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13:57:04 <tzviya> trackbot, start telcon
13:57:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:57:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
13:57:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:57:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
13:57:09 <trackbot> Date: 05 November 2015
13:57:19 <tzviya> topic: DPUB-ARIA telcom
13:57:23 <tzviya> chair: tzviya
13:57:37 <tzviya> present+ TzviyaSiegman
13:59:04 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2015Nov/0000.html
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14:03:42 <tzviya> present+ Janina
14:04:00 <tzviya> present+ MarkusGylling
14:06:01 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2015Nov/0000.html
14:07:36 <tzviya> tzviya: general agreement at TPAC was to publish 2PWD now, even if not perfect
14:08:53 <tzviya> ...hot topic was *ref. Proposed solutions (rel and proposed terms from COGA) were essentially were shot down
14:09:18 <tzviya> Janina: COGA is in the distant future
14:10:13 <tzviya> Tzviya: rel had issues related to triples that were hall talk related to triple
14:10:40 <tzviya> Janina: recommend marking specific rels with "do not use" flags (refs)
14:11:36 <tzviya> Markus: Remind us why proposed role is considered controversial
14:12:48 <tzviya> Michael: link has role="link", and implementations may not recognize that the new roles are subclasses, just as separate roles
14:13:55 <tzviya> tzviya: from DPUB perspective, next steps are removing text indicating not to use the roles, and add flags to ref roles
14:14:26 <tzviya> michael: boiler plate WIP text should remain
14:15:30 <tzviya> Tzviya: still need to do FPWD of DPUB AAM and then add code samples for 3PWD
14:16:03 <tzviya> michael: targeting week of 16 Nov
14:18:25 <tzviya> <discussion about shift from PF to ARIA WG and how this affects CFC and call for exclusions>
14:19:44 <mgylling> q+
14:20:01 <tzviya> ack mg
14:20:31 <tzviya> topic: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adpub
14:24:59 <tzviya> rich: add note to draft that will add code samples
14:26:15 <tzviya> rich: DPUB AAM needs to be reviewed by ARIA WG as well
14:27:22 <tzviya> present+ Rich
14:27:59 <tzviya> michael: aim for first week of december for DPUB AAM FPWD
14:29:40 <tzviya> rich: DPUB feedback about AAM next week
14:34:17 <tzviya> michael: when we publish, we do an announcment. Sometimes we combine announcments. Should we do 7 at once or announce in groups?
14:34:28 <tzviya> rich: separate FPWDs?
14:35:26 <tzviya> Michael: Does DPUB want a separate announcement?
14:35:39 <tzviya> tzviya: yes, it would be good for publicity for DPUB
14:37:34 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
14:38:03 <tzviya> topic: extended descriptions
14:38:22 <tzviya> Janina: where is guidance going to come from?
14:38:58 <tzviya> ...if we settle on <details>, where does decision get documented?
14:40:17 <tzviya> RIch: I don't know, but it does look like it will move forward. They are almost done. Don't need src because can include an <iframe>
14:41:18 <tzviya> Janina: It is clear that web components is further behind on implementation support than details
14:42:08 <tzviya> ...web components has strong plus that don't need AT to support, but require media queries or something
14:42:30 <tzviya> markus: comes back to question of where this is defined
14:42:47 <tzviya> janina: this will lead to removing from ARIA
14:44:22 <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps this should be sample code in HTML spec (among all the other code samples) and then pointed to from a11y best practices documentation
14:44:35 <tzviya> markus: would it be helpful is this were a note?
14:44:56 <tzviya> Janina: may not need full note, but at least sample code
14:45:18 <tzviya> tzviya: who has samples?
14:45:44 <tzviya> markus: we will discuss in broader context on DPUB IG call
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14:46:49 <tzviya> tzviya: Janina will coordinate next steps in APA, markus and tzviya will bring to DPUB
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14:47:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/05-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya
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