby about documenting issues raised at tpac [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-11-12].
15:41:06 <aphillip> richard: TR redesign
15:41:17 <aphillip> ... talked about the things addison and I discussed
15:41:23 <aphillip> richard: thursday
15:41:26 <aphillip> ... encoding spec tests
15:41:31 <aphillip> richard: friday
15:41:58 <aphillip> ... further jl req and cl req dicussion
15:42:06 <aphillip> ... implementers from goog, aapl, etc. present
15:42:16 <aphillip> ... friday pm had webvtt comment review
15:42:26 <aphillip> ... sat down with simon
15:42:34 <aphillip> ... worked through all webvtt comments
15:42:54 <aphillip> ... discussion of bidi, resolved in five minutes ;-)
15:43:08 <aphillip> richard: went to bibliostyle dinner
15:43:21 <aphillip> ... interested in e-books and such
15:43:36 <aphillip> ... use of CSS rather than xsl-fo
15:43:50 <aphillip> agenda?
15:43:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:44:41 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:44:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Timed Text" taken up [from aphillip]
15:45:54 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015OctDec/0052.html
15:46:54 <aphillip> addison: please review charter for next week
15:47:01 <aphillip> agenda?
15:47:23 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:47:24 <Zakim> agendum 8. "bidi in WebVTT" taken up [from r12a]
15:47:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:47:33 <aphillip> richard: discussing best way to do it
15:47:45 <aphillip> ... declarative approach (put base direction at top of doc)
15:47:53 <aphillip> ... then have a way to override
15:48:17 <aphillip> ... problem is that paragraphs or lines hard to see how to apply a different direction
15:48:34 <aphillip> ... only way to do controls
15:48:44 <aphillip> richard: use first strong heuristics
15:48:59 <aphillip> ... what confused about is how would work for paras inside a cue
15:49:07 <aphillip> ... only look at first character
15:49:19 <aphillip> ... spec wasn't clear about what happens
15:49:26 <aphillip> ... two ways to determine base direction
15:49:31 <aphillip> ... one for cue itself
15:49:36 <aphillip> ... suc has text-align start
15:49:45 <aphillip> ... other is on a paragraph basis
15:50:01 <aphillip> ... use first character to dtermine direction of cue as a box
15:50:07 <aphillip> ... not clear in spec or not said
15:50:16 <aphillip> ... use first char of each line/para to determine direction
15:53:40 <aphillip> agenda?
15:53:55 <aphillip> richard: also going to make short summaries
15:54:11 <aphillip> ... additional examples so you can get an idea of webvtt is like
15:54:16 <aphillip> ... and some other things
15:54:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:33 <aphillip> richard: adding railroad diagrams
15:55:13 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:55:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Data on the Web BP" taken up [from aphillip]
15:55:29 <fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015OctDec/0046.html
15:55:30 <aphillip> felix: reviewing data on the web bp
15:55:36 <aphillip> ... see email above
15:55:51 <aphillip> ... far from defining technology
15:56:05 <aphillip> ... used to define requirements for people to produce or consume data on the Web
15:56:11 <aphillip> ... not specific to a format
15:56:25 <aphillip> ... context is used for produrement
15:56:37 <aphillip> ... used to define input for procurement
15:56:47 <aphillip> ... have more prominent mention of language related issues
15:57:02 <aphillip> ... needs metadata
15:57:27 <aphillip> ... locale (date, time, etc.)
15:57:33 <aphillip> ... metadata in multiple languages
15:57:48 <aphillip> ... some opportunity to mention multilingual metadata
15:57:59 <aphillip> ... sometimes too labor intensive to publish
15:58:17 <aphillip> ... enhancement of data/enrichment
15:58:34 <aphillip> ... *very* high level comments
16:00:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:00:15 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
16:00:23 <aphillip> richard: review the review instructions
16:00:34 <aphillip> agenda?
16:00:48 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:00:52 <aphillip> richard: on webvtt
16:00:56 <aphillip> ... need to start closing
16:01:19 <aphillip> ... need to ensure comments point to the right places
16:01:29 <aphillip> ... will ping you (addison) to see if we agree
16:01:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:20:32 <aphillip> zakim, byye
16:20:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'byye', aphillip
16:20:35 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:20:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, felix, richard, JcK
16:20:35 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:20:46 <r12a> rrsagent, bye
16:20:46 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:20:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping bobby about documenting issues raised at tpac [1]
16:20:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-i18n-irc#T15-40-47